GARY JOHNSON FOR PRESIDENT

Why would you think that? I've never disrespected you. Yes, I was serious but I also realize people are tough to change, but coming from a lifelong Democrat until 2007 I know it can be done.

You don't have to answer, I'm good with that.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/libertarian-presidential-candidate-gary-johnson-asks-aleppo-tv/story?id=41944791&cid=abcn_fb

Seriously....what a dumbass stoner

Thought he could have answered it better but this doesn't make me believe that Liar 1 or Liar 2 is the better choice.

Johnson's values are not perfectly aligned to libertarians. He's a pragmatist. He pisses off Libertarians when he favors carbon taxes. There are many issues where he fails the Libertarian purity test. Not sure where you're seeing him perfectly aligned. He and Weld, both former Republican governors, have been taking a bunch of flak from the LP faithful. Anyway, I'll be voting for Johnson. Trump is crazy, and I wouldn't trust Hillary for a second. Johnson most closely aligns with my politics, but not to the extent that I'd like. I wish we had great choices. Instead we have to figure out which candidate will do the least amount of harm. I think that is Johnson. And I'm not sure what problem the above poster has with freedom, but if freedom troubles you there are alternatives available.

cottagesteeze said:

jeffbr said:

Johnson's values are not perfectly aligned to libertarians. He's a pragmatist. He pisses off Libertarians when he favors carbon taxes. There are many issues where he fails the Libertarian purity test. Not sure where you're seeing him perfectly aligned. He and Weld, both former Republican governors, have been taking a bunch of flak from the LP faithful. Anyway, I'll be voting for Johnson. Trump is crazy, and I wouldn't trust Hillary for a second. Johnson most closely aligns with my politics, but not to the extent that I'd like. I wish we had great choices. Instead we have to figure out which candidate will do the least amount of harm. I think that is Johnson. And I'm not sure what problem the above poster has with freedom, but if freedom troubles you there are alternatives available.

So because he favors one thing that a standard libertarian wouldn't, that makes him a bad libertarian? Isn't that expected? I don't think once you get appointed as the libertarian candidate that you are supposed to drop your personal views to COMPLETELY align to the party. How would the parties ever change if that was the case? IMO he is a perfect libertarian, he has fairly conservative economic views, he has liberal social views, and he wants a very small central gov't. Isn't that the base of the libertarian party?

I don't claim to be libertarian, and I don't support Johnson, so i could be totally off. but as a 3rd party this is how I view it. I was all hyped up about Johnson when I was a sophomore in college last election cycle, but have since realized many of his policies do not align with my views.

Fair enough. As I said, he doesn't perfectly align with my views either, but is the closest candidate out there. What you described above (social liberal, fiscal conservative) used to describe a liberal faction of the Republican party and a conservative faction of the Democratic Party as well. That description shouldn't have to be exclusive to libertarians. And that description aligns with what I'm looking for. These days both major parties continue to grow the size and scope of a centralized federal government, increase debt, relish deficit spending, and whittle away at our liberties. I'd like to see those trends reverse at some point.

Anyway, my main point in my previous response is that Johnson really isn't a true Libertarian (upper case L), and really isn't "perfectly aligned". Sure, he is aligned based on the very broad description you provided, but not aligned along the party platform, and that has true Libertarians holding their noses. But that's fine with me because hard core Libertarians are unrelenting in their belief in Utopia. For an interesting perspective about the centrist role they're taking, check this out: Gary Johnson and the Rise of Libertarian Centrism

jeffbr said:

cottagesteeze said:

jeffbr said:

Johnson's values are not perfectly aligned to libertarians. He's a pragmatist. He pisses off Libertarians when he favors carbon taxes. There are many issues where he fails the Libertarian purity test. Not sure where you're seeing him perfectly aligned. He and Weld, both former Republican governors, have been taking a bunch of flak from the LP faithful. Anyway, I'll be voting for Johnson. Trump is crazy, and I wouldn't trust Hillary for a second. Johnson most closely aligns with my politics, but not to the extent that I'd like. I wish we had great choices. Instead we have to figure out which candidate will do the least amount of harm. I think that is Johnson. And I'm not sure what problem the above poster has with freedom, but if freedom troubles you there are alternatives available.

So because he favors one thing that a standard libertarian wouldn't, that makes him a bad libertarian? Isn't that expected? I don't think once you get appointed as the libertarian candidate that you are supposed to drop your personal views to COMPLETELY align to the party. How would the parties ever change if that was the case? IMO he is a perfect libertarian, he has fairly conservative economic views, he has liberal social views, and he wants a very small central gov't. Isn't that the base of the libertarian party?

I don't claim to be libertarian, and I don't support Johnson, so i could be totally off. but as a 3rd party this is how I view it. I was all hyped up about Johnson when I was a sophomore in college last election cycle, but have since realized many of his policies do not align with my views.

Fair enough. As I said, he doesn't perfectly align with my views either, but is the closest candidate out there. What you described above (social liberal, fiscal conservative) used to describe a liberal faction of the Republican party and a conservative faction of the Democratic Party as well. That description shouldn't have to be exclusive to libertarians. And that description aligns with what I'm looking for. These days both major parties continue to grow the size and scope of a centralized federal government, increase debt, relish deficit spending, and whittle away at our liberties. I'd like to see those trends reverse at some point.

Anyway, my main point in my previous response is that Johnson really isn't a true Libertarian (upper case L), and really isn't "perfectly aligned". Sure, he is aligned based on the very broad description you provided, but not aligned along the party platform, and that has true Libertarians holding their noses. But that's fine with me because hard core Libertarians are unrelenting in their belief in Utopia. For an interesting perspective about the centrist role they're taking, check this out: Gary Johnson and the Rise of Libertarian Centrism

That article is interesting and is somewhat hard for me to follow as it was written by someone who feels the reader is a hardcore libertarian already. Being as I learned libertarian-ism from GJ in prior years, maybe my view of what libertarian-ism is quite skewed towards him. Either way, I don't agree with it!

Amazing that the media lets Clinton and Trump lie away and when someone is honest, they are immediately disqualified to be POTUS.

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

Amazing that the media lets Clinton and Trump lie away and when someone is honest, they are immediately disqualified to be POTUS.

When they're honest about how they don't know the basics when it comes to Seria and what's happening with ISIS? I think that matters. Anyway, Johnson isn't becoming President in any case. He knows it and we know it. He's just using this election to further his own political standing.

I feel the other two goombas have had much greater gaffes and the media doesn't declare them unfit to serve. Plus, military expansion isn't high on his to-do list.

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

Amazing that the media lets Clinton and Trump lie away and when someone is honest, they are immediately disqualified to be POTUS.

When they're honest about how they don't know the basics when it comes to Seria and what's happening with ISIS? I think that matters. Anyway, Johnson isn't becoming President in any case. He knows it and we know it. He's just using this election to further his own political standing.

I feel the other two goombas have had much greater gaffes and the media doesn't declare them unfit to serve. Plus, military expansion isn't high on his to-do list.

Sorry? You don't think the media has declared Trump and Clinton unfit to serve?????? Have you been avoiding the media for the past 4 months?

There were / are media outlets that will defend or deflate any piece of monkey poop that flies out of Trump or Clinton. The knives came out for Johnson across the media spectrum.

Have u been avoiding the media for the past 4 months??????? (ha ... one more ?, sucka)