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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    it is baffling to me that a person 14 yrs & older does not have photo identification
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited March 2016
    tempo_n_groove said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    hedonist said:

    It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.



    It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?



    Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?

    Millions and millions of eligible Americans don't have an adequate form of legal ID actually, and a majority of them are African American. As many as 25% of them don't, according to various sources. I totally believe that Republicans are trying to decrease votes with this..
    This is interesting. Can you post some links to this please.

    I would never think that millions don't have ID. That's crazy.
    Here are just a few that come up on the first page of a Google search:

    http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006217/why-new-photo-id-laws-mean-some-wont-vote

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/29/voters-in-these-super-tuesday-states-will-face-new-stricter-requirements/

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/11/eric-holder/eric-holder-says-recent-studies-show-25-percent-af/
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJ_Soul said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    hedonist said:

    It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.



    It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?



    Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?

    Millions and millions of eligible Americans don't have an adequate form of legal ID actually, and a majority of them are African American. As many as 25% of them don't, according to various sources. I totally believe that Republicans are trying to decrease votes with this..
    This is interesting. Can you post some links to this please.

    I would never think that millions don't have ID. That's crazy.
    Here are just a few that come up on the first page of a Google search:

    http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006217/why-new-photo-id-laws-mean-some-wont-vote

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/29/voters-in-these-super-tuesday-states-will-face-new-stricter-requirements/

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/11/eric-holder/eric-holder-says-recent-studies-show-25-percent-af/
    Wow, 3.2 million in just 5 states. I wouldn't have guessed that many.

    In an October 2011 report, the center said that in five states where photo ID laws were scheduled to take effect in 2012, some 3.2 million Americans, accounting for about 10 percent of the states’ voting-age residents, lacked government-issued photo IDs.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited March 2016
    Check this out. Fucking outrageous that some of these same people support voter ID reform. Scum. Debbie Riddle can go to hell. This is an older story (same issue remains of course), but she's been around right up until this year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfhO38CPlAI
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:

    Check this out. Fucking outrageous that some of these same people support voter ID reform. Scum. Debbie Riddle can go to hell. This is an older story (same issue remains of course), but she's been around right up until this year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfhO38CPlAI

    Great find. Pinnacle hypocrisy.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    PJ_Soul said:

    Check this out. Fucking outrageous that some of these same people support voter ID reform. Scum. Debbie Riddle can go to hell. This is an older story (same issue remains of course), but she's been around right up until this year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfhO38CPlAI

    I was going to discuss the articles you posted but saw this video.

    All those lawmakers should be put in jail. Does this go on at everyone of them?

    Holy shit.

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    PJ_Soul said:

    Check this out. Fucking outrageous that some of these same people support voter ID reform. Scum. Debbie Riddle can go to hell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfhO38CPlAI

    She happens to be my representative and met her in small meeting for our street. She's a racist fear monger as well as a hypocrite. On way out let her know Obama's not the boogy man she makes him out to be. Her jaw dropped.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://billmoyers.com/story/north-carolinas-voter-id-law-could-block-218000-registered-voters-from-the-polls/
  • Godfather.
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    Cosmo said:



    Godfather. wrote:

    I think letting non citizens vote is horseshit, it's just wrong to let a citizen of another country vote for president of the united states.



    Godfather.

    ...

    It is more about the fraud perpetrated by American citizens, than non-citizens.

    Like the guy in California that ran a nursing home and 'filled' out all of the resident's ballots for them. He din't fill them out to their wishes... some of them suffered from dementia... he filled them out to match his ballot.

    He is an American... and so were all of the people at his nursing homes.

    But, it is still fraud.

    got it, thanks !

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited March 2016
    This is all total bullshit. Voter fraud is barely an issue at all. The numbers are so low that they are completely negligible. To choose trying to stop maybe 1000 fraudulent votes in the whole country over allowing MILLIONS of people to vote honestly is fucking corruption.
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  • rgambs
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    PJ_Soul said:

    This is all total bullshit. Voter fraud is barely an issue at all. The numbers are so low that they are completely negligible. To choose trying to stop maybe 1000 fraudulent votes in the whole country over allowing MILLIONS of people to vote honestly is fucking corruption.

    It is, but since it is logical corruption people who don't understand hardship just roll with it.
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  • Free
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    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-law-226438?cmpid=sf

    Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Free said:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-law-226438?cmpid=sf

    Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law

    Good.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    PJ_Soul said:

    hedonist said:

    It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.



    It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?



    Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?

    Millions and millions of eligible Americans don't have an adequate form of legal ID actually, and a majority of them are African American. As many as 25% of them don't, according to various sources. I totally believe that Republicans are trying to decrease votes with this..
    Both sides have something to gain. Yes, it is commonly states that those who episodes t show up due to ID laws are most likely democrats. But non-citizens and illegals who would vote would also vote democrat. Both sides argue for their own agenda
  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    Free said:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-law-226438?cmpid=sf

    Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law

    The three judges assigned to the case all Democratic appointees. One by Bill Clinton and the other two by Obama, nope, no bias in that decision.
  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    States should use the same 2005 Indiana law. That requires that a voter present ID at the precinct on election day, with absentee voters and residents of state-licensed nursing homes exempted. The law also exempts anyone unable to afford documentation to obtain a photo ID (typically a birth certificate) and authorizes a provisional ballot for those lacking the ID. The voter who casts a provisional ballot then has 10 days to bring a photo ID to an elections official. The same procedure applies for those who claim a religious objection to being photographed.

    This law was upheld by the Supreme Court. So, it can't be overturned by any lower court. I don't get why states don't follow the Indiana law, word for word.
  • catefrances
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    brianlux said:

    Is it not so that someone walking around without an ID I would have greater concerns about weather he/she could vote or not? It's seems to me it's just not safe or wise to walk around without an ID.

    I recently voted in my country's federal election. I rocked up to the polling station. They asked my name, my address and whether I'd previously voted in this particular election. Didn't even ask for ID.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    EM194007 said:

    Free said:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-law-226438?cmpid=sf

    Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law

    The three judges assigned to the case all Democratic appointees. One by Bill Clinton and the other two by Obama, nope, no bias in that decision.
    Or it's the right and just decision.
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  • Jason P
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    It is totally undude if this is the only piece of identification that you can provide and that you are technically an adult.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    edited July 2016
    Jason P said:

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    It is totally undude if this is the only piece of identification that you can provide and that you are technically an adult.

    Agreed. Most high schools require students to carry IDs. Why is it unacceptable to expect an adult to carry something that shows who they are? It really isn't that difficult to get. you need one to travel, get many benefits, to have and use a credit card, use a checking or savings account- which are required to sign a lease for an apartment, car, phone service, and pretty much anything else. I'd be willing to bet that many who don't have one have some illegal reason for not having it (paid under the table to avoid taxes or child support, here illegally, etc). there is no valid reason for an adult living here legally to not have a form of ID. In my state a state issued ID will run you $11.50, and last several years (maybe longer).
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