THE DEBATES 2016

^^^ That's fucked up. Although Stein wasn't arrested. She was just escorted off the property.

JC29856 said:

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/13179

What are the DNC and RNC afraid of?

well ... this was from the previous election ...

in any case ... as long as the general public continue to buy into this farce ... it'll be business as usual ...

cottagesteeze said:

seanwon said:

Wow, people are trying to claim Trump won that debate? Utterly hilarious. Even my Conservative friends have told me today Trump looked bad and it was obvious Hillary was getting under his skin and had won. Not quite sure what some of you were watching.

This.

Apparently trump supporters are hitting the on-line surveys, where you can vote more than once. smh
"The key difference is the kind of poll the candidates are citing. Trump is going on unscientific online polls, which don’t have any controls to make sure they are actually representative of American voters. Clinton’s claim relies on more rigorous scientific polls — those like CNN’s — that apply controls to try to be representative of US voters."
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13072668/debate-trump-clinton-polls

oceaninmyeyes said:

cottagesteeze said:

seanwon said:

Wow, people are trying to claim Trump won that debate? Utterly hilarious. Even my Conservative friends have told me today Trump looked bad and it was obvious Hillary was getting under his skin and had won. Not quite sure what some of you were watching.

This.

Apparently trump supporters are hitting the on-line surveys, where you can vote more than once. smh
"The key difference is the kind of poll the candidates are citing. Trump is going on unscientific online polls, which don’t have any controls to make sure they are actually representative of American voters. Clinton’s claim relies on more rigorous scientific polls — those like CNN’s — that apply controls to try to be representative of US voters."
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13072668/debate-trump-clinton-polls

He didn't move the chains like he needed to. If you love Trump you loved his "performance"...if you thought he was an idiot before the debate you got what you expected.

There is no way that an intelligent disinterested person could watch that debate and think that Trump was the better candidate. No fucking way.

Godfather. said:

LOL !!!! I didn't watch it because I know who I'm voting for anyway but I did see highlights and comments on the interweb....
your gal Hillary bot her ass handed to her.

Godfather.

You're clueless if you think she got beat your boy looked like the fool that he is and fools will vote for him !!

Jason P said:

They should have a panel of celebrity judges live scoring the next debate. It only makes sense at this point.

And a pre-debate weigh in, stare down and tale of the tape.

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

Wait a minute, that article is dated 2012 and happened during the Obama Romney debate. Regardless it's still wrong.

Well she was escorted off the property last night. Though I'm wondering why. It's terrible that all the candidates can't participate in the debates no matter what, but are they formally barred from attending the debates too? Or was Stein escorted away only because she was a part of the protest about not being able to participate? Could she have attended as a guest if she'd wanted to?

Is it though? Should Vermin Supreme get to take the stage? Stein is a more serious candidate, but she doesn't have any greater chance of winning.
Total democracy is total chaos, the GOP primary debates showed that when there are so many extraneous people trying to debate we end up with little sense of the capabilities of any of them.
Policies can be found online, we watch the debates to see how well a candidate thinks and performs under pressure, we couldn't get much sense of that with Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Roseanne Barr, Vermin Supreme and everyone else who will never be president up on the stage.

I think any leader of a political party that will be on the ballot in November should have an opportunity to debate. Their chances of winning are irrelevant. Their views and ideas deserve to be represented where the country can actually hear them, and where they can be debated. They may have something valuable to contribute to the overall discussion, whether they can win or not. But also, one must assume that, however improbable, that a presidential candidate could come to a debate and do so well that they manage to get a huge number of people to change their minds and vote for them.

When your own party's standard bearers make the comments they made post debate and did nothing to stop your rise to the nomination, clearly you lost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/09/27/daily-202-why-even-republicans-think-clinton-won-the-first-debate/57e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a focus group of undecided voters in Pennsylvania. Sixteen said Hillary Clinton won. Five picked Trump, per CBS News.

Trump’s surrogates in the spin room were downbeat, and the candidate himself has already begun making excuses: “They gave me a defective mic,” he complained to reporters during a gaggle. “Did you notice that? My mic was defective within the room. I wonder, was that on purpose?” There was no clear problem with his microphone during the debate, Jose DelReal notes.

Trump was supposed to stop by the Nassau County Republican Committee’s watch party on his way home. He skipped it. Clinton, meanwhile, celebrated with hundreds of supporters in Westbury.

And Rudy Giuliani, a top Trump surrogate, even suggested that Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets concessions. “If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” he said.

But Trump’s lack of preparation showed. There were too many missed opportunities to count.

“I'm not positive Hillary actually won the debate. But I'm sure Trump lost it. He choked,” writes Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol.

“Even if you are a Trump supporter, you have to think that he left a lot on the table,” writes GOP supper lobbyist Ed Rogers, a veteran of the Reagan and Bush 41 White Houses. “He didn’t see the openings and he didn’t swing at the softballs that came his way. He never used the word ‘change,’ he didn’t bore in on Hillary’s email scandal and he never got around to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s suspect integrity. Trump was inarticulate and rarely hit the bull’s eye.”

“He was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined,” writes New York Post conservative columnist John Podhoretz. “He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes. Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. By the end … Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.”

“After the first 20 minutes, it may have been the most lopsided debate I’ve ever seen — and not because Clinton was particularly effective. But you don’t need to be good when your opponent is bad,” writes National Review’s David French, who considered running for president as an independent. “Why didn’t he have a better answer ready for the birther nonsense? Has he still not done any homework on foreign policy? I felt like I was watching the political Titanic hit the iceberg, back up, and hit it again. Just for fun.”


Trump needed to conceal his temper … and appear ready to be president. He didn’t,” writes conservative blogger Jennifer Rubin. “There were too many instances in which the real Donald showed through. Clinton wasn’t emotive, but she was cool and efficient in drawing blood.”

“If her goal was to get under Trump’s skin — you know, sniff out his weakness, and bait him into losing his temper — it worked,” adds conservative columnist Matt Lewis. “She got under that thin skin by talking about his inherited wealth and questionable status as a billionaire.”




Trump asks Americans to 'call Sean Hannity' to verify his Iraq War position
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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump insisted at the first presidential debate on Sept. 26 that he was never in favor of the Iraq War. (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)

-- Trump played to his base. He did nothing to win over fresh converts or reassure recalcitrant Republicans. Sean Hannity’s audience is not who he needs to win over.

“Unpersuaded college educated white women didn’t come away from this debate — at least not in large numbers — feeling reassured by Trump,” conservative Jonah Goldberg writes in National Review. “Clinton was narrowcasting at the voters she needs. Trump was broadcasting to the voters he already has. … If you’re truly pro-Hillary or pro-Trump it doesn’t matter what you thought tonight. Your vote is baked in. But if you’re on the fence or thinking about not voting at all, your impression matters — a lot. And in this regard, I think Clinton was the winner.”

And there's a whole lot more skewering in the link.

I'm shocked I haven't come across a video montage soundtracked by ol' Jim "JR" Ross.

I have the best temperament

BAH GOD!!! HE KILLED HIM!!!

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Hillary won in a number of ways last night.

For one, she won the debate by any measure. More prepared, more substance, more presidential, etc. Trump probably played well to his base but in no way did he attract any new voters.

Second, she clearly got under his skin, and was very civil in doing so. He tried to stay respectful but she needled him until he lost it, didn't take long. He then went on the offensive after and all day today. There is absolutely no way he keeps it together and doesn't completely lose his mind over the next two debates.

When he babbled about how he wanted to say just horrible, awful, hurtful things to her, but then patted himself on the back for resisting, I laughed pretty hard. I think he honestly thought that was a feather in his cap!