what is up with all these hollywood pedos?

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  • Posts: 41,317
    So we have Woody Allen and Polanski as confirmed offenders. Hollywood never shunned them.

    I'm shocked that the public hasn't.

    I have never cared to nor seen a Woody Allen film since I heard what he did.
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    Woody Allen is to movies what Bob Dylan is to music. I just don't understand the genius people claim to see.
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    Confessed this before - Rosemary's Baby is one of my favorite films. Perhaps I employ that suspension of Polanski-disbelief whenever I randomly come across it. Plus you have kooky Ruth Gordon and that dreamy Cassevetes.

    And it sucks because my watching it makes me feel like a hypocrite...just for a bit though.

    Yup, I'm a selfish hypocrite.

    Haven't watched anything of Woody's since Manhattan Murder Mystery and have to admit that his contribution to New York Stories was pretty good. Oedipus Wrecks? C'mon.

    (Jason, I'm not a big Dylan fan either :no_mouth: )
  • Posts: 16,881
    As intolerant as I am of the creeps we refer to in this thread... I always pause when discussing Polanski.

    His ordeal before his discretion was out of this world and not that it is an excuse, but his 'victim' doesn't claim to be a victim.

    Led Zeppelin dominates the Lounge thread. Do people know Page and Plant's history?
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    Jason P said:

    Woody Allen is to movies what Bob Dylan is to music. I just don't understand the genius people claim to see.

    Agree in full.
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  • Posts: 24,524
    Thirty, I think she was 13 at the time? Most kids around that age who've been molested or worse won't see themselves as a victim, more as the perpetrator or somehow responsible.

    As to Page...another suspension of disbelief thing, dammit. I don't know but have read some things of him that don't sit well with me. Beyond sitting.

    And yet, I'm a sucker for his music and talent.

    I can't really rationalize or reconcile it.
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    hedonist said:

    Thirty, I think she was 13 at the time? Most kids around that age who've been molested or worse won't see themselves as a victim, more as the perpetrator or somehow responsible.

    As to Page...another suspension of disbelief thing, dammit. I don't know but have read some things of him that don't sit well with me. Beyond sitting.

    And yet, I'm a sucker for his music and talent.

    I can't really rationalize or reconcile it.

    I know.

    I'm not defending him although it appears as I am. I've seen her in an interview recently and she spoke to her willingness, eagerness, and complicity. She wanted people to forgive Polanski.

    Jagger liked the young girls too.

    Zeppelin and the Stones are two of my all time favourites.

    I guess I'm compromised?
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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    I know.

    I'm not defending him although it appears as I am. I've seen her in an interview recently and she spoke to her willingness, eagerness, and complicity. She wanted people to forgive Polanski.

    Jagger liked the young girls too.

    Zeppelin and the Stones are two of my all time favourites.

    I guess I'm compromised?
    No, I know you better than that, no defense on your part.

    And aw hell, the Stones' Stray Cat Blues (another favorite song AND band) speak to that predilection.

    We're all compromised in some way - simply who we are and how we live :) I think just some in ways heavier than others, depending on the road(s) walked.
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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    I know.

    I'm not defending him although it appears as I am. I've seen her in an interview recently and she spoke to her willingness, eagerness, and complicity. She wanted people to forgive Polanski.

    Jagger liked the young girls too.

    Zeppelin and the Stones are two of my all time favourites.

    I guess I'm compromised?
    It's a tough one. I absolutely love the music of these bands, as well as Michael Jackson. People who allegedly did awful things, yet created beautiful things apart from them.

    I don't think it makes us compromised. I imagine there are some really important things we use in our everyday lives that were maybe created by people who did awful things. I certainly wouldn't stop using my phone or watching tv if I found out the creators of them were pedophiles.

    Maybe it's not the same, but I am just trying to draw some kind of parallel. I guess it boils down to a personal preference and if you can separate the art from the person. I can.
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    Bob Dylan a "genius"? That is up for debate. I guess I will just enjoy his music and take solice in the fact that at least he isn't a child molester. Woody Allen I have no idea if I've seen his films or not but would feel gross if I did. Dylan albums I am enjoying most right now are Saved, and Slow Train Coming.
  • Posts: 19,288
    CH156378 said:

    Bob Dylan a "genius"? That is up for debate. I guess I will just enjoy his music and take solice in the fact that at least he isn't a child molester. Woody Allen I have no idea if I've seen his films or not but would feel gross if I did. Dylan albums I am enjoying most right now are Saved, and Slow Train Coming.

    Rolling Stone has him as the 2nd greatest artist, only behind The Beatles! And they also have him as the 7th greatest singer (WTF???) ever!

    rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/the-beatles-20110420

    rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-time-19691231/bob-dylan-20101202
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    Jason P said:

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    Rolling Stone has him as the 2nd greatest artist, only behind The Beatles! And they also have him as the 7th greatest singer (WTF???) ever!

    rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/the-beatles-20110420

    rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-time-19691231/bob-dylan-20101202
    Bob Dylan wrote an album worth of songs that tapped into the angst of, and spoke to nearly an entire generation of young people that had never been spoken to so honestly. If that isn't genius, I don't know what is.
    As the article probably mentioned, Dylan changed singing forever, making truth and realism a much bigger part of the picture, which opened the door for singers like Springsteen, Vedder, Cobain, etc
    He also laid the crooners to rest, thank God for that.
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    Sorry to get off topic. Dylan not a genius? Are you kidding? His peers would laugh.
    Check out this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_who_have_covered_Bob_Dylan_songs

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    Jason P said:

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    Rolling Stone has him as the 2nd greatest artist, only behind The Beatles! And they also have him as the 7th greatest singer (WTF???) ever!

    rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/the-beatles-20110420

    rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-time-19691231/bob-dylan-20101202
    Rolling Stone is a group of antiquated music critics and react to what's new at that moment.
    I've watched the college top 10 lists(not in the mag anymore) and never once have they reported on any of the unknown bands that were selling records, never once put out a review...

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    tempo_n_groove said:

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    Rolling Stone is a group of antiquated music critics and react to what's new at that moment.
    I've watched the college top 10 lists(not in the mag anymore) and never once have they reported on any of the unknown bands that were selling records, never once put out a review...

    I don't read the magazine any more, but they are definitely not cutting edge.
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    edited May 2016
    the genius of Bob Dylan is his live act, I saw him in 97ish at the Del Mar Race Track in San Diego and before hand did not expect much because his last efforts sounded like he was singing thru his nose...but Man he came out with an electric guitar and did a solo that just blew the house away !
    and the rest of the show was awesome as well, when you call a musician "genius" you have to define your meaning of the word, Bob Dylan has a string of hit's a mile long, he is loved and respected by most other musicians and has stayed a music icon for 50 plus years so in that respect...yea I'd call him a genius as well.

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  • Posts: 16,881
    I saw him 5 years ago or so and walked out one third of the way through the show.

    No shit.

    Just brutal.

    I realize his time was late 60s early 70s... but terrible. And I've just never dug his awful voice as much as I respect his songwriting.
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  • out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Since this thread has totally derailed . . . :lol:

    I've seen Dylan 3 times: 1974, 1999, 2007. The 2007 show wasn't very good, the 1999 show was excellent, and the 1974 show, when he was touring with The Band, was hands down the best concert I've ever seen. Yes, even better than my many Who shows. Phenomenal, tight, utterly professional performer with the best back up band possible. If you've only seen him in recent years, I understand completely why anyone would think he's a lousy performer. But that first show that I saw--I can't begin to describe how amazing it was.
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    Man, I've never found the genius in dylan. Can't stand to listen to him. I understand why people like him. But if he's a genius, what's vedder? Or Lennon? Or Hendrix? Gods?
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    hedonist said:

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    No, I know you better than that, no defense on your part.

    And aw hell, the Stones' Stray Cat Blues (another favorite song AND band) speak to that predilection.

    We're all compromised in some way - simply who we are and how we live :) I think just some in ways heavier than others, depending on the road(s) walked.
    Everyone's got a little hypocrite in them. Didn't Pete Townsend get busted for child porn? I think he claimed it was for research or something. I don't remember all the details and I'm reluctant to google the situation since I'm on a work computer and hesitate to search anything that contains "child pornography" in the search title.

    But I've seen them 3 times since that came out and still listen to them. But if it was a band I was on the fence about anyway, I'd totally boycott them!

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