Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

Godfather. said:

Jason P said:

Godfather. said:

disagree, I agree there should be some laws and back ground checks but have you done the home work to get a fully automatic gun ??? pretty spendy.

Godfather.

And how many mass shootings have occurred due to an automatic gun?????????

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automatic weapons are already illegal to own unless you do a mountain of paper work and a huge fee not to mention an additional back ground check but that aside mass killing don't happen due to automatic weapons they occur do to people and if a nut case wants to kill he/she will find a way, a little history should tell you that....on top of all that I think this auto gun show is a bunch of bullshit used as a distraction by the government and the media.

Godfather.

You are right. Not using correct language is not going to help the debate as to what should or should not be legal. If you want to take guns away, at least know what kind of fucking gun you are talking about. No wonder people are against gun laws created by liberal politicians. In CO, they accidentally made one of the most popular shotguns illegal due to poor definitions as to what they were really trying to restrict. Godfather is right, there's a major differences between semi-auto (one trigger pull one bullet) and automatic (one trigger pull multi bullets). If someone had taken a true "automatic" gun in there such as an M249(SAW) or M60, the death toll would have been closer to 250. Rhetoric matters. Same thing with clips vs magazines. At the very least research what gun components exactly you want to make illegal if you want to be taken seriously.

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

I also have the right not to be killed by your guns. The unalienable right to life. That trumps your second amendment.

nothing trumps our 2nd amendment stop being paranoid.

Godfather.

Actually, my right to not die does trump your second amendment. There are many exceptions that Trump many amendments.

Legit question....I have often wondered this same thing. How can someone's 2nd amendment right be more important than my right to safety, security, life, and liberty? Every time we have a mass shooting, every time I see another person murdered in my city, I wonder when enough will be enough. I don't want to take your guns away but I really think we need to enact some common sense rules.

So, real question to those of you that support the 2nd amendment....where does your 2nd amendment rights end and my right to life and liberty begin?

lolobugg said:

There was no such thing as an "assault" or semi-automatic weapon when the 2nd amendment was written. remember that.

and there was only a printing press when the first amendment was written.

mace1229 said:

Free said:

pjalive21 said:

Free said:

There are 2 uses for assault weapons.

1. Target practice
2. To kill

If you're not going to the shooting range why would one own an assault weapon?

You just contradicted your own vote...target practice is enough of a reason

And how many people with "collections" actually go to target practice?

I would think almost everyone. I have a gun collection and have only ever used any of them for target practice/sport. Same with everyone I know who owns a gun, And with the exception of those in military or law enforcement, target practice is just for fun and not any sort of tactical training. I don't know anyone with a gun collection who doesn't go out and shoot them every once in a while, except maybe those who inherited a couple 100 year old family relics and wouldn't even know how to shoot them, but that's hardly a gun collection in my opinion.

This is not accurate to situations beyond your group in your region.
All across the Midwest there are at least hundreds of thousands of gun owners with huge caches that never see the light of day, many of these folks wouldn't even admit to owning anything more than a .22LR or shotgun. People have dozens of guns and they sit and wait for the zombie apocalypse, maybe they go out and shoot at rocks and trees from time to time, but they aren't logging range time or wasting their precious bullets lol

PJPOWER said:

riotgrl said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

I also have the right not to be killed by your guns. The unalienable right to life. That trumps your second amendment.

nothing trumps our 2nd amendment stop being paranoid.

Godfather.

Actually, my right to not die does trump your second amendment. There are many exceptions that Trump many amendments.

Legit question....I have often wondered this same thing. How can someone's 2nd amendment right be more important than my right to safety, security, life, and liberty? Every time we have a mass shooting, every time I see another person murdered in my city, I wonder when enough will be enough. I don't want to take your guns away but I really think we need to enact some common sense rules.

So, real question to those of you that support the 2nd amendment....where does your 2nd amendment rights end and my right to life and liberty begin?

The 2nd is all about liberty and being able to choose how you want to protect your life, security, liberty, belongings, etc.

It's about your liberty because you choose guns. If I choose to not own a gun then I am at your mercy. I have to hope that you are a responsible, sane gun owner.

True story. I love my parents with all my heart but they should not have guns in their home. One with untreated PTSD (thanks, Vietnam War) and one with untreated depression. However, both are easily cleared, under current laws, to buy whatever gun they want. That infringes on my liberty.

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

Free said:

pjalive21 said:

Free said:

There are 2 uses for assault weapons.

1. Target practice
2. To kill

If you're not going to the shooting range why would one own an assault weapon?

You just contradicted your own vote...target practice is enough of a reason

And how many people with "collections" actually go to target practice?

I would think almost everyone. I have a gun collection and have only ever used any of them for target practice/sport. Same with everyone I know who owns a gun, And with the exception of those in military or law enforcement, target practice is just for fun and not any sort of tactical training. I don't know anyone with a gun collection who doesn't go out and shoot them every once in a while, except maybe those who inherited a couple 100 year old family relics and wouldn't even know how to shoot them, but that's hardly a gun collection in my opinion.

This is not accurate to situations beyond your group in your region.
All across the Midwest there are at least hundreds of thousands of gun owners with huge caches that never see the light of day, many of these folks wouldn't even admit to owning anything more than a .22LR or shotgun. People have dozens of guns and they sit and wait for the zombie apocalypse, maybe they go out and shoot at rocks and trees from time to time, but they aren't logging range time or wasting their precious bullets lol

Then why is it so hard to find range space? You would be surprised how many people ARE very proficient...at least in Texas. Most of rural Texas is agricultural and we were raised and taught to hunt and shoot very well. I cannot speak for other places. 4H, Boy Scouts and many other organizations teach accuracy and gun safety all around the country. 3gun competitions are gaining interests especially in the female populace. Maybe there are some out there buying guns to put in their closet, but there are plenty out there at the range as well.

rgambs said:

I suppose the difference there is that you can't shoot rifles safely without hills to shoot into, and most of Texas is miserably flat lol

Still though, the number of paranoid horders is much much higher than most people (particularly city folk) would ever guess.

You're probably right about the cities. As far at Texas being flat, the prairies are probably where you would find the most long range shooters. There are miles and miles of open grassland. There is a reason that there are not many bow hunters on the grasslands. You have to be a good aim to hunt there where the average shot is 400-500 yards.

HughFreakingDillon said:

riotgrl said:

PJPOWER said:

riotgrl said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

I also have the right not to be killed by your guns. The unalienable right to life. That trumps your second amendment.

nothing trumps our 2nd amendment stop being paranoid.

Godfather.

Actually, my right to not die does trump your second amendment. There are many exceptions that Trump many amendments.

Legit question....I have often wondered this same thing. How can someone's 2nd amendment right be more important than my right to safety, security, life, and liberty? Every time we have a mass shooting, every time I see another person murdered in my city, I wonder when enough will be enough. I don't want to take your guns away but I really think we need to enact some common sense rules.

So, real question to those of you that support the 2nd amendment....where does your 2nd amendment rights end and my right to life and liberty begin?

The 2nd is all about liberty and being able to choose how you want to protect your life, security, liberty, belongings, etc.

It's about your liberty because you choose guns. If I choose to not own a gun then I am at your mercy. I have to hope that you are a responsible, sane gun owner.

True story. I love my parents with all my heart but they should not have guns in their home. One with untreated PTSD (thanks, Vietnam War) and one with untreated depression. However, both are easily cleared, under current laws, to buy whatever gun they want. That infringes on my liberty.

well, it doesn't, unfortuntalely, unless they turn that gun on you and fire it.

Exactly my point. I have to hope that I can get them help because I know the VA has done little to help my dad. Common sense gun laws and changes to our mental health system would go a long way. I don't believe that I should sit on my hands and pray that they keep it together. Action is the only way to help.

riotgrl said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

riotgrl said:

PJPOWER said:

riotgrl said:

Degeneratefk said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

I also have the right not to be killed by your guns. The unalienable right to life. That trumps your second amendment.

nothing trumps our 2nd amendment stop being paranoid.

Godfather.

Actually, my right to not die does trump your second amendment. There are many exceptions that Trump many amendments.

Legit question....I have often wondered this same thing. How can someone's 2nd amendment right be more important than my right to safety, security, life, and liberty? Every time we have a mass shooting, every time I see another person murdered in my city, I wonder when enough will be enough. I don't want to take your guns away but I really think we need to enact some common sense rules.

So, real question to those of you that support the 2nd amendment....where does your 2nd amendment rights end and my right to life and liberty begin?

The 2nd is all about liberty and being able to choose how you want to protect your life, security, liberty, belongings, etc.

It's about your liberty because you choose guns. If I choose to not own a gun then I am at your mercy. I have to hope that you are a responsible, sane gun owner.

True story. I love my parents with all my heart but they should not have guns in their home. One with untreated PTSD (thanks, Vietnam War) and one with untreated depression. However, both are easily cleared, under current laws, to buy whatever gun they want. That infringes on my liberty.

well, it doesn't, unfortuntalely, unless they turn that gun on you and fire it.

Exactly my point. I have to hope that I can get them help because I know the VA has done little to help my dad. Common sense gun laws and changes to our mental health system would go a long way. I don't believe that I should sit on my hands and pray that they keep it together. Action is the only way to help.

By that statement, I would hope that you are doing everything you could do to educate yourself and them about their conditions. Please do not wait on a government law or someone else to help them, no one will care about them enough to connect them to the right treatment or resources other than those close. It's all about taking personal responsibility. Life, liberty, happiness is all about personal effort, not some entity telling you how to live your life. You are right, action is the only way to help. I just believe individual action goes a lot further and is quicker than politician action. My heart is with you and your parents, I wish you the best!