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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    I do.  Suspend them.  Don't give them a paid vacation,  if they are found not guilty then give them backpay.

    In this case it seems like it's a slam dunk, but to suspend police without pay pending a long suspension would be a hardship: they don't make very much to begin with and there are bills to pay.

    The process is there for a reason. Don't be daft.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,376
    It isnt just a police issue, I just dont think that is right in any job.
    My wife is a stay at home mom, so I am the sole provider right now. That wouldn't help at all. If I was unpaid for for a couple months due to a false accusation at work I'd be behind in my mortgage and pretty much every other payment after the first month. My credit would take a big hit, I'd have penalties and fees for late payments. If the investigation went on more than 2 or 3 months I'd probably have services cut off. Backpay when I'm found innocent wouldn't help me much at that point.
    I don't think that is the right thing to do in any job.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mace1229 said:
    It isnt just a police issue, I just dont think that is right in any job.
    My wife is a stay at home mom, so I am the sole provider right now. That wouldn't help at all. If I was unpaid for for a couple months due to a false accusation at work I'd be behind in my mortgage and pretty much every other payment after the first month. My credit would take a big hit, I'd have penalties and fees for late payments. If the investigation went on more than 2 or 3 months I'd probably have services cut off. Backpay when I'm found innocent wouldn't help me much at that point.
    I don't think that is the right thing to do in any job.

    Correct.

    Unsung's post is more a snide reflection on how he feels about the profession. He knew this already- he just cares very little for the police and sees them all as worthless.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,781
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    I do.  Suspend them.  Don't give them a paid vacation,  if they are found not guilty then give them backpay.

    In this case it seems like it's a slam dunk, but to suspend police without pay pending a long suspension would be a hardship: they don't make very much to begin with and there are bills to pay.

    The process is there for a reason. Don't be daft.
    Since most if not all police are in a union I am sure the officers union  will make sure he gets what needs based on the duly negotiated union  contract.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Muh thin blue line!
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    "Testilying"

    Ample evidence that some police officers are concocting scenarios to allow them to proceed with charges, knowing they have tainted or outright manufactured evidence. Even worse, it seems they rarely get sanctioned for it; in fact, even when their conduct is discovered, some go on to get promoted. Meanwhile, the individuals that they targeted have to spend weeks, months or years fighting this in court, or simply give up and plead guilty to get it over with. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-police-perjury-new-york.html
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Not sure if this was posted.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a72543fe4b09a544b564f2a
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited March 2018
    I've been defending these guys as much as I can, but they are becoming indefensible (warning for disturbing content):



    Edit: I should add I don't know any details, but I'm not sure what details I'd need to know?
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,376
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    I've been defending these guys as much as I can, but they are becoming indefensible (warning for disturbing content):



    Edit: I should add I don't know any details, but I'm not sure what details I'd need to know?
    A guy in a wheelchair can still have a gun.
    Not saying he did. Just saying details are important, and I think it is dangerous to make judgements without them.
    Clearly the cops felt threatened by this guy. Now was it justified? I have no idea, I haven't heard or read anything about this case. Until then it doesn't mean much to me.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    It just doesn't look good, Mace. They acted as if there was a shot clock or something. When they riddled him with bullets... he was just sitting there.

    I have no problem with them taking aim and being prepared to shoot him if he escalates his behaviour in a meaningful way. My problem with this video is that they seem to run out of patience and kill him. I would like to have seen some 'calming' methods try and diffuse the situation before resorting to the last tactic.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    I've been defending these guys as much as I can, but they are becoming indefensible (warning for disturbing content):



    Edit: I should add I don't know any details, but I'm not sure what details I'd need to know?
    I feel like I've seen this video quite awhile ago. I could be wrong but I think it's old.

    Yup, old news.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/us/delaware-police-shoot-man-wheelchair-settlement/index.html
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,150
    Charges against the cop who shot a woman in an Minneapolis alley.

    http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-mohamed-noor-turns-himself-in-on-charges-in-justine-damond-killing/477405923/#1

    Good. But it shouldn't be lost on anyone that this rare charge is on a black cop who killed a white woman.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    dignin said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    I've been defending these guys as much as I can, but they are becoming indefensible (warning for disturbing content):



    Edit: I should add I don't know any details, but I'm not sure what details I'd need to know?
    I feel like I've seen this video quite awhile ago. I could be wrong but I think it's old.

    Yup, old news.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/us/delaware-police-shoot-man-wheelchair-settlement/index.html
    Sorry.

    It popped up on my twitter timeline without many details.


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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    At the risk of posting something redundant given my propensity to do so...


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,071
    fuck, 30, that's brutal. jesus. 
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Protestors take to the streets over the Stephan Clark shooting and surround Golden 1 Center- delaying Kings game.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kings-hawks-game-delayed-due-to-protest-over-stephan-clark-shooting/
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,079
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Protestors take to the streets over the Stephan Clark shooting and surround Golden 1 Center- delaying Kings game.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kings-hawks-game-delayed-due-to-protest-over-stephan-clark-shooting/
    3,2,1, why doesn’t Unsung ever, ever chime in when it’s this type of situation? Why is that? Will he post how this victim had a previous? Will he cry his faux outrage at the injustice, hearing the victim’s grandmother call the cops murderers? Or is his concern only for white guys with 97 previous run ins with the law? Unsung?
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,063
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,079
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    Because this one poster thinks he knows, got it all figured out, professes to care, but really? All he cares about is elimination of the white race and being a victim. I don’t suffer fools lightly.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,079
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    And look who started the thread. About police abuse. Guess it matters what color your skin is?
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    And look who started the thread. About police abuse. Guess it matters what color your skin is?
    Or fur. Unsung has zero tolerance for a cop shooting a dog regardless of circumstances.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    And look who started the thread. About police abuse. Guess it matters what color your skin is?
    You are an idiot.  Go back and look what I wrote about Eric Garner.  
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    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    Don't bother.  Halifax is my stalker.  Odd, I don't know anything about him/her, but I also don't have internet obsessions over people that disagree with me.
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    And look who started the thread. About police abuse. Guess it matters what color your skin is?
    Or fur. Unsung has zero tolerance for a cop shooting a dog regardless of circumstances.
    Show me a story where a cop shot a dog that was biting him and I will show you ten that the cop shot the dog that was behind a fence, chained, or in a vehicle.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,079
    unsung said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    Don't bother.  Halifax is my stalker.  Odd, I don't know anything about him/her, but I also don't have internet obsessions over people that disagree with me.
    No, you just have obsessions about elimination of the white race and some sick obsession with guns and living scared.
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    Whatever you say.  LOL
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    Don't bother.  Halifax is my stalker.  Odd, I don't know anything about him/her, but I also don't have internet obsessions over people that disagree with me.
    No, you just have obsessions about elimination of the white race and some sick obsession with guns and living scared.
    Plus cryptocurrency.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    And look who started the thread. About police abuse. Guess it matters what color your skin is?
    Or fur. Unsung has zero tolerance for a cop shooting a dog regardless of circumstances.
    Show me a story where a cop shot a dog that was biting him and I will show you ten that the cop shot the dog that was behind a fence, chained, or in a vehicle.

    A dog doesn't have to bite a cop before the cop can defend himself against the attack.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,079
    unsung said:
    dudeman said:
    Really? Why are you so hung up on what one person posts on here? You don't agrree with each other. We get it.


    Don't bother.  Halifax is my stalker.  Odd, I don't know anything about him/her, but I also don't have internet obsessions over people that disagree with me.
    You going to shoot me through your front door as I ring your doorbell bearing a case?
     
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    Don't be a lunatic.
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