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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Well, I have taken the class, eight hours of it was on the law, so yeah I do.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Or maybe you believe that these licensed instructors want to be part of a criminal lawsuit for intentionally offering bad advice.  That’s it, they want their own lives ruined and their families destroyed just to prove some anti right.  Makes total sense.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,007
    I've taken a concealed carry course. I did not get the impression at all that they were giving me tips on how to get away with murder.
    I was given guidance on what self defense is and isn't, and tips on how to handle a self defense case, and sure, I guess someone can take that information and apply it to a murder. But I was also told expect to go bankrupt and have the case follow me for years even in a clear-cut defense case. So by no means was anyone supporting covering up a murder. But honestly, shouldn't a concealed weapons course on self defense cover what self defense is and how to deal with it? By doing exactly what it is designed to do, thats not promoting murder.
  • Some shithead is attacking an elederly person with a knife. Two passerbyers intervene and the shithead starts to attack them.

    Cops arrive and beg the shithead to put the knife down. He essentially laughs at them and proceeds to attack his victims again. A non-lethal effort to subdue the shithead doesn't work. He continues to attack. They finally subdue the threat (and take the three injured people to the hospital).

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4479907/queensborough-assault/

    Good cops? Or bad cops?

    I'm thinking if I'm the victim and under repeated attacks... I'm imploring the cops to end the threat. If it's my family member under attack... shoot the f**king loser and don't put my loved one at risk.

    This could have ended much worse for the 'attacked'.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,275
    GUILTY!!!!! 17 counts in total.

    Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke convicted of second-degree murder for killing Laquan McDonald
    https://wapo.st/2yiVzHS

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,026
    rgambs said:
    rgambs said:
    Yeah, very curious to see this one play out, it will be interesting to have the full story.
    Still not the full story, but a few more details of Guyger's story, which don't exactly make sense.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-botham-jean-shooting_us_5b96daf8e4b0cf7b0042b550

    She claims she shot after Jean ignored her "verbal commands", which sounds like she saw herself in a police role at that time, despite the fact that she had no grounds to give verbal commands.

    She also says she shot before turning the lights on, thus explaining why she didn't realize that she was in the wrong apartment. Why would she shoot without even knowing who or what she was shooting at?
    My first thought was that this is the kind of thing they teach at conceal carry classes.  There are always helpful tips on how to get away with murder, giving clear warnings and commands supports a self-defence claim.

    Guyger finally indicted for murder of Botham Jean today. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,275
    rgambs said:
    rgambs said:
    Yeah, very curious to see this one play out, it will be interesting to have the full story.
    Still not the full story, but a few more details of Guyger's story, which don't exactly make sense.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-botham-jean-shooting_us_5b96daf8e4b0cf7b0042b550

    She claims she shot after Jean ignored her "verbal commands", which sounds like she saw herself in a police role at that time, despite the fact that she had no grounds to give verbal commands.

    She also says she shot before turning the lights on, thus explaining why she didn't realize that she was in the wrong apartment. Why would she shoot without even knowing who or what she was shooting at?
    My first thought was that this is the kind of thing they teach at conceal carry classes.  There are always helpful tips on how to get away with murder, giving clear warnings and commands supports a self-defence claim.

    Guyger finally indicted for murder of Botham Jean today. 
    good on the grand jury for elevating the initial manslaughter charge....
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 12,552
    edited December 3
    mace1229 said:

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
    You are asking that question?

    My gawd man... look who your country elected as its president. If it's slim pickings for your president... it's really really lean for selecting police officers.

    You can be as critical as you want, but if this is all the news related to police abuse... the cops have had a good month.
    I think the charges are justified.
    But I also think the personal attacks may not be. Have you never tried to open the wrong car door? Everyone has. Does that make you an idiot?
    It sounds stupid at first, I agree. But when you read the details she lived there about a month. It seems plausible that she got off on the wrong floor by mistake and went to where her apartment would be.
    I dont know what the apartment building looked like, but many are just like hotels. Once you get off the elevator it all looks the same.

    I think she should be charged, but I dont think that represents any sort of slim pickings based on 1 incident, that actually probably happens all the time (without a shooting). 
    About 3-4 months ago someone came to my apartment at 7am pounding on the door. Thinking there was maybe some kind of emergency, I got up, answered the door, and this girl who I’ve never seen in my life barges in and starts claiming she was in my apartment the night before partying and left her phone, shoes, & other belongings there. I did not have anyone over the night before and had no clue who this chick was. She argued with me up and down about it. I had to call the police to get her to get her to leave.  Turns out she was in the apartment on the next floor down across the hall. The layouts are exactly the same except flipped left and right. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,007
    edited December 3
    mace1229 said:

    Is this a 'policing' incident?

    She was off duty and entered the wrong apartment after her shift. She shot a guy thinking it was a home invasion. And now... she's rightfully being charged with manslaughter. This was not an on duty officer abusing her position of power. This was an idiot that is facing charges for her idiocy.

    I think that in Texas, there might be a few people from a number of professions who might have done the same thing after moronically forgetting which apartment was theirs.
    How does such a “moron” get hired to keep law and order over the rest of us, never mind be issued a firearm? Oh yea, right, it’s ‘Murica. Further, off duty police behavior can’t be pointed out nor criticized? If the victim had been white and the offending officer minority, there’d be pages of condemnation of the “white genocide,” I’m sure.
     
    You are asking that question?

    My gawd man... look who your country elected as its president. If it's slim pickings for your president... it's really really lean for selecting police officers.

    You can be as critical as you want, but if this is all the news related to police abuse... the cops have had a good month.
    I think the charges are justified.
    But I also think the personal attacks may not be. Have you never tried to open the wrong car door? Everyone has. Does that make you an idiot?
    It sounds stupid at first, I agree. But when you read the details she lived there about a month. It seems plausible that she got off on the wrong floor by mistake and went to where her apartment would be.
    I dont know what the apartment building looked like, but many are just like hotels. Once you get off the elevator it all looks the same.

    I think she should be charged, but I dont think that represents any sort of slim pickings based on 1 incident, that actually probably happens all the time (without a shooting). 
    About 3-4 months ago someone came to my apartment at 7am pounding on the door. Thinking there was maybe some kind of emergency, I got up, answered the door, and this girl who I’ve never seen in my life barges in and starts claiming she was in my apartment the night before partying and left her phone, shoes, & other belongings there. I did not have anyone over the night before and had no clue who this chick was. She argued with me up and down about it. I had to call the police to get her to get her to leave.  Turns out she was in the apartment on the next floor down across the hall. The layouts are exactly the same except flipped left and right. 
    Had to read through the quotes since its been a while. But this girl I would say was pretty wack compared to that cop incident. 
    Clearly she didn't know the person who lives at the place of the party, or she would have realized she was at the wrong place when you answered. Probably a friend of a friend. So who goes pounding on the door of a stranger at 7 am anyway? Even if she was right, and she did leave her stuff there, wait until a normal time to go ask for it. If she had left her stuff there I would have been tempted to just say "I'm still in bed, come back at noon" then close the door and lock it.
    Since it escalated to the point of calling police ,I hope she got a ticket for disturbance or something. 
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