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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Yeah, like the dozens of black women raped by Daniel Holtzclaw, it's a good thing they listened to him and didn't tell him to shove it, they might be just another justified homicide.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    I would like to know in the first place on a call of a stranded vehicle why the the need to unholster the officer's service weapon? Hopefully the entire story will come out to get the full picture as to why the need to shoot to kill in the scenario.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,943
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    absurd
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    I really don't think he was serious, that guy has much more common sense that that.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    pjhawks said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    absurd
    It's classic thirtybills over the top sarcasm.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,943
    g under p said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    yes hard to tell if he drops his hands before being tasered/shot or not (my video didn't have sound so many i missed it). with the ambushes of police lately (one in philly friday night) i can see where the police seeing a guy moving towards his car and not responding to their commands would be considered a threat. i am not advocating the killing of this man, just saying where i can see how this escalated to this.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    yes hard to tell if he drops his hands before being tasered/shot or not (my video didn't have sound so many i missed it). with the ambushes of police lately (one in philly friday night) i can see where the police seeing a guy moving towards his car and not responding to their commands would be considered a threat. i am not advocating the killing of this man, just saying where i can see how this escalated to this.
    There could be various reason why the victim was not adhering to police commands....he could hard of hearing, police sirens going off I don't know. However, why this ONE particular officer shot to kill while the other officers dispensed their tasers? Why did she feel the treat was so overwhelming she shot to kill. I hope this will be sorted out soon.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    yes hard to tell if he drops his hands before being tasered/shot or not (my video didn't have sound so many i missed it). with the ambushes of police lately (one in philly friday night) i can see where the police seeing a guy moving towards his car and not responding to their commands would be considered a threat. i am not advocating the killing of this man, just saying where i can see how this escalated to this.
    Without audio how do you know he wasn't responding to their commands? How do you know he wasn't asked for ID and was moving (slowly, that much is fact, there are no sudden movements) to comply?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    No.

    I find the idea that cops should just let people go on whatever terms they dictate... when they don't feel like being detained... is completely absurd.

    It's not that gawddamn hard to comply. You're tempting fate when you don't.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    How unfortunate, you fooled me.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,943
    rgambs said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    yes hard to tell if he drops his hands before being tasered/shot or not (my video didn't have sound so many i missed it). with the ambushes of police lately (one in philly friday night) i can see where the police seeing a guy moving towards his car and not responding to their commands would be considered a threat. i am not advocating the killing of this man, just saying where i can see how this escalated to this.
    Without audio how do you know he wasn't responding to their commands? How do you know he wasn't asked for ID and was moving (slowly, that much is fact, there are no sudden movements) to comply?
    using that logic though how are you sure he didn't say he was going back to the car to get a gun to shoot the officers? but i've already seen and heard people discussing this like it was an execution.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    No.

    I find the idea that cops should just let people go on whatever terms they dictate... when they don't feel like being detained... is completely absurd.

    It's not that gawddamn hard to comply. You're tempting fate when you don't.
    Do you know what probable cause is?
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    yes hard to tell if he drops his hands before being tasered/shot or not (my video didn't have sound so many i missed it). with the ambushes of police lately (one in philly friday night) i can see where the police seeing a guy moving towards his car and not responding to their commands would be considered a threat. i am not advocating the killing of this man, just saying where i can see how this escalated to this.
    Friday and Saturday in Philly.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Go Beavers said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    No.

    I find the idea that cops should just let people go on whatever terms they dictate... when they don't feel like being detained... is completely absurd.

    It's not that gawddamn hard to comply. You're tempting fate when you don't.
    Do you know what probable cause is?
    Question time. Great!

    Answer: yes

    Question: do you understand the threat officers face in the line of duty?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    No.

    I find the idea that cops should just let people go on whatever terms they dictate... when they don't feel like being detained... is completely absurd.

    It's not that gawddamn hard to comply. You're tempting fate when you don't.
    Do you know what probable cause is?
    Question time. Great!

    Answer: yes

    Question: do you understand the threat officers face in the line of duty?
    What is considered enough of a threat to kill someone? Honest question. I would argue until someone walking away from you with their hands up towards a car does something sudden or reaches, that is not enough to kill someone. The officers sign up for that threat the first day they show up at the academy and you can't kill someone the second you get scared.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    Yes, it's a difficult job and they need to be trained to respond accordingly to actual threats, and also be compensated for the work. The public making excuses for eff ups makes it worse.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    pjhawks said:

    rgambs said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    yes hard to tell if he drops his hands before being tasered/shot or not (my video didn't have sound so many i missed it). with the ambushes of police lately (one in philly friday night) i can see where the police seeing a guy moving towards his car and not responding to their commands would be considered a threat. i am not advocating the killing of this man, just saying where i can see how this escalated to this.
    Without audio how do you know he wasn't responding to their commands? How do you know he wasn't asked for ID and was moving (slowly, that much is fact, there are no sudden movements) to comply?
    using that logic though how are you sure he didn't say he was going back to the car to get a gun to shoot the officers? but i've already seen and heard people discussing this like it was an execution.
    Im not sure, that's why we need body cameras and independent review of police actions. The police buddy system and public reverance for men in uniform is not sufficient to ascertain the truth.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    No.

    I find the idea that cops should just let people go on whatever terms they dictate... when they don't feel like being detained... is completely absurd.

    It's not that gawddamn hard to comply. You're tempting fate when you don't.
    Do you know what probable cause is?
    Question time. Great!

    Answer: yes

    Question: do you understand the threat officers face in the line of duty?
    What is considered enough of a threat to kill someone? Honest question. I would argue until someone walking away from you with their hands up towards a car does something sudden or reaches, that is not enough to kill someone. The officers sign up for that threat the first day they show up at the academy and you can't kill someone the second you get scared.
    To some degree I would agree. But you would also have to agree that in the moment, exercising too much patience might cost you your life.

    We sit on the sidelines and speak to this topic. It's easy to armchair quarterback.

    I'd say this: it's far easier to comply with simple orders than it is to discern threat.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Are you serious?
    No.

    I find the idea that cops should just let people go on whatever terms they dictate... when they don't feel like being detained... is completely absurd.

    It's not that gawddamn hard to comply. You're tempting fate when you don't.
    Do you know what probable cause is?
    Question time. Great!

    Answer: yes

    Question: do you understand the threat officers face in the line of duty?
    What is considered enough of a threat to kill someone? Honest question. I would argue until someone walking away from you with their hands up towards a car does something sudden or reaches, that is not enough to kill someone. The officers sign up for that threat the first day they show up at the academy and you can't kill someone the second you get scared.
    To some degree I would agree. But you would also have to agree that in the moment, exercising too much patience might cost you your life.

    We sit on the sidelines and speak to this topic. It's easy to armchair quarterback.

    I'd say this: it's far easier to comply with simple orders than it is to discern threat.
    The officer has to do one of those things, a black man is stuck doing both at the same time.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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