Global warming

rgambs · October 2016

Free said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:
Smokey the Bear has an equal chance of winning the Oval Office as Stein does.

The real comparison that matters is Clinton vs Trump.

Overall, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell against climate change, humanity is
On the loose, it's a truck
All the rolling hills, it'll flatten 'em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
Smokey the Bear, haha! Another false entity brought to you by the USFS.

The thing is RG, I know you of all people don't have that cynical attitude of "we're all screwed anyway so eff it". No, we will not stop climate change at this point but we can slow it down and why not try! The thing is, we already know Clinton is going to win. Trump is making sure of that. So why not send a message to HRC saying, "Yeah, OK, you win but a lot of us know what your up to and we know you don't really care jack about the environment". That's the message I'm sending by voting for Stein.

Gambs, you may be in a swing state so I can kind of see why you might be pushing for HRC but if you really care about the environment (and I think you do), please don't fool yourself or try to fool anyone else that Clinton is going to make any positive difference on environment. She's not. She is status quo and status quo ain't gonna cut it.
You're right Brian. And those like rgambs who think that HRC is going to save the day will eventually just prove that she flip flops so much on environmental issues, because she has the fossil fuel industries lining her back pocket while claiming to the public that she's all for environmental progress, that her true interests at with those who line her pockets. She has said she has a public and private identity in the emails. She only really votes for those throwing big money at her. Anyone thinking otherwise is the fool.

Never said that, never thought it.

brianlux · October 2016

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

Free said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:
Smokey the Bear has an equal chance of winning the Oval Office as Stein does.

The real comparison that matters is Clinton vs Trump.

Overall, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell against climate change, humanity is
On the loose, it's a truck
All the rolling hills, it'll flatten 'em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
Smokey the Bear, haha! Another false entity brought to you by the USFS.

The thing is RG, I know you of all people don't have that cynical attitude of "we're all screwed anyway so eff it". No, we will not stop climate change at this point but we can slow it down and why not try! The thing is, we already know Clinton is going to win. Trump is making sure of that. So why not send a message to HRC saying, "Yeah, OK, you win but a lot of us know what your up to and we know you don't really care jack about the environment". That's the message I'm sending by voting for Stein.

Gambs, you may be in a swing state so I can kind of see why you might be pushing for HRC but if you really care about the environment (and I think you do), please don't fool yourself or try to fool anyone else that Clinton is going to make any positive difference on environment. She's not. She is status quo and status quo ain't gonna cut it.
You're right Brian. And those like rgambs who think that HRC is going to save the day will eventually just prove that she flip flops so much on environmental issues, because she has the fossil fuel industries lining her back pocket while claiming to the public that she's all for environmental progress, that her true interests at with those who line her pockets. She has said she has a public and private identity in the emails. She only really votes for those throwing big money at her. Anyone thinking otherwise is the fool.
Exactly, Free! Hillary will do her best to convince the public she is pro-environment as long as it puts something in her own pocket or cap. We certainly don't need phony environmentalism this late in the game.
rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:
Smokey the Bear has an equal chance of winning the Oval Office as Stein does.

The real comparison that matters is Clinton vs Trump.

Overall, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell against climate change, humanity is
On the loose, it's a truck
All the rolling hills, it'll flatten 'em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
Smokey the Bear, haha! Another false entity brought to you by the USFS.

The thing is RG, I know you of all people don't have that cynical attitude of "we're all screwed anyway so eff it". No, we will not stop climate change at this point but we can slow it down and why not try! The thing is, we already know Clinton is going to win. Trump is making sure of that. So why not send a message to HRC saying, "Yeah, OK, you win but a lot of us know what your up to and we know you don't really care jack about the environment". That's the message I'm sending by voting for Stein.

Gambs, you may be in a swing state so I can kind of see why you might be pushing for HRC but if you really care about the environment (and I think you do), please don't fool yourself or try to fool anyone else that Clinton is going to make any positive difference on environment. She's not. She is status quo and status quo ain't gonna cut it.
Living in rural Ohio, I will never be able to take an election lightly.
2 miles from my house is a full sheet of plywood in someone's yard painted to say:

Trump
I'm A
Deplorable

Trump signs are more numerous than teeth around here and as Ohio goes, so goes the election.

As far as the environment, I am mostly without hope. We need a polar shift in human ambition and I just don't see it happening. We can only mitigate unless there is some massive catastrophy that changes things.
I'm not going to accept "there is no hope" from anyone because by my definition hope is doing what makes sense no matter what the outcome. If someone is not willing to keep doing their best to make a difference, then why would they even bother talking about it? That just gets in the way. If someone wants a better world, they would do well to keep trying to make it better and not bring everyone else down by saying "we're screwed". And believe me, if I were to be bluntly honest, I would say that may well be but I have several grand kids, nieces and nephews that are going to get stuck with the shit we are causing and I'm not going to leave them hanging out to die if I can at all help it. I can't do much but what I can do, I will. I hope you do too. We are the human ambition you speak of, Gambs. You and me. Is that all there is? Then we best get busy!
Under that definition of hope, I would agree that hope abounds.
I have hope, and it grows every year!

Excellent!

rgambs · October 2016

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

Free said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:
Smokey the Bear has an equal chance of winning the Oval Office as Stein does.

The real comparison that matters is Clinton vs Trump.

Overall, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell against climate change, humanity is
On the loose, it's a truck
All the rolling hills, it'll flatten 'em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
Smokey the Bear, haha! Another false entity brought to you by the USFS.

The thing is RG, I know you of all people don't have that cynical attitude of "we're all screwed anyway so eff it". No, we will not stop climate change at this point but we can slow it down and why not try! The thing is, we already know Clinton is going to win. Trump is making sure of that. So why not send a message to HRC saying, "Yeah, OK, you win but a lot of us know what your up to and we know you don't really care jack about the environment". That's the message I'm sending by voting for Stein.

Gambs, you may be in a swing state so I can kind of see why you might be pushing for HRC but if you really care about the environment (and I think you do), please don't fool yourself or try to fool anyone else that Clinton is going to make any positive difference on environment. She's not. She is status quo and status quo ain't gonna cut it.
You're right Brian. And those like rgambs who think that HRC is going to save the day will eventually just prove that she flip flops so much on environmental issues, because she has the fossil fuel industries lining her back pocket while claiming to the public that she's all for environmental progress, that her true interests at with those who line her pockets. She has said she has a public and private identity in the emails. She only really votes for those throwing big money at her. Anyone thinking otherwise is the fool.
Exactly, Free! Hillary will do her best to convince the public she is pro-environment as long as it puts something in her own pocket or cap. We certainly don't need phony environmentalism this late in the game.
rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:
Smokey the Bear has an equal chance of winning the Oval Office as Stein does.

The real comparison that matters is Clinton vs Trump.

Overall, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell against climate change, humanity is
On the loose, it's a truck
All the rolling hills, it'll flatten 'em out, yeah
It's herd behavior, uh huh
Smokey the Bear, haha! Another false entity brought to you by the USFS.

The thing is RG, I know you of all people don't have that cynical attitude of "we're all screwed anyway so eff it". No, we will not stop climate change at this point but we can slow it down and why not try! The thing is, we already know Clinton is going to win. Trump is making sure of that. So why not send a message to HRC saying, "Yeah, OK, you win but a lot of us know what your up to and we know you don't really care jack about the environment". That's the message I'm sending by voting for Stein.

Gambs, you may be in a swing state so I can kind of see why you might be pushing for HRC but if you really care about the environment (and I think you do), please don't fool yourself or try to fool anyone else that Clinton is going to make any positive difference on environment. She's not. She is status quo and status quo ain't gonna cut it.
Living in rural Ohio, I will never be able to take an election lightly.
2 miles from my house is a full sheet of plywood in someone's yard painted to say:

Trump
I'm A
Deplorable

Trump signs are more numerous than teeth around here and as Ohio goes, so goes the election.

As far as the environment, I am mostly without hope. We need a polar shift in human ambition and I just don't see it happening. We can only mitigate unless there is some massive catastrophy that changes things.
I'm not going to accept "there is no hope" from anyone because by my definition hope is doing what makes sense no matter what the outcome. If someone is not willing to keep doing their best to make a difference, then why would they even bother talking about it? That just gets in the way. If someone wants a better world, they would do well to keep trying to make it better and not bring everyone else down by saying "we're screwed". And believe me, if I were to be bluntly honest, I would say that may well be but I have several grand kids, nieces and nephews that are going to get stuck with the shit we are causing and I'm not going to leave them hanging out to die if I can at all help it. I can't do much but what I can do, I will. I hope you do too. We are the human ambition you speak of, Gambs. You and me. Is that all there is? Then we best get busy!
Under that definition of hope, I would agree that hope abounds.
I have hope, and it grows every year!
Excellent!

I do what I can and try to shame my peers into doing more lol

For instance, my brother-in-law is a big fan of apples according to himself. He only eats the worst apple known to man "Red Delicious" so I say he doesn't know shit about real apples!
Anyways, Becca and I were headed to the local orchard 10 miles down the road to buy some cider, Fujis and Winesaps (which arent ready yet, they are the best though!) so I asked him if he wanted a half peck. "No, I just bought some at the (big box) grocery store" I look in his fridge, they are from fucking New Zealand and they are shit, even for red delicious. He's a friggin idiot about stuff like that, if I told him to buy local he would buy apples that had been shipped 3000 miles across the world just to spite hippies like me. So I am buying him 2 pecks and dropping the fuckers on his table so he won't have a choice.

rgambs · October 2016

They are also $5 a half peck at the orchard, and $1 an apple at the grocery store, which comes to about $11 or $12 a half peck at the store.

brianlux · October 2016

rgambs said:
They are also $5 a half peck at the orchard, and $1 an apple at the grocery store, which comes to about $11 or $12 a half peck at the store.

I can see where this is going- one of those confounding word math problems!

Free · October 2016

Yellow delicious are great for making pies, don't knock the red, to each his own for eating choice, but I I do agree about buying local very much so.

JWPearl · October 2016

ruin the earth we want more of this in the future (not)

rgambs · October 2016

Free said:
Yellow delicious are great for making pies, don't knock the red, to each his own for eating choice, but I I do agree about buying local very much so.

Yellow delicious is okay if you like soft apples, I like a hard bite.
Red Delicious is widely known as the worst. It was genetically selected for looks, and the thick, bitter skin and mealy, but beautifully white flesh is the result.

Google something like "Red Delicious is the worst" and you find dozens of foody articles decrying the poor taste of the average American apple eater lol

polaris_x · November 2016

just watched years of living dangerously (letterman's doc) and before the flood (dicaprio's doc) and it's abundantly clear that it all starts and ends with americans ...

and that means ultimately failure ... a country full of people who think they are living like kings and that everything is great ... a country which is controlled by corporations and people don't even realize it ... people who think that america is the greatest country in the world ...

and yeah - i know ... i'm gonna get the same reaction ... either crickets or people who are gonna get all defensive and attack but the facts are there for everyone to see ... it only takes someone who thinks with their brain instead of with a flag or anthem ...

Free · November 2016

polaris_x said:
just watched years of living dangerously (letterman's doc) and before the flood (dicaprio's doc) and it's abundantly clear that it all starts and ends with americans ...

and that means ultimately failure ... a country full of people who think they are living like kings and that everything is great ... a country which is controlled by corporations and people don't even realize it ... people who think that america is the greatest country in the world ...

and yeah - i know ... i'm gonna get the same reaction ... either crickets or people who are gonna get all defensive and attack but the facts are there for everyone to see ... it only takes someone who thinks with their brain instead of with a flag or anthem ...

polaris_x said:
just watchhed years of living dangerously (letterman's doc) and before the flood (dicaprio's doc) and it's abundantly clear that it all starts and ends with americans ...

and that means ultimately failure ... a country full of people who think they are living like kings and that everything is great ... a country which is controlled by corporations and people don't even realize it ... people who think that america is the greatest country in the world ...

and yeah - i know ... i'm gonna get the same reaction ... either crickets or people who are gonna get all defensive and attack but the facts are there for everyone to see ... it only takes someone who thinks with their brain instead of with a flag or anthem ...

This is one American that 100% agrees.

brianlux · November 2016

^^^ Same here. Other countries are responsible as well be the U.S. is where the most consumption thus greatest impact on environment starts. Doesn't give places like China a pass but the change--- or the collapse--- starts here.

Free · November 2016

http://www.rdmag.com/article/2016/11/trump-advisor-wants-nasa-climate-change-research-cut

Trump Advisor Wants NASA Climate Change Research Cut

brianlux · July 2017

We've been hearing a lot about the extreme heat in Phoenix, AZ lately. One report on another forum from a Phoenix resident was particularly disturbing. It's BAD!

But not only that, I've been reading about other concerns for excessive heat and we experienced a lot of unusual heat here in the Sierra Foothills throughout June. We hit 108 a few times and our hot days normally start in July and go through September so this is concerning. I think it's time we take an honest look at what is happening with global temperatures and see if we can do our own part to lower our carbon output.

unsung · July 2017

OP should revise his title, the agenda has a revised title of "Climate Change".

rgambs · July 2017

unsung said:

OP should revise his title, the agenda has a revised title of "Climate Change".

Not everyone agrees with that and the two are not wholly interchangeable.

brianlux · July 2017

unsung said:

OP should revise his title, the agenda has a revised title of "Climate Change".

Call it what you may, it's still planet earth getting warmer.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · July 2017

So w/ out googling can anyone present a fact that we can reverse the human damage done to our planet? I continue to bask in the sun on the beach wishing it was just a little warmer but no too much.

brianlux · July 2017

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

So w/ out googling can anyone present a fact that we can reverse the human damage done to our planet? I continue to bask in the sun on the beach wishing it was just a little warmer but no too much.

Easy: Cover the continents with aluminum foil.

And PJF, don't forget the sunscreen... unless you like the idea of having your face carved. I get my first two carcinomas (two flavors!) carved out later this month. Woopee!

RYME · July 2017

What is the ideal average temperature for the Earth? For the sake of argument I'll agree that, it's getting to warm now, and during last ice age it was obviously to damn cold. What is the optimal global temperature we should all be striving for?
So that the polar bears are happy, the penguins are happy, and everything in between.

eddiec · July 2017

RYME said:

What is the ideal average temperature for the Earth? For the sake of argument I'll agree that, it's getting to warm now, and during last ice age it was obviously to damn cold. What is the optimal global temperature we should all be striving for?
So that the polar bears are happy, the penguins are happy, and everything in between.

I would say there is no ideal temperature- the earth is a constantly changing entity. However, these changes occur over thousands if not millions of years- except in the cases of catastrophic events.

Global warming

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