San Bernardino Shootings Kill 14

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

In ten years there will be more Hispanics, minorities and liberals in Texas than red necks.

bootlegger10 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Both have unwavering faith that sustains them.

So are Buddhists equal in the sick war too?

I don't see Christians beheading people and burning people alive in the name of Jesus. Ridiculous to even remotely equate Christianity's perceived negatives to what the Islamic extremists are doing. ISIL wants to murder anything that doesn't fit its religious view and Christians want to keep unborn babies from being murdered. Yeah, both are completely evil.

We bombed the shit out of Muslims. Dubya appealed to religion to get Americans behind him. We just have better weapons. Fuck look at the rhetoric now in bombing Syria.

Crimes committed in the name of country can't be compared to crimes committed in the name of religion.

The Crusades were a shameful past for Christianity centuries ago, but in the current era... Islamic extremists are the champions of shedding blood for their God. Let's get serious. It's not even remotely close.

I see Christian extremists looking really stupid protesting rock concerts and soldiers' funerals. Still up for debate as to whether or not it was in the name of God (he wasn't shrieking his name while covered in blood), I've seen one kill some people at a birth clinic... but I don't see them chopping of heads, burning people alive, committing mass rape and throwing gays from towers among other items.

Dead is dead. Lets be honest here, way more Muslims have been killed at the hands of Christians in the past couple of decades. They may not have been screaming Christs name and doing it with a knife, but that doesn't make their dead any less dead.

Not buying it.

If you want to compare the US government- which governs over a very diverse population that includes Christians and Muslims and atheists- to Islamic extremists for the terror they have presented... you have a bit of an argument.

I'm not religious in any way, shape or form. I just call a spade a spade.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JimmyV said:

American military actions are condemned as being religious in nature when compared to Muslim extremism. In almost every other situation they are condemned for being economic, an ongoing grab of natural resources. These charges aren't mutually exclusive of course but the latter is far more accurate than the former.

Agreed.

Used in various contexts to support whatever agenda is being pushed at the moment.

You are doing the same thing. ISIS is not only made up of extreme Islamist's. They can have goals that have nothing to do with religion. Power.

Some use religion, some use nationalism.....all the same bullshit at the end of the day. War, death and power.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2015/08/21/Where-is-Iraq-s-Baath-party-today-.html

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

If I were an omniscient omnist god and flashed up a score card showing how many people Christians have killed in the name of their god and how many people Muslims have killed in the name of their god, which side would have the highest number?

"Keeping score" is one reason why Palestine and Israel get along so great.

The Christian crusades have been over for years so I don't see how that is relevant now?

Let's also not forget that Muslim countries are fighting against these extremists too!!! They have their hands full also.

OK, good point. Keeping score is pointless. Not really where I was going with this, just saying it's a bit absurd that people seem to get the idea that Americans are going to get wiped out by extremist Muslims or implying that they are the only threat. It does go both ways and all killing is wrong. What we need is more compassion on the gentle side and maybe some Hayagriva when anger is justified. (Hayagriva is the manifestation of Buddhist wrath whereby aggression is the motivating force, but aggression without violence leading to sentience.) Endless killing is not working.

Agreed. But the Hayagriva pill may be a little hard for some to swallow.

Education is key Brian. I've witnessed it first hand.

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JimmyV said:

American military actions are condemned as being religious in nature when compared to Muslim extremism. In almost every other situation they are condemned for being economic, an ongoing grab of natural resources. These charges aren't mutually exclusive of course but the latter is far more accurate than the former.

Agreed.

Used in various contexts to support whatever agenda is being pushed at the moment.

You are doing the same thing. ISIS is not only made up of extreme Islamist's. They can have goals that have nothing to do with religion. Power.

Some use religion, some use nationalism.....all the same bullshit at the end of the day. War, death and power.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2015/08/21/Where-is-Iraq-s-Baath-party-today-.html

ISIS does not seek power. They seek to bring about the apocalypse according to their interpretation of the Koran's teachings.

callen said:

But thirty leaders of our country invoke religion to motivate the masses. Look at trump and Cruz and graham and Huckabee. Think it a coincidence the atheists and agnostics are the ones that don't want more war? Now it's corporate profit driven but the use of Gods is way it's sold.

Hell Dubya said God, Christian God Was the higher power that guided him on his decisions. To Muslims sure as hell looks and sounds like Christians are bombing and killing them.

Am I making excuses. Absolutely not. Muslims that kill for god are sick fucks. But so are Christians that want to bomb them all and let god sort them out. Just pussies as they call for our young men and women to do it.

So we need to rid our societies of these fake gods and books and make it a bit harder for rich and powerful to have humans sacrifice their one and only life for their gain.

Fuck all religions and gods.

And to all my Christian brothers and sisters, I love you all. I endured an agonizing prayer before thanksgiving dinner yet love my family. I get it. But break free.

Lol "I endured an agonizing prayer before dinner..yet love my family"

The $28,500 deposit is alarming. Always follow the money. Maybe he cashed in a 401K or had a sudden windfall, sure. If not this is a strong indicator that these two did not act alone.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/did-farook-malik-have-help-n476136?cid=sm_fb

NBC News has confirmed that a $28,500 deposit was made into a bank account belonging to Farook in the weeks before last Wednesday's attack. Farook's base salary in 2013 was $52,000. Fox News first reported on Monday night that the deposit was made from WebBank.com on Nov. 18.

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JimmyV said:

American military actions are condemned as being religious in nature when compared to Muslim extremism. In almost every other situation they are condemned for being economic, an ongoing grab of natural resources. These charges aren't mutually exclusive of course but the latter is far more accurate than the former.

Agreed.

Used in various contexts to support whatever agenda is being pushed at the moment.

You are doing the same thing. ISIS is not only made up of extreme Islamist's. They can have goals that have nothing to do with religion. Power.

Some use religion, some use nationalism.....all the same bullshit at the end of the day. War, death and power.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2015/08/21/Where-is-Iraq-s-Baath-party-today-.html

ISIS does not seek power. They seek to bring about the apocalypse according to their interpretation of the Koran's teachings.

This is a narrow, dogmatic view which is not supported by the facts on the ground.
I don't give a shit what an organization s charter or mission statement says, I care about what they do and how.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Both have unwavering faith that sustains them.

But one is running around killing people in this

bootlegger10 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Both have unwavering faith that sustains them.

So are Buddhists equal in the sick war too?

I don't see Christians beheading people and burning people alive in the name of Jesus. Ridiculous to even remotely equate Christianity's perceived negatives to what the Islamic extremists are doing. ISIL wants to murder anything that doesn't fit its religious view and Christians want to keep unborn babies from being murdered. Yeah, both are completely evil.

I don't think of Buddhism as a religion because they don't worship a God at all. I feel like Buddhism is a philosophy rather than a religion.

callen said:

In ten years there will be more Hispanics, minorities and liberals in Texas than red necks.

bootlegger10 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^^
Both have unwavering faith that sustains them.

So are Buddhists equal in the sick war too?

I don't see Christians beheading people and burning people alive in the name of Jesus. Ridiculous to even remotely equate Christianity's perceived negatives to what the Islamic extremists are doing. ISIL wants to murder anything that doesn't fit its religious view and Christians want to keep unborn babies from being murdered. Yeah, both are completely evil.

We bombed the shit out of Muslims. Dubya appealed to religion to get Americans behind him. We just have better weapons. Fuck look at the rhetoric now in bombing Syria.

You gotta decide if the Iraq war was about religion, oil, corporate interests, WMD's, or terrorism. You can't say it was a religious based war and then switch over to oil when trying to make another argument.

I don't remember at the time anyone thinking it was a religious war. Hell, Iraq was led by a basically secular government at the time. The war was sold to the public via WMD's and 9/11 and not as a Christian versus Muslim war.

And to further compare Christianity and Islam. The USA being a Christian nation allow Muslims to build mosques all over the place and practice their faith, while Christians in the middle east in Islamic countries are hoping they can pray in secret and not get beheaded that day. And of course I'm talking about radical Islamic leaders, but can we give some credit to Christians in the USA who actually practice religious freedom that the country was based on?

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JimmyV said:

American military actions are condemned as being religious in nature when compared to Muslim extremism. In almost every other situation they are condemned for being economic, an ongoing grab of natural resources. These charges aren't mutually exclusive of course but the latter is far more accurate than the former.

Agreed.

Used in various contexts to support whatever agenda is being pushed at the moment.

You are doing the same thing. ISIS is not only made up of extreme Islamist's. They can have goals that have nothing to do with religion. Power.

Some use religion, some use nationalism.....all the same bullshit at the end of the day. War, death and power.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2015/08/21/Where-is-Iraq-s-Baath-party-today-.html

ISIS does not seek power. They seek to bring about the apocalypse according to their interpretation of the Koran's teachings.

This is a narrow, dogmatic view which is not supported by the facts on the ground.
I don't give a shit what an organization s charter or mission statement says, I care about what they do and how.

I'm sorry but you are in denial.

I don't mean that they don't want Armageddon, just that there is much much more politics and power grabbing than just the religious aspects.