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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    devil's advocate: EVERY species, if they were put in a position to choose their own or another, would choose their own EVERY SINGLE TIME. a gorilla wouldn't give a second thought to snapping the last human female in half if one of their babies was in danger.
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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    devil's advocate: EVERY species, if they were put in a position to choose their own or another, would choose their own EVERY SINGLE TIME. a gorilla wouldn't give a second thought to snapping the last human female in half if one of their babies was in danger.

    you would think, right? unless it was a radical, bleeding heart liberal gorilla.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Ledbetterman10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Question: same situation but the gorilla is the last known female in the world. Do you still take the shot?

    My answer would be no. I'm sure the kid's parents would disagree, but yeah, I do place the very existence of gorillas to outweigh the life of one child. Sorry kid.
    That is complete insanity to me.
    it's nowhere close to being insanity if you apply some objectivity ... do we understand the concept of biodiversity and ecosystems? ... do we understand what it means when we lose species on this planet? ...

    in any case - to those who are flabbergasted at the notion of sacrificing one child to save the last gorilla understand that the way we live our lives in north america condemn children around the world to death and suffering? ... that we, on a daily basis, make decisions that will impact children around the world without blinking an eye?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Question: same situation but the gorilla is the last known female in the world. Do you still take the shot?

    My answer would be no. I'm sure the kid's parents would disagree, but yeah, I do place the very existence of gorillas to outweigh the life of one child. Sorry kid.
    fully agree with you, pjsoul
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  • Jason P
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    The main thing is that gorillas can't file lawsuits.

    I wonder if all zoos have a hunter / warden like that one Australian dude from the first Jurassic Park movie?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?
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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    Jason P said:

    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?

    i'd guess 100%
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P said:

    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?

    The cynical side of me thinks so, but then again they said the boy is OK and they surely bear some responsibility in this. Really hope this isn't yet another waste of court time.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    what monsters gorillas are

    http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160531-how-violent-are-gorillas-really
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    hedonist said:

    Jason P said:

    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?

    The cynical side of me thinks so, but then again they said the boy is OK and they surely bear some responsibility in this. Really hope this isn't yet another waste of court time.
    They will and they will win. Plus, just think of how their lawyer will present the case ... all the emotional damage. The boy is scared for life. The parents getting death threat and having to quite their jobs and go into hiding as result of the zoo's negligence. The ambulance chasers will be lined up at their door and the zoo will probably settle before the case reaches a jury.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P said:

    hedonist said:

    Jason P said:

    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?

    The cynical side of me thinks so, but then again they said the boy is OK and they surely bear some responsibility in this. Really hope this isn't yet another waste of court time.
    They will and they will win. Plus, just think of how their lawyer will present the case ... all the emotional damage. The boy is scared for life. The parents getting death threat and having to quite their jobs and go into hiding as result of the zoo's negligence. The ambulance chasers will be lined up at their door and the zoo will probably settle before the case reaches a jury.
    the parents will likely not sue ... they will likely be happy that they don't get charged with child endangerment and/or not get sued by the zoo for the costs associated with having to kill the gorilla ...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    hedonist said:

    Jason P said:

    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?

    The cynical side of me thinks so, but then again they said the boy is OK and they surely bear some responsibility in this. Really hope this isn't yet another waste of court time.
    They will and they will win. Plus, just think of how their lawyer will present the case ... all the emotional damage. The boy is scared for life. The parents getting death threat and having to quite their jobs and go into hiding as result of the zoo's negligence. The ambulance chasers will be lined up at their door and the zoo will probably settle before the case reaches a jury.
    the parents will likely not sue ... they will likely be happy that they don't get charged with child endangerment and/or not get sued by the zoo for the costs associated with having to kill the gorilla ...
    I agree. they are already pariahs in the media.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    devil's advocate: EVERY species, if they were put in a position to choose their own or another, would choose their own EVERY SINGLE TIME. a gorilla wouldn't give a second thought to snapping the last human female in half if one of their babies was in danger.

    You're right ... The big difference is that kids mama was probably too hysterical to do anything, but reverse that role with the ape or most other animals and they immediately would jump into action and rescue their young.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    rustneversleeps said:

    lukin2006 said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Question: same situation but the gorilla is the last known female in the world. Do you still take the shot?

    My answer would be no. I'm sure the kid's parents would disagree, but yeah, I do place the very existence of gorillas to outweigh the life of one child. Sorry kid.
    absurd.
    Why is pjsoul opinion absurd ... We are only at the top of the food chain because we invented weapons ... And we annoited our selves decider of everything, destroyer of everything ... Yeah humans should be proud.
    youre right... should have just let the gorilla have its way with the kid. then we could create threads about how horrible America is for letting that happen. And America could then get another valuable lesson from canada, this time on zoo safety.

    the Libs around here make me laugh... and i'm fucking liberal as they come, so i thought. some around here are radicals.
    Not a liberal or anything ... I do appreciate animals for the value that they add to our existence...
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    hedonist said:

    Jason P said:

    Speaking of lawsuits, there is a 99.99% chance this family sues the zoo anyway, right?

    The cynical side of me thinks so, but then again they said the boy is OK and they surely bear some responsibility in this. Really hope this isn't yet another waste of court time.
    They will and they will win. Plus, just think of how their lawyer will present the case ... all the emotional damage. The boy is scared for life. The parents getting death threat and having to quite their jobs and go into hiding as result of the zoo's negligence. The ambulance chasers will be lined up at their door and the zoo will probably settle before the case reaches a jury.
    the parents will likely not sue ... they will likely be happy that they don't get charged with child endangerment and/or not get sued by the zoo for the costs associated with having to kill the gorilla ...
    Haha ... This is the states, wouldn't surprise me if both parties sued each other
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Question: same situation but the gorilla is the last known female in the world. Do you still take the shot?

    My answer would be no. I'm sure the kid's parents would disagree, but yeah, I do place the very existence of gorillas to outweigh the life of one child. Sorry kid.
    absurd.
    Why is pjsoul opinion absurd ... We are only at the top of the food chain because we invented weapons ... And we annoited our selves decider of everything, destroyer of everything ... Yeah humans should be proud.
    restneversleeps just likes to troll me now. It's a new thing.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    Ledbetterman10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Question: same situation but the gorilla is the last known female in the world. Do you still take the shot?

    My answer would be no. I'm sure the kid's parents would disagree, but yeah, I do place the very existence of gorillas to outweigh the life of one child. Sorry kid.
    That is complete insanity to me.
    That you think so is complete insanity to me.
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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Question: same situation but the gorilla is the last known female in the world. Do you still take the shot?

    My answer would be no. I'm sure the kid's parents would disagree, but yeah, I do place the very existence of gorillas to outweigh the life of one child. Sorry kid.
    absurd.
    Why is pjsoul opinion absurd ... We are only at the top of the food chain because we invented weapons ... And we annoited our selves decider of everything, destroyer of everything ... Yeah humans should be proud.
    restneversleeps just like to troll me now. It's a new thing.
    no. i think its absurd you would save an animal before a human. period. now ride off on your rainbow shitting unicorn....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    devil's advocate: EVERY species, if they were put in a position to choose their own or another, would choose their own EVERY SINGLE TIME. a gorilla wouldn't give a second thought to snapping the last human female in half if one of their babies was in danger.

    Sure, on a personal level this is 100% true. All animals, including humans, protect their own children. But not on a species level.
    Anyway, I am VERY comfortable saying that a human life is worth saving an entire species (and many people do indeed put their OWN lives at risk to do exactly that. This is not a crazy new concept I'm talking about here). I think to say that a human life is more important than a whole species of animal is VERY selfish and humanly arrogant.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Objectively I would put the survival of gorillas as a species before the life of any single (Darwinian award winning?) human child, but subjectively I would personally hunt and cut the throats of every single great ape or cuddly little chinchilla if that's what it took to save my own son.
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