A "protester" shot another "protester"... can we please stop calling them "Protesters"?

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

Maybe its time to switch to powder then?

I have a hard time believing some white people sat around thinking "how can we keep the blacks down some more? I got it, don't they use powder cocaine more? There's the answer then, make stiffer punishments for using crack, that'll solve it!"

Within 2 minutes of a google search I found multiple sources that discuss the difference between powder and crack, all saying how much more dangerous and addictive crack is vs powder. That seems to me like a much more likely reason to offer stiffer punishments than based on who uses it. And in fact they are not the same from what I read.

"Smoked cocaine, or crack cocaine, takes about 20 seconds to reach the brain, and its effects last for about 30 minutes. According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine, there is a greater propensity for dependence when cocaine is smoked rather than snorted. The immediacy, duration, and magnitude of the effects of crack contribute to this fact."

http://cocaine.org/the-difference-between-powder-cocaine-and-crack-cocaine/

And you are also willing to ignore the fact that blacks have more repeat offenders (a fact I've seen used to explain why our judicial system is racist by the way, claiming those repeat offender laws were made to keep black people down too. Similar to your claim, which just doesn't seem logical to me) and the fact that more blacks are in poverty and therefore rely on public defenders more and as a result get bad representation. It comes down to the crack vs powder law?

Hahaha apparently you have a very weak imagination.
Do you also have a hard time imagining that white people would develop a set of laws and practices that would keep black people subordinated for generations, or have you heard of Jim Crow in your travels through life?

Jim crow was beat more than 40 years ago. are we still thinking jim crow has a direct impact on people's lives today?
I mean I'm irish and my ancestors were treated like dog shit in the usa for a long time. can I still use this as an excuse if something doesn't go my way?

Would have been my reply if I read it sooner. No one will deny for a very long time blacks were treated very unfairly in this country, and that's putting it politely. I haven't looked it up but I'm guessing drug laws on crack were made much more recently than that.

I just have to ask myself which seems more plausible? Crack laws were written to keep blacks down, or because it's more dangerous and addictive? I would have the latter.

I very easily found several sources that stated crack was worse. Even if that research is wrong, wouldn't the one thing everyone could agree on on every thread is that the government tends to make decisions on misinformation?

eddiec said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

Maybe its time to switch to powder then?

I have a hard time believing some white people sat around thinking "how can we keep the blacks down some more? I got it, don't they use powder cocaine more? There's the answer then, make stiffer punishments for using crack, that'll solve it!"

Within 2 minutes of a google search I found multiple sources that discuss the difference between powder and crack, all saying how much more dangerous and addictive crack is vs powder. That seems to me like a much more likely reason to offer stiffer punishments than based on who uses it. And in fact they are not the same from what I read.

"Smoked cocaine, or crack cocaine, takes about 20 seconds to reach the brain, and its effects last for about 30 minutes. According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine, there is a greater propensity for dependence when cocaine is smoked rather than snorted. The immediacy, duration, and magnitude of the effects of crack contribute to this fact."

http://cocaine.org/the-difference-between-powder-cocaine-and-crack-cocaine/

And you are also willing to ignore the fact that blacks have more repeat offenders (a fact I've seen used to explain why our judicial system is racist by the way, claiming those repeat offender laws were made to keep black people down too. Similar to your claim, which just doesn't seem logical to me) and the fact that more blacks are in poverty and therefore rely on public defenders more and as a result get bad representation. It comes down to the crack vs powder law?

Hahaha apparently you have a very weak imagination.
Do you also have a hard time imagining that white people would develop a set of laws and practices that would keep black people subordinated for generations, or have you heard of Jim Crow in your travels through life?

Jim crow was beat more than 40 years ago. are we still thinking jim crow has a direct impact on people's lives today?
I mean I'm irish and my ancestors were treated like dog shit in the usa for a long time. can I still use this as an excuse if something doesn't go my way?

Would have been my reply if I read it sooner. No one will deny for a very long time blacks were treated very unfairly in this country, and that's putting it politely. I haven't looked it up but I'm guessing drug laws on crack were made much more recently than that.

I just have to ask myself which seems more plausible? Crack laws were written to keep blacks down, or because it's more dangerous and addictive? I would have the latter.

I very easily found several sources that stated crack was worse. Even if that research is wrong, wouldn't the one thing everyone could agree on on every thread is that the government tends to make decisions on misinformation?

Crack is much, much cheaper than cocaine and worked its way into the poorer areas of our society. Cocaine is, and always has been, primarily a wealthy white man's drug.
Do the math. Who gets the harsher sentence? The white accountant who gets pulled over for speeding and a bag of cocaine is discovered or the black guy from the projects caught with a bunch of crack?

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

Whites have been given handouts and shortcuts.

You re saying blacks have not?

I'm suggesting stickman is thinking hard working whites haven't been given something.

Well I can honestly look in the mirror and say my wife and I have never seen any sort of white privelage. We both work our asses off to afford what we have.

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

Whites have been given handouts and shortcuts.

You re saying blacks have not?

I'm suggesting stickman is thinking hard working whites haven't been given something.

Well I can honestly look in the mirror and say my wife and I have never seen any sort of white privelage. We both work our asses off to afford what we have.

You still don't seem to understand what white priviledge is.

I guess I don't.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

Whites have been given handouts and shortcuts.

You re saying blacks have not?

I'm suggesting stickman is thinking hard working whites haven't been given something.

Well I can honestly look in the mirror and say my wife and I have never seen any sort of white privelage. We both work our asses off to afford what we have.

You still don't seem to understand what white priviledge is.

I guess I don't.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Sorry del. This definition goes way above my intellectual level.