Bernie Sanders for President

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  • Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,426
    I know some on here don't want to know about numbers and facts but......

    1. Bernie had a net gain of 10 delegates yesterday.

    2. Hillary needs to win only 33% of remaining delegates to clinch nomination.

    And to be clear...I don't like any of the people running for office.
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    Bentleyspop said:

    I know some on here don't want to know about numbers and facts but......

    1. Bernie had a net gain of 10 delegates yesterday.

    2. Hillary needs to win only 33% of remaining delegates to clinch nomination.

    And to be clear...I don't like any of the people running for office.

    Are you counting the super delegates?
    They aren't bound and haven't cast their votes yet.


    This email business needs to be over sooner rather than later...
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  • Posts: 30,883
    rgambs said:

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    Are you counting the super delegates?
    They aren't bound and haven't cast their votes yet.


    This email business needs to be over sooner rather than later...
    No, he is using only pledged delegates. I think the number is a bit high though. The last I saw was that he had to win 58% of remaining pledged delegates to be even, and then win 51% of the super delegates. The net gain of 10 delegates with a 14 point win is the problem that Bernie faces from here on out.

    Here is an interesting analysis by wizard Nate Silver on what Sanders has to win in each primary to get to a majority of pledged delegates. Of course if he over performs in one state, it knocks something off another, and vice versa. This was published last week and he ended up 2 delegates short yesterday. So that moves somewhere down the line.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-get-bernie-sanders-988-more-delegates/
  • Posts: 19,314
    edited April 2016
    Even if Sanders can't catch her, this doesn't bode well for Clinton in a general election. I'm sure she thought they would toss her a couple softball candidates 1 year ago and that she would cruise to the nomination as the de facto candidate.
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    Jason P said:

    Even if Sanders can't catch her, this doesn't bode well for Clinton in a general election. I'm sure she thought they would toss her a couple softball candidates 6 month ago and that she would cruise to the nomination as the de facto candidate.

    That's not true. Obama Clinton went deep into the season. And how can it bode any worse than what is happening on the R side? You have a candidate that may tell his followers not to vote. Sanders has said he would encourage his supporters to vote for Clinton.
  • Posts: 3,562
    Bentleyspop said:

    I know some on here don't want to know about numbers and facts but......

    1. Bernie had a net gain of 10 delegates yesterday.

    2. Hillary needs to win only 33% of remaining delegates to clinch nomination.

    And to be clear...I don't like any of the people running for office.

    11.

    And looking at the map? He won all but 3 counties.

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/wisconsin
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    And let's be clear here. The system is rigged. All the math in favor of Clinton and extreme popular vote in favor of Bernie will never add up to work out.
    The people want Bernie, they're coming out in droves. But the system just. Won't. Have it.
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    mrussel1 said:

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    That's not true. Obama Clinton went deep into the season. And how can it bode any worse than what is happening on the R side? You have a candidate that may tell his followers not to vote. Sanders has said he would encourage his supporters to vote for Clinton.
    I don't have any candidate on the R side that I support. Paul Ryan is a pipe dream, so when it comes down to Trump and Cruz, I'm voting Gary Johnson or whoever buys me 10 pizzas.
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    Free said:

    And let's be clear here. The system is rigged. All the math in favor of Clinton and extreme popular vote in favor of Bernie will never add up to work out.
    The people want Bernie, they're coming out in droves. But the system just. Won't. Have it.

    The popular vote still heavily favors Clinton, by close to 2MM I believe. The caucus numbers favor Sanders, but it's not possible to extrapolate voter numbers from those results. Why do you think it's rigged?
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    mrussel1 said:

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    The popular vote still heavily favors Clinton, by close to 2MM I believe. The caucus numbers favor Sanders, but it's not possible to extrapolate voter numbers from those results. Why do you think it's rigged?
    Keep telling yourself that.
  • Posts: 3,562
    You obviously don't read rally attendance numbers. Clinton - 2400 in a HS gym. Sanders overflows arenas with tens of thousands.
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    Free said:

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    Keep telling yourself that.
    Attendance numbers at a rally are proxies, they are not votes. Are you saying that Clinton is not leading in the popular vote?
  • Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,426
    Free said:

    And let's be clear here. The system is rigged. All the math in favor of Clinton and extreme popular vote in favor of Bernie will never add up to work out.
    The people want Bernie, they're coming out in droves. But the system just. Won't. Have it.

    Hypothetically. ....if Bernie was leading by the same numbers that Hillary is currently leading by....would you still believe that the system is rigged?

    Be honest
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    Jason P said:

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    I don't have any candidate on the R side that I support. Paul Ryan is a pipe dream, so when it comes down to Trump and Cruz, I'm voting Gary Johnson or whoever buys me 10 pizzas.
    I actually like Gary Johnson quite a bit. He doesn't pander on the social conservative issues like Rand Paul. Of course you get to be pure when you aren't running a national campaign under the existing parties. My point though is that the D's are hardly in worse shape than the R's, objectively speaking.
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    deadendp said:

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Free said:

    You obviously don't read rally attendance numbers. Clinton - 2400 in a HS gym. Sanders overflows arenas with tens of thousands.

    This is true!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 3,562
    Bernie Sanders Accepts Rare Invitation to Speak at the Vatican

    https://news.vice.com/article/untitled-article-1460123278
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    Free said:

    Bernie Sanders Accepts Rare Invitation to Speak at the Vatican

    https://news.vice.com/article/untitled-article-1460123278

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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,683
    Free said:

    Bernie Sanders Accepts Rare Invitation to Speak at the Vatican

    https://news.vice.com/article/untitled-article-1460123278

    I see the Vatican is still very on point with their clever PR campaign.
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  • Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    The Vermont senator said they share the same views on inequality.

    He's trying to inject this sense of morality into how we do economics... and we need that absolutely desperately."
    He will attend a conference on social, economic and environmental issues and give a speech on 15 April, his campaign said.

    Mr Sanders and Pope Francis have similar views on fighting income inequality, he said, and he was "very moved" by the invitation from the Vatican.
    He said he and the pope disagree on women's rights and gay rights, but Pope Francis has "injected a moral consequence into the economy"...
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269
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