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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Cops are nothing more than government's gang of collection agents given a gun and a badge and nearly 100% immunity.

    Shoot someone? Here's two weeks paid vacation while we investigate it and determine there's nothing wrong.

    You anti-gunners might want to start with your hero police.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,846
    Being completely drunk doesn't prevent you from pulling the trigger when you are believed to be armed. In fact many aren't many violent crimes committed when someone is drunk?
    What about going to a call with a man waving a rifle around and then drawing your own gun makes those cops "chicken shit" or scaredycop? I'd be pretty scared reporting to a call with a man waiving a rifle around.? I wouldn't want to show up in that situation without a gun drawn if I had to go.
    I'm not convinced the cop is innocent, but neither was the other guy. Not saying he deserved it at all, but he certainly could have prevented it. Don't waive a rife around at people.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mace1229 said:

    Being completely drunk doesn't prevent you from pulling the trigger when you are believed to be armed. In fact many aren't many violent crimes committed when someone is drunk?
    What about going to a call with a man waving a rifle around and then drawing your own gun makes those cops "chicken shit" or scaredycop? I'd be pretty scared reporting to a call with a man waiving a rifle around.? I wouldn't want to show up in that situation without a gun drawn if I had to go.
    I'm not convinced the cop is innocent, but neither was the other guy. Not saying he deserved it at all, but he certainly could have prevented it. Don't waive a rife around at people.

    He wasn't waving a rifle around at people.

    That information was erroneously reported to the police and they arrived assuming as much so fair enough... but when the guy is on his hands and knees... crawling towards the officers exactly as instructed... without a weapon... begging for his life... and trying to pull his pants up as they are falling off while crawling... even a poor cop could have handled that scene better.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,846
    I haven't read anything that stated he was found to not be waiving a gun around. In fact, just about all reports seem to confirm that he was waving the pellet gun out the window. The fact it turned out to be a pellet gun is irrelevant in my opinion, you wouldn't know that. And it would be a big coincidence that they reported his room number and find pellet guns in there, how many people carry pellet guns into a hotel room?
    To be clear, he didn't deserve to get shot and I'm not convinced the cop is innocent. My original statement I was just pointing out given the lack of evidence (being withheld from public until the trial), there doesn't seem to be enough to rush to judgment yet. It seems entirely plausible given the lack of evidence so far that the cops could have believed he was armed, and pulling your pants up would be perceived as reaching for your waistband. The videos I've seen doesnt show the moments immediately prior to the shooting, but from other situations I've seen I would assume the cops are yelling at him to keep his hands up and he reaches for his pants anyway.
    Does that warrant a shooting? I don't know, I'd have to see the rest of the video.

    I do believe there are dirty cops, and that they have committed horrible crimes. this would be a very small fraction of the 600,000 cops in our country. I believe most of the time it is to cover up something in their personal or professional life, and rarely, if ever, the attitude of joining the police force so you can get a free pass to kill someone just because you feel like committing murder. That seems very unlikely and implausible to me. But that seems to be the impression I see on here and BLM and other protestors are giving off. And seems to be the suggested motive in this case? If he just wanted to go shoot someone, he has 100 better opportunities everyday and just doesn't make sense that was his motive here.

    To me seems like there are 2 likely scenarios. One, it really looked like he was reaching for a gun and being under the impression that he was armed, I would say its justified. The second being he couldn't handle the pressure of the situation and panicked. The latter being an unjustified shooting of course, but would I label him a murderer and rank this among the worst police abuses of our generation for that? I wouldn't. Especially considering the violence against cops lately. Hold him accountable, but to me that wouldn't be a murder charge for folding under pressure.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Unbelievable.

    West Virginia cop fired for not killing a man with an unloaded gun

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/09/12/west-virginia-cop-fired-for-not-killing-a-man-with-an-unloaded-gun/?utm_term=.7e540fc4793c
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Cast out cops are often hired in other cities.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/us/whereabouts-of-cast-out-police-officers-other-cities-often-hire-them.html?_r=0
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    dignin said:

    Unbelievable.

    West Virginia cop fired for not killing a man with an unloaded gun

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/09/12/west-virginia-cop-fired-for-not-killing-a-man-with-an-unloaded-gun/?utm_term=.7e540fc4793c

    Yeah that story is truly unbelievable. It's no wonder some officers have the mentality of shoot first ask questions later and this goes up to administrative level. I hope that officer can get work as an officer elsewhere. That's ridiculous.

    Peace

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Harassment and trumped charges

    https://youtu.be/uHNROh5Tfkk
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,941
    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818


    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    so you were there....please give us your insight on what happened

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    I guess he was presenting an immediate threat that required he be shot. Or maybe he wan't. Use the information at hand, but adjust your own lens that says cops do no wrong.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,941
    edited September 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    he was a threat to the police. they didn't know what he was going for or if he was going to get back in the car and take off. i don't think he deserved to die but his actions or lack there of caused the reaction from the police.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    Walking back to the car isn't a threat, and they can't shoot someone for driving away.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So.....? Well pjhawks you forgot to mention he had his hands up. This police call was about vehicle stranded in the middle of the road. Trying to escape to a stranded suv....please tell me where's threat to the police officers life when the other officers there shot their tazer while she shot to kill?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    I sort of looks like you have to now, or you'll get shot. Even if you haven't done anything wrong and you don't pose a threat. Too bad people support this.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,846
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    So....apprently you can be executed if you don't follow orders from police, even when you are a threat to no one.

    People should be allowed to tell cops to go stuff it up their hairy as**s. Why should we have to listen to them?
    Assuming all cops have a hairy a** is just not accurate.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    pjhawks said:

    g under p said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/19/police-involved-shooting-black-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

    This one shooting was truly tragically video taped from various angles. One from an helicopter says, "That looks like one big bad dude too. He might be on something".

    Peace

    walking back to his car which makes it look like he is trying to escape, ignoring cops directions to stop...so?
    So? So, we better shoot him dead, we can't have black men walking around slowly with their hands up, this 'Merica damnit!

    Cops and soldiers...so clean cut, do no wrong...
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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