Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

dignin
dignin Posts: 9,478
edited June 2016 in A Moving Train
Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons. 109 votes

Yes
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No
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
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    Automatic or semi-automatic? There is a difference. There is already a ban on "automatic" rifles. They can be obtained, but it takes a major process.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    They already are if that's your definition.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    We already ban automatic weapons from general public sale. If you're talking about semi-automatic firearms, then we'll need a bit more detail. Mag capacity, caliber, grip style, barrel length, etc... There are semi-auto, non-scary looking rifles that have legitimate hunting uses.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Yes
    Sorry my bad, I meant assault weapons...not rifle. Had that in my head for some reason.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
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    We need to focus more on the specific appointments and features than the specific weapons that package them.

    Essentially that would be a ban on assault rifles, but it would avoid the trifling arguments of the hobbyists.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
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    Get something that ALL the states could agree upon. People aren't going to give up their guns. Everyone needs to meet on some sort of common ground.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    rgambs said:

    We need to focus more on the specific appointments and features than the specific weapons that package them.

    Essentially that would be a ban on assault rifles, but it would avoid the trifling arguments of the hobbyists.

    I don't consider myself a hobbyist at this point. I don't have any desire to purchase a high capacity, large caliber, semi-auto sporting rifle at this point in my life. But the laws and regulations need to be written clearly because we've all seen gov't create unintended consequences for new initiatives. I just want to make sure that we aren't legislating against the look of a firearm, while allowing something more dangerous and less scary looking past, and vice versa. A .22 caliber scary looking semi auto doesn't concern me, but would that be covered in the assault weapons ban? A normal looking Ruger 10/22 .22 caliber rifle would clearly not be prohibited. What happens when someone changes out the stock/grip/magazine? Essentially the same rifle, same firing mechanism, same caliber, but now is scary looking. Is it now an assault weapon?
    I'm asking these questions not as a nitpicking hobbyist, but to make sure that when people are making proposals on prohibitions, we are crystal clear what is allowed and what is not. That is the only way we'll be able to enforce it.

    Legal under this ban?
    image

    Same gun. Still legal under the ban?
    image

    I like rgambs solution. Quit talking about the gun itself (AR-15 or whatever gun you don't like), and talk about those aspects or features that convert it from ordinary sporting use.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
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    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Yes
    No brainer
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    Yes
    of course
  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    Yes
    ban on handguns and assault weapons.
    the only point of these is to kill HUMANS.

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    Yes
    Yes that's the least we can do !!
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
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    rgambs said:

    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.

    Wrong, the top rifle also accepts the same magazines as the lower. And there is no such thing as accurate firing from the hip.
    And all that a person would have to do to make the top rifle into the bottom is change the stock. How exactly is that going to be stopped? Not to mention all a person would have to do to make the top one "more concealable" is saw off the stock to make it more akin to a pistol.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.

    Wrong, the top rifle also accepts the same magazines as the lower. And there is no such thing as accurate firing from the hip.
    And all that a person would have to do to make the top rifle into the bottom is change the stock. How exactly is that going to be stopped? Not to mention all a person would have to do to make the top one "more concealable" is saw off the stock to make it more akin to a pistol.
    I believe most "sawed off" guns are already illegal. I may be wrong.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited June 2016
    Yes
    There are 2 uses for assault weapons.

    1. Target practice
    2. To kill

    If you're not going to the shooting range why would one own an assault weapon?
    Post edited by Free on
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    Degeneratefk said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.

    Wrong, the top rifle also accepts the same magazines as the lower. And there is no such thing as accurate firing from the hip.
    And all that a person would have to do to make the top rifle into the bottom is change the stock. How exactly is that going to be stopped? Not to mention all a person would have to do to make the top one "more concealable" is saw off the stock to make it more akin to a pistol.
    I believe most "sawed off" guns are already illegal. I may be wrong.
    You are right, although that doesn't really stop a person from getting a hack saw and doing it.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.

    Wrong, the top rifle also accepts the same magazines as the lower. And there is no such thing as accurate firing from the hip.
    And all that a person would have to do to make the top rifle into the bottom is change the stock. How exactly is that going to be stopped? Not to mention all a person would have to do to make the top one "more concealable" is saw off the stock to make it more akin to a pistol.
    I believe most "sawed off" guns are already illegal. I may be wrong.
    You are right, although that doesn't really stop a person from getting a hack saw and doing it.
    Well by making murder illegal we haven't stopped murders. So what's your point?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
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    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.

    Wrong, the top rifle also accepts the same magazines as the lower. And there is no such thing as accurate firing from the hip.
    And all that a person would have to do to make the top rifle into the bottom is change the stock. How exactly is that going to be stopped? Not to mention all a person would have to do to make the top one "more concealable" is saw off the stock to make it more akin to a pistol.
    I believe most "sawed off" guns are already illegal. I may be wrong.
    You are right, although that doesn't really stop a person from getting a hack saw and doing it.
    Well by making murder illegal we haven't stopped murders. So what's your point?
    Murder is an act and a gun is an inanimate object. I'm all about harsh penalties for people that commit crimes with guns. Funny how people say "how can you compare guns to cars" and what not, yet you are comparing owning a gun to murder? I get that you want to turn ar-15 owners into felons, but come on...
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    Exactly, the rifle at top probably has a 14 round tube magazine that cannot be reloaded easily, quickly, or even at all under the direst of circumstances. It is unwieldy for crowded areas, can easily be grabbed, and is very hard to conceal.
    The same rifle, when converted to gun porn status, can fire thousands of rounds in tens of minutes. It is easily concealed to the point of the use, easily weildable in tight spaces, and can be fired accurately from the hip, making it a much more deadly weapon for mass casualty scenarios.

    Wrong, the top rifle also accepts the same magazines as the lower. And there is no such thing as accurate firing from the hip.
    And all that a person would have to do to make the top rifle into the bottom is change the stock. How exactly is that going to be stopped? Not to mention all a person would have to do to make the top one "more concealable" is saw off the stock to make it more akin to a pistol.
    I believe most "sawed off" guns are already illegal. I may be wrong.
    You are right, although that doesn't really stop a person from getting a hack saw and doing it.
    Well by making murder illegal we haven't stopped murders. So what's your point?
    Murder is an act and a gun is an inanimate object. I'm all about harsh penalties for people that commit crimes with guns. Funny how people say "how can you compare guns to cars" and what not, yet you are comparing owning a gun to murder? I get that you want to turn ar-15 owners into felons, but come on...
    You completely missed the point.

    I will put the analogy another way. We have made drinking underage illegal, kids still drink. We have made drunk driving illegal, people still drive drunk. So should we just say, FUCK IT! Some people are going to break laws so whats the point in having laws? No, we don't do that because were not idiots.

    Do you get it?
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,852
    Yes
    I don't understand who would need to/want to own such a thing unless there is some sort of wild compensation for something else that may be lacking or diminished in their lives and/or reproductive organs.

    Regardless. For now, we are too far down the rabbit hole. Cannot un-do the proliferation of these firearms overnight.

    I do think that the "leadership" in this country (looking at all those pigs who get the sweet NRA bribes and kickbacks) needs to get to the table in good faith and figure out ways to improve our system. It has to have some restrictions. I believe there does have to be a bit of effort, paperwork and training in order to own (any) gun and have that responsibility. These fucking things are in too many ignorant people's hands. Legally

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