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jeffbr · June 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.

g under p · June 2016

jeffbr said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.
Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.

As it has been stated in both posts above Disney needed to warn their visitors of ANY POSSIBLE dangers that could be lurking unknowingly in and out of that lagoon. They did not do so, therefore they WILL have to settle with this family as quietly as possible. Why because now every visitor that is attending parks on the Disney property probably knows of this tragedy and is expecting them to do the right thing for this FOREVER grieving family. Otherwise they may not want to return or flat out boycott visit any of their theme parks for some time going forward.

Peace

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

honestly, I'm a little fucking nervous about taking my girls there this winter. I had zero idea alligators roamed freely through the fucking park.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:
honestly, I'm a little fucking nervous about taking my girls there this winter. I had zero idea alligators roamed freely through the fucking park.

I guess your timing couldn't be better (in a macabre kind of way). Disney will likely really step it up in terms of alligator safety and awareness between now and your trip.

g under p · June 2016

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
honestly, I'm a little fucking nervous about taking my girls there this winter. I had zero idea alligators roamed freely through the fucking park.
I guess your timing couldn't be better (in a macabre kind of way). Disney will likely really step it up in terms of alligator safety and awareness between now and your trip.

I would agree with that HOWEVER it takes a tragedy of epic proportions for that family for Disney to step the security of their theme parks. By the time you get there this winter they'll probably have armed guards at all of their warteways etc.

Peace

lukin2006 · June 2016

Is this the first alligator incidence at Disney Florida? It's the first I have heard of. So either way it's far from common anywhere to have an incident like this.

lukin2006 · June 2016

I have read that Florida is home to 1 million gators, if that is correct then this is a species to admire ... Unlike many animals when's human over populate an area the either leave or die but not the alligator, it has survived. The only way Disney can be reasonably sure it'll never happen again is to fill in the lagoons on their property.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

lukin2006 said:
I have read that Florida is home to 1 million gators, if that is correct then this is a species to admire ... Unlike many animals when's human over populate an area the either leave or die but not the alligator, it has survived. The only way Disney can be reasonably sure it'll never happen again is to fill in the lagoons on their property.

That's because they live and breed on land that usually can't be developed. It's tough to put up high rises on a swamp. As soon as it somehow becomes affordable to do so, though, a lot of the alligators will probably disappear pretty quickly.

lolobugg · June 2016

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
honestly, I'm a little fucking nervous about taking my girls there this winter. I had zero idea alligators roamed freely through the fucking park.
I guess your timing couldn't be better (in a macabre kind of way). Disney will likely really step it up in terms of alligator safety and awareness between now and your trip.

my daughter is there this week. about as safe as you can get now. and hope it stays that way.
money talks when it comes to Disney. they like to make it, not lose it in lawsuits.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

This incident has absolutely zero bearing on my thoughts about taking my kids to Disneyworld.
Zero.
The second I have the magic number saved up we are there faster than you can say Mickey.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

Yeah, I wouldn't go to Disneyworld feeling scared of alligators... but I might keep more of an eye out for them, not for safety's sake, but for the novelty of seeing an alligator at Disneyworld, lol.

lukin2006 · June 2016

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
I have read that Florida is home to 1 million gators, if that is correct then this is a species to admire ... Unlike many animals when's human over populate an area the either leave or die but not the alligator, it has survived. The only way Disney can be reasonably sure it'll never happen again is to fill in the lagoons on their property.
That's because they live and breed on land that usually can't be developed. It's tough to put up high rises on a swamp. As soon as it somehow becomes affordable to do so, though, a lot of the alligators will probably disappear pretty quickly.

Disney is built on swamp as is much of Orlando...aa is much of Florida, so yes people have managed to build very successfully on swamp ... to the detriment of society, but its done all over Florida. Disney is like 40 Sq miles in size, built on swamp and sinkholes.

So yes people are building on swamp land and yet the gators are there.

lukin2006 · June 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
This incident has absolutely zero bearing on my thoughts about taking my kids to Disneyworld.
Zero.
The second I have the magic number saved up we are there faster than you can say Mickey.

Been to Florida numerous times...alligators wouldn't stop me and abviuosly haven't...I have seen them on every trip I've been on there and I've never really been looking for them.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
I have read that Florida is home to 1 million gators, if that is correct then this is a species to admire ... Unlike many animals when's human over populate an area the either leave or die but not the alligator, it has survived. The only way Disney can be reasonably sure it'll never happen again is to fill in the lagoons on their property.
That's because they live and breed on land that usually can't be developed. It's tough to put up high rises on a swamp. As soon as it somehow becomes affordable to do so, though, a lot of the alligators will probably disappear pretty quickly.
Disney is built on swamp as is much of Orlando...aa is much of Florida, so yes people have managed to build very successfully on swamp ... to the detriment of society, but its done all over Florida. Disney is like 40 Sq miles in size, built on swamp and sinkholes.

So yes people are building on swamp land and yet the gators are there.

Is there not a tons of swamp land that has not been developed but otherwise would be? I believe so. I didn't say it wasn't possible. I said it was more expensive. The point is that if Florida could be more easily and more affordably developed, and people encroached on way more of the natural habitat, alligators would not be so numerous. Humans would have culled them.

lukin2006 · June 2016

^^^florida dosent need more people ...

PJ_Soul · June 2016

lukin2006 said:
^^^florida dosent need more people ...

Lol, that's true.

g under p · June 2016

lukin2006 said:
^^^florida dosent need more people ...

It is growing at a rapid rate indeed. I first came here 10 years ago for work half a year then permanently 6 years ago the traffic alone has increased exponentially. Starting in October to early May we deal with northerners (I shouldn't say that with me being from MA/MD) from all over the country and Canada. During that winter season it appears as though there's as many out of state plates as they're Floridians. However, they bring in lots of business for me and places like Disney bank on those out of towners for their business.

That's a good time to see gators as they frequently leave the waterways to warm themselves in the sun's heat.

Peace

FoxyRedLa · June 2016

Have any witnesses

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
I have read that Florida is home to 1 million gators, if that is correct then this is a species to admire ... Unlike many animals when's human over populate an area the either leave or die but not the alligator, it has survived. The only way Disney can be reasonably sure it'll never happen again is to fill in the lagoons on their property.
That's because they live and breed on land that usually can't be developed. It's tough to put up high rises on a swamp. As soon as it somehow becomes affordable to do so, though, a lot of the alligators will probably disappear pretty quickly.
Disney is built on swamp as is much of Orlando...aa is much of Florida, so yes people have managed to build very successfully on swamp ... to the detriment of society, but its done all over Florida. Disney is like 40 Sq miles in size, built on swamp and sinkholes.

So yes people are building on swamp land and yet the gators are there.

Sink holes

like buildings will some day sink! Like quick sand!!! Please tell me no.

lukin2006 · June 2016

g under p said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^florida dosent need more people ...
It is growing at a rapid rate indeed. I first came here 10 years ago for work half a year then permanently 6 years ago the traffic alone has increased exponentially. Starting in October to early May we deal with northerners (I shouldn't say that with me being from MA/MD) from all over the country and Canada. During that winter season it appears as though there's as many out of state plates as they're Floridians. However, they bring in lots of business for me and places like Disney bank on those out of towners for their business.

That's a good time to see gators as they frequently leave the waterways to warm themselves in the sun's heat.

Peace

Definitely ... I've been many times as a respectful tourist, but really like the keys.

cincybearcat · June 2016

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