Some facts for the Obama haters

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

I could care less if Obama or the Dems passed it.It sucks because it is not a good for the healthcare system as a whole.Although a couple of parts are worthy,many other parts are not.It is doing more harm than good. And it's costing regular folks a lot more money.As an employer who has paid my peoples insurance costs for 2 decades,I can tell you my employees now pay more for shittier coverage.Just look at how big pharma benefits from this shit.That should tell you a lot.

^ This. I know my deductible and out of pocket costs shot through the roof (making it so I can't afford to use my insurance), my premiums went up, and my coverage is worse. My wife couldn't renew her policy, and we just got to sit down and pick between one of the shitty policies on the health exchange or adding her to my shitty policy for way too much money. Pre-ACA I used to go to my doctor, took care of necessary exams/procedures, and had a couple of medications I took. Post-ACA I no longer visit a doctor, I no longer have wellness/preventative care check-ups, and have dropped any meds I used to take. The only thing my insurance is good for is keeping the fucking IRS off my ass and ticking the box that says I was covered by a qualified health plan for the year. The rich were unaffected by the ACA. The very poor benefited from the ACA with subsidized coverage. The vast middle class again takes it in the shorts. I don't care whether it was passed by Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Romney, Bush, Trump, or whomever. I just know I got screwed by its passage. I'd like to see it repealed, and either get the gov't completely out of the insurance game, or go all-in with some sort of single-payer system. What we have now is a grand compromise that delivered very little and costs us dearly.

Lots of things are better under Obama than Bush, but this isn't one of them.

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

I could care less if Obama or the Dems passed it.It sucks because it is not a good for the healthcare system as a whole.Although a couple of parts are worthy,many other parts are not.It is doing more harm than good. And it's costing regular folks a lot more money.As an employer who has paid my peoples insurance costs for 2 decades,I can tell you my employees now pay more for shittier coverage.Just look at how big pharma benefits from this shit.That should tell you a lot.

^ This. I know my deductible and out of pocket costs shot through the roof (making it so I can't afford to use my insurance), my premiums went up, and my coverage is worse. My wife couldn't renew her policy, and we just got to sit down and pick between one of the shitty policies on the health exchange or adding her to my shitty policy for way too much money. Pre-ACA I used to go to my doctor, took care of necessary exams/procedures, and had a couple of medications I took. Post-ACA I no longer visit a doctor, I no longer have wellness/preventative care check-ups, and have dropped any meds I used to take. The only thing my insurance is good for is keeping the fucking IRS off my ass and ticking the box that says I was covered by a qualified health plan for the year. The rich were unaffected by the ACA. The very poor benefited from the ACA with subsidized coverage. The vast middle class again takes it in the shorts. I don't care whether it was passed by Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Romney, Bush, Trump, or whomever. I just know I got screwed by its passage. I'd like to see it repealed, and either get the gov't completely out of the insurance game, or go all-in with some sort of single-payer system. What we have now is a grand compromise that delivered very little and costs us dearly.

Lots of things are better under Obama than Bush, but this isn't one of them.

It might not be better for YOU but it is better for millions of others. A tax increase won't be "better" for the rich but it will benefit the majority.

That's how life works.

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

I could care less if Obama or the Dems passed it.It sucks because it is not a good for the healthcare system as a whole.Although a couple of parts are worthy,many other parts are not.It is doing more harm than good. And it's costing regular folks a lot more money.As an employer who has paid my peoples insurance costs for 2 decades,I can tell you my employees now pay more for shittier coverage.Just look at how big pharma benefits from this shit.That should tell you a lot.

^ This. I know my deductible and out of pocket costs shot through the roof (making it so I can't afford to use my insurance), my premiums went up, and my coverage is worse. My wife couldn't renew her policy, and we just got to sit down and pick between one of the shitty policies on the health exchange or adding her to my shitty policy for way too much money. Pre-ACA I used to go to my doctor, took care of necessary exams/procedures, and had a couple of medications I took. Post-ACA I no longer visit a doctor, I no longer have wellness/preventative care check-ups, and have dropped any meds I used to take. The only thing my insurance is good for is keeping the fucking IRS off my ass and ticking the box that says I was covered by a qualified health plan for the year. The rich were unaffected by the ACA. The very poor benefited from the ACA with subsidized coverage. The vast middle class again takes it in the shorts. I don't care whether it was passed by Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Romney, Bush, Trump, or whomever. I just know I got screwed by its passage. I'd like to see it repealed, and either get the gov't completely out of the insurance game, or go all-in with some sort of single-payer system. What we have now is a grand compromise that delivered very little and costs us dearly.

Lots of things are better under Obama than Bush, but this isn't one of them.

It might not be better for YOU but it is better for millions of others. A tax increase won't be "better" for the rich but it will benefit the majority.

That's how life works.

Whom is it better for? I had GREAT insurance from my old company. When I left I didn't renew the policy so I had to use Obamacare.
It's horrible. It costs me DOUBLE of what it cost before and I have a fraction of the coverage.

I hope someone fixes this. As I see it I'm filling the profits of a few people rather than helping the mass of people.

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

I could care less if Obama or the Dems passed it.It sucks because it is not a good for the healthcare system as a whole.Although a couple of parts are worthy,many other parts are not.It is doing more harm than good. And it's costing regular folks a lot more money.As an employer who has paid my peoples insurance costs for 2 decades,I can tell you my employees now pay more for shittier coverage.Just look at how big pharma benefits from this shit.That should tell you a lot.

^ This. I know my deductible and out of pocket costs shot through the roof (making it so I can't afford to use my insurance), my premiums went up, and my coverage is worse. My wife couldn't renew her policy, and we just got to sit down and pick between one of the shitty policies on the health exchange or adding her to my shitty policy for way too much money. Pre-ACA I used to go to my doctor, took care of necessary exams/procedures, and had a couple of medications I took. Post-ACA I no longer visit a doctor, I no longer have wellness/preventative care check-ups, and have dropped any meds I used to take. The only thing my insurance is good for is keeping the fucking IRS off my ass and ticking the box that says I was covered by a qualified health plan for the year. The rich were unaffected by the ACA. The very poor benefited from the ACA with subsidized coverage. The vast middle class again takes it in the shorts. I don't care whether it was passed by Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Romney, Bush, Trump, or whomever. I just know I got screwed by its passage. I'd like to see it repealed, and either get the gov't completely out of the insurance game, or go all-in with some sort of single-payer system. What we have now is a grand compromise that delivered very little and costs us dearly.

Lots of things are better under Obama than Bush, but this isn't one of them.

It might not be better for YOU but it is better for millions of others. A tax increase won't be "better" for the rich but it will benefit the majority.

That's how life works.

Whom is it better for? I had GREAT insurance from my old company. When I left I didn't renew the policy so I had to use Obamacare.
It's horrible. It costs me DOUBLE of what it cost before and I have a fraction of the coverage.

I hope someone fixes this. As I see it I'm filling the profits of a few people rather than helping the mass of people.

You seriously can't see outside of your bubble?

It is better for the millions that could not get insurance because they had pre-existing conditions. It is better for the millions that could get cut from their plans because they developed cancer or another horrible disease. It is better for the millions who were unable to afford insurance and now can because of the income subsidies. It is better for the insurance companies as well....unfortunately.

Yes it sucks for a lot of people. But what you are experiencing is nothing different that what others have been experiencing for years before the act.

What bubble? I was all for Obamacare until I realized what it was really doing. Costing people money.

I am still for everyone to have affordable healthcare but this isn't it. Costs go up 10% a year no matter what.

It needs some tweaking. Serious tweaking.

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

I could care less if Obama or the Dems passed it.It sucks because it is not a good for the healthcare system as a whole.Although a couple of parts are worthy,many other parts are not.It is doing more harm than good. And it's costing regular folks a lot more money.As an employer who has paid my peoples insurance costs for 2 decades,I can tell you my employees now pay more for shittier coverage.Just look at how big pharma benefits from this shit.That should tell you a lot.

^ This. I know my deductible and out of pocket costs shot through the roof (making it so I can't afford to use my insurance), my premiums went up, and my coverage is worse. My wife couldn't renew her policy, and we just got to sit down and pick between one of the shitty policies on the health exchange or adding her to my shitty policy for way too much money. Pre-ACA I used to go to my doctor, took care of necessary exams/procedures, and had a couple of medications I took. Post-ACA I no longer visit a doctor, I no longer have wellness/preventative care check-ups, and have dropped any meds I used to take. The only thing my insurance is good for is keeping the fucking IRS off my ass and ticking the box that says I was covered by a qualified health plan for the year. The rich were unaffected by the ACA. The very poor benefited from the ACA with subsidized coverage. The vast middle class again takes it in the shorts. I don't care whether it was passed by Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Romney, Bush, Trump, or whomever. I just know I got screwed by its passage. I'd like to see it repealed, and either get the gov't completely out of the insurance game, or go all-in with some sort of single-payer system. What we have now is a grand compromise that delivered very little and costs us dearly.

Lots of things are better under Obama than Bush, but this isn't one of them.

It might not be better for YOU but it is better for millions of others. A tax increase won't be "better" for the rich but it will benefit the majority.

That's how life works.

Whom is it better for? I had GREAT insurance from my old company. When I left I didn't renew the policy so I had to use Obamacare.
It's horrible. It costs me DOUBLE of what it cost before and I have a fraction of the coverage.

I hope someone fixes this. As I see it I'm filling the profits of a few people rather than helping the mass of people.

You seriously can't see outside of your bubble?

It is better for the millions that could not get insurance because they had pre-existing conditions. It is better for the millions that could get cut from their plans because they developed cancer or another horrible disease. It is better for the millions who were unable to afford insurance and now can because of the income subsidies. It is better for the insurance companies as well....unfortunately.

Yes it sucks for a lot of people. But what you are experiencing is nothing different that what others have been experiencing for years before the act.

What bubble? I was all for Obamacare until I realized what it was really doing. Costing people money.

I am still for everyone to have affordable healthcare but this isn't it. Costs go up 10% a year no matter what.

It needs some tweaking. Serious tweaking.

Sure it costs. And my employer plan costs go up every year.

Millions now have coverage and are paying in. Getting preventative care. Staying out of ER's.

rr165892 said:

So we just shifted the burden.it is not a fix.
Enjoy it while it lasts.it will be gone in 2017.no doubt

Shift from whom to whom?

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Obamacare is conservative as hell. Liberals hate it....but the right is so ignorant they hate it just because Obama passed it. If Romney would have won they would embrace it. Total hypocrites.

I could care less if Obama or the Dems passed it.It sucks because it is not a good for the healthcare system as a whole.Although a couple of parts are worthy,many other parts are not.It is doing more harm than good. And it's costing regular folks a lot more money.As an employer who has paid my peoples insurance costs for 2 decades,I can tell you my employees now pay more for shittier coverage.Just look at how big pharma benefits from this shit.That should tell you a lot.

^ This. I know my deductible and out of pocket costs shot through the roof (making it so I can't afford to use my insurance), my premiums went up, and my coverage is worse. My wife couldn't renew her policy, and we just got to sit down and pick between one of the shitty policies on the health exchange or adding her to my shitty policy for way too much money. Pre-ACA I used to go to my doctor, took care of necessary exams/procedures, and had a couple of medications I took. Post-ACA I no longer visit a doctor, I no longer have wellness/preventative care check-ups, and have dropped any meds I used to take. The only thing my insurance is good for is keeping the fucking IRS off my ass and ticking the box that says I was covered by a qualified health plan for the year. The rich were unaffected by the ACA. The very poor benefited from the ACA with subsidized coverage. The vast middle class again takes it in the shorts. I don't care whether it was passed by Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Romney, Bush, Trump, or whomever. I just know I got screwed by its passage. I'd like to see it repealed, and either get the gov't completely out of the insurance game, or go all-in with some sort of single-payer system. What we have now is a grand compromise that delivered very little and costs us dearly.

Lots of things are better under Obama than Bush, but this isn't one of them.

It might not be better for YOU but it is better for millions of others. A tax increase won't be "better" for the rich but it will benefit the majority.

That's how life works.

Whom is it better for? I had GREAT insurance from my old company. When I left I didn't renew the policy so I had to use Obamacare.
It's horrible. It costs me DOUBLE of what it cost before and I have a fraction of the coverage.

I hope someone fixes this. As I see it I'm filling the profits of a few people rather than helping the mass of people.

You seriously can't see outside of your bubble?

It is better for the millions that could not get insurance because they had pre-existing conditions. It is better for the millions that could get cut from their plans because they developed cancer or another horrible disease. It is better for the millions who were unable to afford insurance and now can because of the income subsidies. It is better for the insurance companies as well....unfortunately.

Yes it sucks for a lot of people. But what you are experiencing is nothing different that what others have been experiencing for years before the act.

What bubble? I was all for Obamacare until I realized what it was really doing. Costing people money.

I am still for everyone to have affordable healthcare but this isn't it. Costs go up 10% a year no matter what.

It needs some tweaking. Serious tweaking.

Costs have gone up every year since health insurance began.

I can tell you that my premiums went up 20-25% per year up until healthcare reform started being discussed. Since it has passed I usually expect 10-15% increase each year. Much better than the 20-25% I was experiencing before.

Must be true if you have a chart,lol.

ACA will live on for what his original real intent was - a massive tax supported expansion of Medicaid on a National level.

As for the exchanges - ummm, yeah. Enjoy your current prices. He did nothing toward his spoken intent of bending the cost curve, so as more and more companies feel the realities of the exchanges, they will become less and less attractive. Too lazy to look up exact number, but Half the Federal Co-ops have or are in the process of failing and going out of business. In NY Health Republic had to plug pulled early bc it was bleeding so badly. Not a unique situation. Nationally, United Healthcare has indicated its strong consideration of exiting the market in 2017. They announced it just as open enrollment for 2016 was starting. Great marketing plan for a company that doesn't want to attract new members. They aren't the biggest players, but as the big boys drop out and the Federally supported locals do the same, what do you think the market will actually look like?

It will be a blood bath. And it will be blamed on the next President/Republicans while the the hand holding the butcher knife is off in Hawaii locating a place for his library. What will really be left for the next President is deciding how much of our tax dollars to pump into the remaining players to bail the whole thing out. Of course, if you personally pay no taxes, you have nothing to worry about.