September 11th, 2001

hedonist

Haha. I'm not a teenage-ish boy. Just a grown-ass woman who digs on getting her ya-ya's out where and when she can.

GTA included.

Thank you, but the pass is not needed!

camsjam

Running late as usual--everyone has already moved on but I wanted to tell my story here because I haven't written about it before. I don't believe we're "wallowing" Hugh's comment was right. We're sad, puzzled, angry and afraid and as humans we try to make sense of things and it's natural to point fingers and try to assign blame or vent anger. It's been 15 years but it's still is a painful day to remember yet I feel it is important to acknowledge thousands of people going to work on a ordinary day, just like we all do, had their lives taken in a brutally violent way.
I was living in LA when my phone rang just after 6 in the morning. It was my Mom and she just said one word Honey? and I knew something was wrong. I asked and she just said turn on your TV. I tried to make sense of what I was looking at...smoking Towers. At first I thought there had been some horrible accident and she started crying and I heard the reporter say planes had hit the World Trade Center Towers. I watched in disbelief for awhile just stunned then thought I'd better get my ass to work. Hung up and about 10 minutes my phone rang again and it was one of my best friends saying Shit, you don't want to go to work today. I told I felt I had to and finished getting ready. I worked for an airline at a ticketing office and was scheduled to open the office with another agent. I drove down Sunset Blvd which is at that hour of the day usually a cluster fuck of miserable traffic and the streets were really empty. I figured most people were glued to the TV but where were all the people going to work?
I arrived and saw a piece of notepaper with CLOSED TODAY taped on the door. I went in and called our supervisor who said they had been asking people to go down to the office by LAX to help handle the overload on the phone lines. However, Century Blvd going into the airport was being closed. LAX was considered a high risk target. She told me to go home and they would let me know when the office would reopen. I drove back home..again on mostly empty streets...in fucking LA!..and watched as things got worse. Plane hit the Pentagon, another plane missing thought to be highjacked, the Towers crumbling. The people jumping from the Towers was the most heartbreaking. There was a foreign reporter talking and I could see and worse, hear, the people falling behind him. I had been to the top and knew how very very high Windows of the World was. Those people trapped....just makes my stomach turn.

camsjam

I returned to work the next day and it's really a blur. All flights cancelled until ? planes and people stranded all over and people asking when will everything get back to a normal schedule? I remember people being kinder and more understanding mostly. There was an elderly French gentleman trying to go home. When I tried to explain I had no answers yet he said something like This is hurting all of us..we are all connected and I wanted to cry.
My computer just decided to restart and update which made me realize I have been rambling on n on.
Thank you ehbacon for this post and keeping true to the purpose---remembering and listing those lost. I'm not going to address some of the boorish comments a few people left. That cheapens the heart of the orginal thought here. I love this country--we're not always perfect or right--but we are all people in the world and if you feel the need to express your insensitive opinions to stir up the drama I feel sorry for you--

hedonist

camsjam, thank you for sharing so eloquently and honestly what you experienced. I'm in LA and also drove on an empty Sunset Blvd. to work in Woodland Hills...had Howard Stern on the radio (bless him, he saved my sanity that morning) and kept checking the skies for planes. Nothing, totally empty. Streets too. Ended up going back home and watching the coverage with a mix of numbness, horror, profound sadness and overwhelming surreality.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I agree that seeing the people plummeting to earth was the most heart wrenching. Obviously, prior to their action, they were faced with melting or leaping. The desperation and hopelessness they must have felt at that moment could not have been more intense.

It was an utterly shocking event and it was the mechanism for shaping the course of history.

mace1229

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I agree that seeing the people plummeting to earth was the most heart wrenching. Obviously, prior to their action, they were faced with melting or leaping. The desperation and hopelessness they must have felt at that moment could not have been more intense.

It was an utterly shocking event and it was the mechanism for shaping the course of history.

I think it was Brian Williams who said "Their best option was to jump to their death." That stuck with me.

comatose2016

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

g under p

comatose2016 said:

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

Interesting that you asked these questions.....I asked the same in my very first thread I posted here almost 10 years ago. It was called
911 Mysteries, it was posted in the morning before heading to work and when I returned 7 pages had been posted. I knew then this community was the place for me the action was fast and furious.

Peace

eddiec

comatose2016 said:

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

Question 2 cannot be answered. Unfortunately it may never be answered.

mace1229

comatose2016 said:

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

1) There is video footage along with thousands of witnesses to 2 planes crashing into the towers. In no way was it a hoax, illusion, etc. Thousands of rescue workers were involved, and very little remains of the planes or the thousands of people who were known to die in the event were ever recovered. What more proof do you want that a plane can crash without leaving much of a trace?

2) Probably not possible. But a jumbo jet fully loaded with jet fuel is a pretty darn big explosive. I never understand the debate that they could not have fallen without explosives. That is probably true, but we saw 2 very large explosives fly straight into the buildings. So why is this a topic?

comatose2016

That's great g under p - sorry I'm late to your thread :-).

g under p

comatose2016 said:

That's great g under p - sorry I'm late to your thread :-).

It ended up a couple pages later. Btw I just checked the 9/11 Mysteries thread is still there I couldn't believe it. Anyway, after looking at everything what I do know about the investigation into 9/11 and what actually happened I believe is quite different than what has been told to the public.

Peace

rgambs

mace1229 said:

comatose2016 said:

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

1) There is video footage along with thousands of witnesses to 2 planes crashing into the towers. In no way was it a hoax, illusion, etc. Thousands of rescue workers were involved, and very little remains of the planes or the thousands of people who were known to die in the event were ever recovered. What more proof do you want that a plane can crash without leaving much of a trace?

2) Probably not possible. But a jumbo jet fully loaded with jet fuel is a pretty darn big explosive. I never understand the debate that they could not have fallen without explosives. That is probably true, but we saw 2 very large explosives fly straight into the buildings. So why is this a topic?

Number 1 is likely referring to the Pentagon, where the security footage remains sealed and the details are suspect.

comatose2016

It's pretty well documented that the official story is full of holes. Like I said, I really don't want to start a heated argument. Seeing is believing though - there is absolutely no way one could ever doctor a video shown on 'live' TV correct? No way fake witnesses have ever been used in 'news' stories before right? Just saying, keep the minds open, check out some Youtube vids, decide for yourself. I assure you I'm not a conspiracy theorist or a nut job. Just someone who wishes Rock n Roll can still change the world.

brianlux

Good questions and why they and a few others have never been fully explained is a mystery. Same with the Kennedy shooting. There are some things we may never know.

mcgruff10

comatose2016 said:

It's pretty well documented that the official story is full of holes. Like I said, I really don't want to start a heated argument. Seeing is believing though - there is absolutely no way one could ever doctor a video shown on 'live' TV correct? No way fake witnesses have ever been used in 'news' stories before right? Just saying, keep the minds open, check out some Youtube vids, decide for yourself. I assure you I'm not a conspiracy theorist or a nut job. Just someone who wishes Rock n Roll can still change the world.

fake witnesses? you are talking about downtown manhattan, one of the biggest cities in the world. literally (hundreds of?) thousands of people witnessed the event. Don't you think if something was fake someone after 15 years would have said something?
also a piece of one of the planes was found between two buildings a few years ago.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/us/new-york-9-11-plane-part/

mcgruff10

comatose2016 said:

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

#2 specifically wtc 7
Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors—along with the building's unusual construction—were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

mcgruff10

comatose2016 said:

I am very curious to know if anyone out in the community has done their own research surrounding this day. Please don't say 'it's 2016, time to move on'. This statement saddens me. It really is our duty to ask questions and speak out about this event. Nothing would make me happier than seeing PJ get behind the push for facts. At this time, what could possibly be more important than providing the world with real facts about the biggest crime in mankind history?

There are scientists, physicists, engineers, actors, musicians, etc all pushing for a re-investigation.
See http://www.ae911truth.org/ or http://aa911.org/

I'm not looking for a debate on this, just asking people to take a step back, forget what has been force fed to us as facts for 15 years and take a look for yourselves. You will be surprised at what you find out.

If someone can prove to me these 2 items, then I will be able to move on, but so far no one has:
1) 4 aluminum commercial airplanes can disappear into concrete/steel structures or into the ground with barely a trace (or no trace depending who you ask)
2) 3 concrete/steel structures (two 110-story, one 47-story) buildings can collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed without explosives

1: wreckage from flight 77 was found on the pentagon's lawn. pictures prove this.
like I said, a piece of one of the plane's landing gear was found in between 2 buildings in nyc.
While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied—including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine—as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky.

eddiec

In the history of skyscrapers only 3 have fallen with cause being attributed to fire.
WTC 1,2 and 7

Jason P

oh boy ...