A "protester" shot another "protester"... can we please stop calling them "Protesters"?

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Many of you don't seem to really know what white priviledge means. It actually has nothing to do with how you were raised. It has to do with the opportunity a white person has and the kind of treatment they are subject to compared to a black person when all other things are equal... or when the cops or justice system are involved. We're not really talking about some rich white kid vs some black kid from the projects or vice versa.

But it's a complicated issue. Here are some interesting links for anyone who actually wants to understand what white priviledge is really about (and why it's not about white guilt). I think I already posted the first one in another thread, but it's a pretty good editorial for explaining white priviledge to white people IMO. Second link is a video that is food for thought


http://occupywallstreet.net/story/explaining-white-privilege-broke-white-person

http://matthewcooke.com/2015/08/20/racebaiting-101/

Based on your definition, "the opportunity a white person has and the kind of treatment they are subject to compared to a black person when all other things are equal" I'd have to say white privilege does not exist. I see countless examples of people being given equal opportunities in education, work, etc. in fact, who doesn't see far more examples of the opposite? Scholarships are available exclusively for minoroties (I have never seen a single scholarship available to only whites) the work force will hire and promote minorities at a higher rate than whites and that is pretty well established and acknowledged by many companies.
The difference is in the starting place, but that is specifically excluded in your definition. More blacks start in poverty than whites, which lead to higher crime stats.
Higher sentences can also be explained. You have to either believe that the majority of judges are racist, or that stiffer sentencing is caused by one of two other factors, being 1) better representation and 2) the increase crime rate for blacks means an increase I multiple offenses which will contribute to longer sentences.

mace1229 said:

Maybe its time to switch to powder then?

I have a hard time believing some white people sat around thinking "how can we keep the blacks down some more? I got it, don't they use powder cocaine more? There's the answer then, make stiffer punishments for using crack, that'll solve it!"

Within 2 minutes of a google search I found multiple sources that discuss the difference between powder and crack, all saying how much more dangerous and addictive crack is vs powder. That seems to me like a much more likely reason to offer stiffer punishments than based on who uses it. And in fact they are not the same from what I read.

"Smoked cocaine, or crack cocaine, takes about 20 seconds to reach the brain, and its effects last for about 30 minutes. According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine, there is a greater propensity for dependence when cocaine is smoked rather than snorted. The immediacy, duration, and magnitude of the effects of crack contribute to this fact."

http://cocaine.org/the-difference-between-powder-cocaine-and-crack-cocaine/

And you are also willing to ignore the fact that blacks have more repeat offenders (a fact I've seen used to explain why our judicial system is racist by the way, claiming those repeat offender laws were made to keep black people down too. Similar to your claim, which just doesn't seem logical to me) and the fact that more blacks are in poverty and therefore rely on public defenders more and as a result get bad representation. It comes down to the crack vs powder law?

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

Maybe its time to switch to powder then?

I have a hard time believing some white people sat around thinking "how can we keep the blacks down some more? I got it, don't they use powder cocaine more? There's the answer then, make stiffer punishments for using crack, that'll solve it!"

Within 2 minutes of a google search I found multiple sources that discuss the difference between powder and crack, all saying how much more dangerous and addictive crack is vs powder. That seems to me like a much more likely reason to offer stiffer punishments than based on who uses it. And in fact they are not the same from what I read.

"Smoked cocaine, or crack cocaine, takes about 20 seconds to reach the brain, and its effects last for about 30 minutes. According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine, there is a greater propensity for dependence when cocaine is smoked rather than snorted. The immediacy, duration, and magnitude of the effects of crack contribute to this fact."

http://cocaine.org/the-difference-between-powder-cocaine-and-crack-cocaine/

And you are also willing to ignore the fact that blacks have more repeat offenders (a fact I've seen used to explain why our judicial system is racist by the way, claiming those repeat offender laws were made to keep black people down too. Similar to your claim, which just doesn't seem logical to me) and the fact that more blacks are in poverty and therefore rely on public defenders more and as a result get bad representation. It comes down to the crack vs powder law?

Hahaha apparently you have a very weak imagination.
Do you also have a hard time imagining that white people would develop a set of laws and practices that would keep black people subordinated for generations, or have you heard of Jim Crow in your travels through life?

Jim crow was beat more than 40 years ago. are we still thinking jim crow has a direct impact on people's lives today?
I mean I'm irish and my ancestors were treated like dog shit in the usa for a long time. can I still use this as an excuse if something doesn't go my way?

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

Maybe its time to switch to powder then?

I have a hard time believing some white people sat around thinking "how can we keep the blacks down some more? I got it, don't they use powder cocaine more? There's the answer then, make stiffer punishments for using crack, that'll solve it!"

Within 2 minutes of a google search I found multiple sources that discuss the difference between powder and crack, all saying how much more dangerous and addictive crack is vs powder. That seems to me like a much more likely reason to offer stiffer punishments than based on who uses it. And in fact they are not the same from what I read.

"Smoked cocaine, or crack cocaine, takes about 20 seconds to reach the brain, and its effects last for about 30 minutes. According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine, there is a greater propensity for dependence when cocaine is smoked rather than snorted. The immediacy, duration, and magnitude of the effects of crack contribute to this fact."

http://cocaine.org/the-difference-between-powder-cocaine-and-crack-cocaine/

And you are also willing to ignore the fact that blacks have more repeat offenders (a fact I've seen used to explain why our judicial system is racist by the way, claiming those repeat offender laws were made to keep black people down too. Similar to your claim, which just doesn't seem logical to me) and the fact that more blacks are in poverty and therefore rely on public defenders more and as a result get bad representation. It comes down to the crack vs powder law?

Hahaha apparently you have a very weak imagination.
Do you also have a hard time imagining that white people would develop a set of laws and practices that would keep black people subordinated for generations, or have you heard of Jim Crow in your travels through life?

Jim crow was beat more than 40 years ago. are we still thinking jim crow has a direct impact on people's lives today?
I mean I'm irish and my ancestors were treated like dog shit in the usa for a long time. can I still use this as an excuse if something doesn't go my way?

No, because Irish people aren't still suffering from that. You can't say it because it's not a reality for you.

and people are not suffering in 2016 because of jim crow.

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

Maybe its time to switch to powder then?

I have a hard time believing some white people sat around thinking "how can we keep the blacks down some more? I got it, don't they use powder cocaine more? There's the answer then, make stiffer punishments for using crack, that'll solve it!"

Within 2 minutes of a google search I found multiple sources that discuss the difference between powder and crack, all saying how much more dangerous and addictive crack is vs powder. That seems to me like a much more likely reason to offer stiffer punishments than based on who uses it. And in fact they are not the same from what I read.

"Smoked cocaine, or crack cocaine, takes about 20 seconds to reach the brain, and its effects last for about 30 minutes. According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine, there is a greater propensity for dependence when cocaine is smoked rather than snorted. The immediacy, duration, and magnitude of the effects of crack contribute to this fact."

http://cocaine.org/the-difference-between-powder-cocaine-and-crack-cocaine/

And you are also willing to ignore the fact that blacks have more repeat offenders (a fact I've seen used to explain why our judicial system is racist by the way, claiming those repeat offender laws were made to keep black people down too. Similar to your claim, which just doesn't seem logical to me) and the fact that more blacks are in poverty and therefore rely on public defenders more and as a result get bad representation. It comes down to the crack vs powder law?

Hahaha apparently you have a very weak imagination.
Do you also have a hard time imagining that white people would develop a set of laws and practices that would keep black people subordinated for generations, or have you heard of Jim Crow in your travels through life?

Jim crow was beat more than 40 years ago. are we still thinking jim crow has a direct impact on people's lives today?
I mean I'm irish and my ancestors were treated like dog shit in the usa for a long time. can I still use this as an excuse if something doesn't go my way?

No, because Irish people aren't still suffering from that. You can't say it because it's not a reality for you.

and people are not suffering in 2016 because of jim crow.

Many people think they are, or at least suffering from the results of Jim Crow. I think there is a lot evidence to demonstrate this (and focusing on some crack vs coke law isn't going to bring much to light).

Go Beavers said:

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

Whites have been given handouts and shortcuts.

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

Whites have been given handouts and shortcuts.

You re saying blacks have not?

I'm suggesting stickman is thinking hard working whites haven't been given something.

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Stickman12 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

If there's evidence that disproves white privilege, then bring it up for discussion.

I've never denied it exists.

I've also pointed out the failings of individuals within the black community who have failed to exercise strong values and have made very poor decisions (acknowledging at the same time the challenges they face when doing so).

You have most certainly trumpeted the white privilege issue (opportunistic as you have been yourself within it no less)... yet made excuses for these 'failings' I speak of as if those people are simply incapable of exercising decency or responsibility.

When have we made excuses? Please stop making shit up.

No kidding. Who was making excuses? And I'm also well aware of my own white privilege, which I've incorporated into my position.

So white privelage is exactly what? Having successful parents to help you along the way?

It's simple. It's working hard to be successful within the boundaries of societies laws and standards while not looking for handouts and shortcuts.

Whites have been given handouts and shortcuts.

You re saying blacks have not?

I'm suggesting stickman is thinking hard working whites haven't been given something.

Well I can honestly look in the mirror and say my wife and I have never seen any sort of white privelage. We both work our asses off to afford what we have.