September 11th, 2001

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,512
    ledvedderman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    and your logic for Iraq is...

    the best intel at the moment.
    Well, intelligence at the time said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That, however, was ignored in the drumbeat leading up to war.

    That is correct...Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

    There were 3 reasons for the Iraq war...

    duck Cheney
    Karl rove
    Don rumsfeld
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    dignin said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Can people stop with the f**king self righteousness.

    Geezuz man. I swear some people think their mom or dad on these forums. F**king annoying.

    Scruffy... speak your mind. The US response to 9-11 is most certainly fair conversation here.


    Nah, it's off topic.

    Now on topic, I just watched the last half of the movie "United 93" .....that was intense. It made me wonder if it would be better to be on one of the planes that crashed into one of the towers, oblivious to my fate. Or be on United 93, know I was fucked....but go out fighting.
    You're wrong.

    Again.

    But don't worry about it. That movie was intense and man did I ever want to slap those idiots that took the plane.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Bentleyspop said:

    ledvedderman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    and your logic for Iraq is...

    the best intel at the moment.
    Well, intelligence at the time said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That, however, was ignored in the drumbeat leading up to war.

    That is correct...Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

    There were 3 reasons for the Iraq war...

    duck Cheney
    Karl rove
    Don rumsfeld
    This is an oversimplification (as horrible as these guys are).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    On September 18, 2001, EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman told the public, via a press release, "We are very encouraged that the results from our monitoring of air-quality and drinking-water conditions in both New York and near the Pentagon show that the public in these areas is not being exposed to excessive levels of asbestos or other harmful substances" and that "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York … that their air is safe to breathe and the water is safe to drink."


    Critics assert that government officials – notably Bush, Christine Todd Whitman (former head of the US EPA), and New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani – downplayed the health risks of the area and rushed to reopen the area around Ground Zero, although this posed a grave and immediate health risk to first responders.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    America's Mayor and 911 Profiteer

    Two days after the collapse of the World Trade Center, mayor Giuliani said, "The air is safe as far as we can tell, with respect to chemical and biological agents." Giuliani, in attempting to deflate New York Daily News journalist Juan Gonzalez' reportage of the 9/11 air issue, claimed that "the problems created… are not health-threatening." In the first month after the attacks, the mayor said, "The air quality is safe and acceptable."

    In November 2001, Giuliani wrote to the city's Congressional delegation and urged that the city's liability for Ground Zero illnesses be limited, in total, at $350 million. Two years after Mayor Giuliani finished his term, FEMA appropriated $1 billion to a special insurance fund to protect the city against 9/11 lawsuits.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited September 2016
    http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/16/9-11-death-toll-rising-496214.html

    https://www.rt.com/usa/358874-911-emergency-responders-rates-cancer/

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/september-11-attacks-anniversary-15-years-first-responders-cancer/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/911-responders-battle-toxic-exposures-15-years/story?id=41981426
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    The air quality for ground zero and the immediate area was without question hazardous: during the event and after for a period of time as well.

    Brutal event.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Yefa
    Yefa Posts: 1,134
    This is a piece on the "Falling Man" that is worth your time to read.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48031/the-falling-man-tom-junod/
    You see me empty, Sir, do not pause and inquire, simply assume and refill.
    - Al Swearengen

    http://www.cantstoptheserenity.com
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,140
    Yeah I was shocked to hear after all these years that the epa admitted they got it wrong. My father in law has black spots on his lungs because of the air quality at ground zero.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,140
    ledvedderman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    and your logic for Iraq is...

    the best intel at the moment.
    Well, intelligence at the time said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That, however, was ignored in the drumbeat leading up to war.

    Like I said, for whatever reason after 15 years I finally get why President Bush invaded Iraq.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,512
    mcgruff10 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    and your logic for Iraq is...

    the best intel at the moment.
    Well, intelligence at the time said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That, however, was ignored in the drumbeat leading up to war.

    Like I said, for whatever reason after 15 years I finally get why President Bush invaded Iraq.
    Except for the fact that he had nothing to do with it.

    The idea and the planning for the invasion of Iraq were developed long before he was even elected.
    The blame, 100% of it falls squarely on....
    duck Cheney
    karl rove
    Don rumsfeld
    And to a lesser extent...colin powell
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's threads like these or military celebrations at sporting events that make me sad for peace on this planet ...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    polaris_x said:

    it's threads like these or military celebrations at sporting events that make me sad for peace on this planet ...

    Now throw in 'I shouldn't expect any less here' and you will successfully have established yourself as better than everyone else.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's threads like these or military celebrations at sporting events that make me sad for peace on this planet ...

    Now throw in 'I shouldn't expect any less here' and you will successfully have established yourself as better than everyone else.
    exactly
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    polaris_x said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's threads like these or military celebrations at sporting events that make me sad for peace on this planet ...

    Now throw in 'I shouldn't expect any less here' and you will successfully have established yourself as better than everyone else.
    exactly
    There you go!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,962
    It was the smell that really got me. Everyday when I left my apartment the smell was in the air- a mix of steel, plastic, paper and bodies. I never had smelled anything like it and hope I don't again. It lasted for weeks if not more and there was nothing you could do to avoid it.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,748
    anytime you have a thread that remembers those lost in any type of conflict, it will eventually (d)evolve into discussion/argument over why/how it happened and who/what is responsible. this is normal.

    in the end, it's a day to remember the lives lost and to hopefully learn how to prevent such another tragedy in the future, if and when that is possible.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    I have strong emotions about 9/11. The horror of the day and the horror thise people went through still angers me to the core. I make myself watch all the shows on the history channel. Still shed tears when I hear the stories of horror and the stories of utter bravery and courage. The senseless killing of all of those people, and for what? Doesn't matter.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,955
    eddiec said:

    It was the smell that really got me. Everyday when I left my apartment the smell was in the air- a mix of steel, plastic, paper and bodies. I never had smelled anything like it and hope I don't again. It lasted for weeks if not more and there was nothing you could do to avoid it.

    very good friends of mine's brother-in-law is a NYC fireman. a guy i have hung out with a bit and have seen at many of their family functions. he wasn't there when it happened but was there as part of the cleanup later in the day and in the ensuing weeks. about three weeks after the day his wife had to get him out of the city and brought him down to the philly area to escape it for a bit and my friends asked us to come down and hang out and have a few beers with him. i will never forget the look he had on his face. like he had seen ghosts and had been in the presence of evil. i avoided asking any questions about it but one person did and i remembering him saying all they seem to find of people were their shoes. ill always remember how he looked that night i pray to God (and i am not religious) that i never see anyone look like that again. it still gives me chills.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,883
    My story isn't very interesting. I was living in San Diego getting ready for my organic chemistry class when we turned on the news and I called my parents. I remember my dad told me on the phone "get ready for WW III"
    My wife (we didn't meet until 10 years later) had just moved to Brooklyn NY to start her first year of teaching. Her first day as a teacher was 9/10/2001 in Brooklyn. Normal first day. Terrible second day.
    She doesn't like to talk about it, but she lived right across the bridge. So her neighborhood FD were among the first to arrive since the bridge is faster and closer than most departments in Manhattan, and therefore suffered some of the most casualties.
    The eeriest part for her was walking through the city a few days later and being the only time she ever heard birds chirping, and no sound of the city.
    For weeks she'd cry every day to work because she would pass thousands of missing posters and memorials on every church and street corner, many of whom were her age and looked like people she could have easily been friends with, or were sad stories about family members.

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