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PJ_Soul · June 2016

I thought the kid was ankle deep? That's not swimming. Also, alligators actually can walk on land. There is nothing stopping them from lunging out of the water and grabbing someone standing completely on land at the edge of these ponds. A no swimming sign is not even close to adequate.

Merkin Baller · June 2016

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/19/disneys-liability-prior-knowledge-questioned/86036062/

"“If they have a knowledge of (alligators’ presence), they have to pass it onto customers. If they failed to do so, it’s considered negligence, or failure to conduct yourself in a reasonable manner. What a reasonable person would do,” says Frank Branson, a trial attorney in Dallas."

"Citing “an insider,” TheWrap, a media industry publication, reported Wednesday that Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort was aware of an ongoing problem of guests feeding alligators and had ignored staff requests to put protective fences in place. The Polynesian Village Resort is adjacent to the Grand Floridian and a short walk along the Seven Seas Lagoon, where the alligator attacked the boy."

""If you can’t swim there, why put a beach there? The sign says one thing, but the appearance says another.”"

"That Disney’s resorts are populated by out-of-staters who are unfamiliar with alligators should also have been considered in warnings and signage, Shiner says. “In Florida, we know not to jump in,” he says."

I believe in personal responsibility, but in this case Disney fucked up big time.

It doesn't take a genius to come to this conclusion.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · June 2016

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"

hedonist · June 2016

Accidental tourists, we are.

Ultimately, my heart goes out to the parents and how they must be....well, how they must be.

oftenreading · June 2016

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"

Those parents will be regretting their decision to the end of their days, but that isn't evidence that they were wrong. They would be regretting whatever action might possibly have led to their child's death, even if it were as innocuous as walking down a sidewalk that happened to be where a speeding driver plowed into them.

Gern Blansten · June 2016

callen said:

pjhawks said:
what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.

people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.
People putting some blame on parents are idiots???

It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .

Sorry natural section. Cold as it sounds.

Wow....so it's the kids fault? If you are using the natural selection argument you have to blame the kid.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

Gern Blansten said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:
what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.

people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.
People putting some blame on parents are idiots???

It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .

Sorry natural section. Cold as it sounds.

Wow....so it's the kids fault? If you are using the natural selection argument you have to blame the kid.

that was my comment too. not responded to.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

PJ_Soul said:
I thought the kid was ankle deep? That's not swimming. Also, alligators actually can walk on land. There is nothing stopping them from lunging out of the water and grabbing someone standing completely on land at the edge of these ponds. A no swimming sign is not even close to adequate.

exactly.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"

harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.

Shawshank · June 2016

I lived in Florida for a while, and yes alligators are everywhere. Nothing like a traffic jam on Dale Mabry in Tampa because some big ass alligator is crossing the road. One of the weirder experiences I had there.

Anyway, the fact is this is a horrible accident. I do believe both parties hold some responsibility. The parents definitely made a dumb move that resulted in a horrific incident that is just beyond my imagination. And if Disney knew guests were feeding alligators or guests had been threatened/chased by them in the past, then they are going to have to write a big check if they didn't post warnings for that.

I highly doubt any sane parent with one or two marbles rolling around would have let their kid touch the water, especially at night, had there been sufficient warnings for actual alligator activity. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Just sucks all around.

rustneversleeps · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.

not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....

Thirty Bills Unpaid · June 2016

They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....

the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?

rustneversleeps · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....
the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?

why so sensitive? the granolas getting deep around here, eh?...

Thirty Bills Unpaid · June 2016

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....
the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?
why so sensitive? the granolas getting deep around here, eh?...

Well a hyuk hyuk and a gawlee to you too. Not to mention a free voucher to the Golden Corral.

Lol.

rustneversleeps · June 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....
the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?
why so sensitive? the granolas getting deep around here, eh?...
Well a hyuk hyuk and a gawlee to you too. Not to mention a free voucher to the Golden Corral.

Lol.

thanks for the voucher, eh!

Thirty Bills Unpaid · June 2016

rustneversleeps said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....
the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?
why so sensitive? the granolas getting deep around here, eh?...
Well a hyuk hyuk and a gawlee to you too. Not to mention a free voucher to the Golden Corral.

Lol.
thanks for the voucher, eh!

Lol

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....
the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?
why so sensitive? the granolas getting deep around here, eh?...

because stupidity annoys me.

rustneversleeps · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?

I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
not in florida, i havent dangled my toes in any lake. maybe in manitoba, eh....
the constant "eh" comment to Canadians is about as lazy and unintelligent a "slur" an american can muster. you do know that, right?
why so sensitive? the granolas getting deep around here, eh?...
because stupidity annoys me.

me too, eh... stupidity and radlibs.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · June 2016

I went to Golden Corral once. It did not agree with my stomach and I did diarrhea very soon after.

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