Terrorist Shooting In Orlando, FL

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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Godfather. said:

    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:

    the only thing we can do is rid ourselves of these people in our country.

    Godfather.


    As this was missed last time, and as you keep bringing this 'solution' up, I'd genuinely be interested to see how you would answer these questions...
    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:


    how else would we get a handle on the terrorism committed by "home grown muslims" ?

    Godfather.

    Just to play devil's advocate for a second... Suppose that the US gave in to all the hate-filled propaganda being thrown around about deporting Muslims:

    1. Where do you suggest 3 million people should go? Before you say "back to where they came from", remember you are also including American-born Muslims in this

    2. How do you propose they get there? Will the US foot the bill for mass migration?

    3. If (again, devil's advocate), all 3 million people are a danger to the rest of us, what gives the US the right to force that problem onto another country? "We have decided that these people are dangerous, they're your problem now. See ya!"

    4. Who's next? Once the Muslims are all gone, who do you deport next? How many others have to go for you to create your perfect country?
    1) back to the country of their parental origin.
    2) yes, and worth every penny but those who have money will be buying their own ticket.
    3) look at my answer for question # 1
    4) any person who enters the United States illegally.

    ahhhhh that was fun ! what else ya got ?

    Godfather.
    So just to clarify, you believe that any American Muslim (born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    good grief......

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:

    the only thing we can do is rid ourselves of these people in our country.

    Godfather.


    As this was missed last time, and as you keep bringing this 'solution' up, I'd genuinely be interested to see how you would answer these questions...
    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:


    how else would we get a handle on the terrorism committed by "home grown muslims" ?

    Godfather.

    Just to play devil's advocate for a second... Suppose that the US gave in to all the hate-filled propaganda being thrown around about deporting Muslims:

    1. Where do you suggest 3 million people should go? Before you say "back to where they came from", remember you are also including American-born Muslims in this

    2. How do you propose they get there? Will the US foot the bill for mass migration?

    3. If (again, devil's advocate), all 3 million people are a danger to the rest of us, what gives the US the right to force that problem onto another country? "We have decided that these people are dangerous, they're your problem now. See ya!"

    4. Who's next? Once the Muslims are all gone, who do you deport next? How many others have to go for you to create your perfect country?
    1) back to the country of their parental origin.
    2) yes, and worth every penny but those who have money will be buying their own ticket.
    3) look at my answer for question # 1
    4) any person who enters the United States illegally.

    ahhhhh that was fun ! what else ya got ?

    Godfather.
    So just to clarify, you believe that any American Muslim (born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
    so are you a nubee who's offended by a post ?......get in line buddy.

    Godfather.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Godfather. said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:

    the only thing we can do is rid ourselves of these people in our country.

    Godfather.


    As this was missed last time, and as you keep bringing this 'solution' up, I'd genuinely be interested to see how you would answer these questions...
    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:


    how else would we get a handle on the terrorism committed by "home grown muslims" ?

    Godfather.

    Just to play devil's advocate for a second... Suppose that the US gave in to all the hate-filled propaganda being thrown around about deporting Muslims:

    1. Where do you suggest 3 million people should go? Before you say "back to where they came from", remember you are also including American-born Muslims in this

    2. How do you propose they get there? Will the US foot the bill for mass migration?

    3. If (again, devil's advocate), all 3 million people are a danger to the rest of us, what gives the US the right to force that problem onto another country? "We have decided that these people are dangerous, they're your problem now. See ya!"

    4. Who's next? Once the Muslims are all gone, who do you deport next? How many others have to go for you to create your perfect country?
    1) back to the country of their parental origin.
    2) yes, and worth every penny but those who have money will be buying their own ticket.
    3) look at my answer for question # 1
    4) any person who enters the United States illegally.

    ahhhhh that was fun ! what else ya got ?

    Godfather.
    So just to clarify, you believe that any American Muslim (born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
    so are you a nubee who's offended by a post ?......get in line buddy.

    Godfather.
    It was a legitimate question asking for clarification.
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    edited June 2016
    Godfather. said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:

    the only thing we can do is rid ourselves of these people in our country.

    Godfather.


    As this was missed last time, and as you keep bringing this 'solution' up, I'd genuinely be interested to see how you would answer these questions...
    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:


    how else would we get a handle on the terrorism committed by "home grown muslims" ?

    Godfather.

    Just to play devil's advocate for a second... Suppose that the US gave in to all the hate-filled propaganda being thrown around about deporting Muslims:

    1. Where do you suggest 3 million people should go? Before you say "back to where they came from", remember you are also including American-born Muslims in this

    2. How do you propose they get there? Will the US foot the bill for mass migration?

    3. If (again, devil's advocate), all 3 million people are a danger to the rest of us, what gives the US the right to force that problem onto another country? "We have decided that these people are dangerous, they're your problem now. See ya!"

    4. Who's next? Once the Muslims are all gone, who do you deport next? How many others have to go for you to create your perfect country?
    1) back to the country of their parental origin.
    2) yes, and worth every penny but those who have money will be buying their own ticket.
    3) look at my answer for question # 1
    4) any person who enters the United States illegally.

    ahhhhh that was fun ! what else ya got ?

    Godfather.
    So just to clarify, you believe that any American Muslim (born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
    so are you a nubee who's offended by a post ?......get in line buddy.

    Godfather.
    Jesus you're sensitive, I simply asked for clarification. I have been following this thread from the beginning so am familiar with your general position, I just wanted to be 100% clear on what you're suggesting
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Godfather. said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:

    the only thing we can do is rid ourselves of these people in our country.

    Godfather.


    As this was missed last time, and as you keep bringing this 'solution' up, I'd genuinely be interested to see how you would answer these questions...
    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:


    how else would we get a handle on the terrorism committed by "home grown muslims" ?

    Godfather.

    Just to play devil's advocate for a second... Suppose that the US gave in to all the hate-filled propaganda being thrown around about deporting Muslims:

    1. Where do you suggest 3 million people should go? Before you say "back to where they came from", remember you are also including American-born Muslims in this

    2. How do you propose they get there? Will the US foot the bill for mass migration?

    3. If (again, devil's advocate), all 3 million people are a danger to the rest of us, what gives the US the right to force that problem onto another country? "We have decided that these people are dangerous, they're your problem now. See ya!"

    4. Who's next? Once the Muslims are all gone, who do you deport next? How many others have to go for you to create your perfect country?
    1) back to the country of their parental origin.
    2) yes, and worth every penny but those who have money will be buying their own ticket.
    3) look at my answer for question # 1
    4) any person who enters the United States illegally.

    ahhhhh that was fun ! what else ya got ?

    Godfather.
    So just to clarify, you believe that any American Muslim (born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
    so are you a nubee who's offended by a post ?......get in line buddy.

    Godfather.
    A "nubee"? The guy's got 2,000 posts on this site, no need for elitism. He simply asked for clarification, and I'm personally curious about the same: do you believe that any American (i.e. a Muslim born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    and vice versa ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    benjs said:

    Godfather. said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:

    the only thing we can do is rid ourselves of these people in our country.

    Godfather.


    As this was missed last time, and as you keep bringing this 'solution' up, I'd genuinely be interested to see how you would answer these questions...
    goldrush said:

    Godfather. said:


    how else would we get a handle on the terrorism committed by "home grown muslims" ?

    Godfather.

    Just to play devil's advocate for a second... Suppose that the US gave in to all the hate-filled propaganda being thrown around about deporting Muslims:

    1. Where do you suggest 3 million people should go? Before you say "back to where they came from", remember you are also including American-born Muslims in this

    2. How do you propose they get there? Will the US foot the bill for mass migration?

    3. If (again, devil's advocate), all 3 million people are a danger to the rest of us, what gives the US the right to force that problem onto another country? "We have decided that these people are dangerous, they're your problem now. See ya!"

    4. Who's next? Once the Muslims are all gone, who do you deport next? How many others have to go for you to create your perfect country?
    1) back to the country of their parental origin.
    2) yes, and worth every penny but those who have money will be buying their own ticket.
    3) look at my answer for question # 1
    4) any person who enters the United States illegally.

    ahhhhh that was fun ! what else ya got ?

    Godfather.
    So just to clarify, you believe that any American Muslim (born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
    so are you a nubee who's offended by a post ?......get in line buddy.

    Godfather.
    A "nubee"? The guy's got 2,000 posts on this site, no need for elitism. He simply asked for clarification, and I'm personally curious about the same: do you believe that any American (i.e. a Muslim born in America) with non-American parents should be deported?
    Oh did the 'nubee' comment really refer to my post count? How tragic :tongue:
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    GF...

    You are way off base, man.

    You've taken a disturbing turn for the worse. As much as you tried to justify your opinion as legitimate as anyone else's... it's not. It's extremism at best and saddening to hear from you.

    I've defended you many times and vouched for what I think is your true character, but this latest revelation is indefensible. I still like you, but I hate your viewpoint.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    and vice versa ;)
    not true. no one is taking away all your guns. if the US wants to be stricter about immigration laws/checks, so be it, as long as it's not racially profiling. that would be the equivalent.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    GF...

    You are way off base, man.

    You've taken a disturbing turn for the worse. As much as you tried to justify your opinion as legitimate as anyone else's... it's not. It's extremism at best and saddening to hear from you.

    I've defended you many times and vouched for what I think is your true character, but this latest revelation is indefensible. I still like you, but I hate your viewpoint.

    What we’ve got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it; well, he gets it. I don’t like it any more than you men.


    GF, what you've proposed on here to rid this country of Muslims is disturbing, it's it's not feasible, it's not legal, it's immoral, and callousness in which this solution was thought up is truly worrisome.

    What if these Muslim families refuse to leave or don't have the means to leave this country what would be done then?

    Would love to hear bad brains view on all of this or maybe not.

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    GF...

    You are way off base, man.

    You've taken a disturbing turn for the worse. As much as you tried to justify your opinion as legitimate as anyone else's... it's not. It's extremism at best and saddening to hear from you.

    I've defended you many times and vouched for what I think is your true character, but this latest revelation is indefensible. I still like you, but I hate your viewpoint.

    ummm I'll give that some thought, thank you.

    Godfather.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Godfather. said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    GF...

    You are way off base, man.

    You've taken a disturbing turn for the worse. As much as you tried to justify your opinion as legitimate as anyone else's... it's not. It's extremism at best and saddening to hear from you.

    I've defended you many times and vouched for what I think is your true character, but this latest revelation is indefensible. I still like you, but I hate your viewpoint.

    ummm I'll give that some thought, thank you.

    Godfather.

    Peace brother!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    I don't recall the 1st am saying anything about the rights of non Americans.

    Godfather.

  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    I don't recall the 1st am saying anything about the rights of non Americans.

    Godfather.

    and in your eyes someone who is born in America and has never lived in any other country....can be designated a non-American, simply because their parents were born in a different country?
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    I don't recall the 1st am saying anything about the rights of non Americans.

    Godfather.

    and in your eyes someone who is born in America and has never lived in any other country....can be designated a non-American, simply because their parents were born in a different country?
    Nope
    Just because they are a Muslim
    Or have darker skin then gf
    Or have a funny name
    Or believe in a different form of a "god"
    And so on and so forth
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    I don't recall the 1st am saying anything about the rights of non Americans.

    Godfather.

    and in your eyes someone who is born in America and has never lived in any other country....can be designated a non-American, simply because their parents were born in a different country?
    I m pretty sure when you pledge your allegiance to a terrorist organization that is at war with the United states you instantly lose your citizenship.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    mcgruff10 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    I don't recall the 1st am saying anything about the rights of non Americans.

    Godfather.

    and in your eyes someone who is born in America and has never lived in any other country....can be designated a non-American, simply because their parents were born in a different country?
    I m pretty sure when you pledge your allegiance to a terrorist organization that is at war with the United states you instantly lose your citizenship.
    I'm pretty sure he's not suggesting only deporting those who have pledged allegiance to a terrorist organisation
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited June 2016
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    it's so ironic to me that people who stand so staunchly behind their second ammendment rights don't seem to give a fuck about the first.

    I don't recall the 1st am saying anything about the rights of non Americans.

    Godfather.

    and in your eyes someone who is born in America and has never lived in any other country....can be designated a non-American, simply because their parents were born in a different country?
    I m pretty sure when you pledge your allegiance to a terrorist organization that is at war with the United states you instantly lose your citizenship.
    I'm pretty sure he's not suggesting only deporting those who have pledged allegiance to a terrorist organisation
    I'm more than pretty sure of the same. GF has very clearly indicated multiple times that he doesn't want Muslims in America. He didn't just mean non-Americans, he didn't just mean Muslims with terrorist leanings. He wants all Muslims out of America and he wants all Muslims locked out of America (i think he seems less sure about how in the hell this could be done, but he wants it). He has specifically said this more than once. I don't understand the desire to try and minimize his statements. Is it because they are just so totally uncomfortable that people can't even believe someone could really think it?

    Is that true about instantly losing citizenship if you swear allegiance to a terrorist organization???? Or did you mean figuratively? That doesn't sound right.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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