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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,196

    Shit, Goddamn, Dave A. was so great on the 93-94 tour! Porch is unreal!

    I'm listening to the Flac copy now. Dave sure was amazing!
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Listening to st petersburg 94.....man the band was on fire thAt year! Much more polished than 93
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    What is TMZ? What does that stand for? I know it's a tv show.
    What is SLH? Who or what is actually SLH? Not The Simpson's dog.
    What is Spinal Tap? What does that mean? I know is a fake band who didn't have as many drummers as PJ.

    I'm actually asking, not playing jeopardy, I know what those are, but I don't know what those mean, what is the story behind those names that brought them to exist...

    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    What is TMZ? What does that stand for? I know it's a tv show.
    What is SLH? Who or what is actually SLH? Not The Simpson's dog.
    What is Spinal Tap? What does that mean? I know is a fake band who didn't have as many drummers as PJ.

    I'm actually asking, not playing jeopardy, I know what those are, but I don't know what those mean, what is the story behind those names that brought them to exist...

    TMZ stands for Thirty Mile Zone, essentially the 30-mile radius of studios in LA.

    SLH is Santos L. Halper, a 10c employee who often provides helpful info on this forum, and whose name is on the return address of 10c shipments.

    A spinal tap is a medical procedure also known as a lumbar puncture. A needle is inserted into the spinal canal in the lumbar region to collect spinal fluid.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    jeffbr said:

    What is TMZ? What does that stand for? I know it's a tv show.
    What is SLH? Who or what is actually SLH? Not The Simpson's dog.
    What is Spinal Tap? What does that mean? I know is a fake band who didn't have as many drummers as PJ.

    I'm actually asking, not playing jeopardy, I know what those are, but I don't know what those mean, what is the story behind those names that brought them to exist...

    TMZ stands for Thirty Mile Zone, essentially the 30-mile radius of studios in LA.

    SLH is Santos L. Halper, a 10c employee who often provides helpful info on this forum, and whose name is on the return address of 10c shipments.

    A spinal tap is a medical procedure also known as a lumbar puncture. A needle is inserted into the spinal canal in the lumbar region to collect spinal fluid.
    The one in the middle I knew, the other two, I didn't, thanks for your time and kindness...
    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,667
    Zod said:

    Upon first listen of the FLAC, I hope the vinyl sounds a lot better. :(

    What's wrong with it?
    Upon second listen with headphones, it sounded better. But it sounds much more compressed compared to the Orpheum recording. The vocals are cranked up way too loud, in my opinion.
    If the vocals are cranked higher than the instruments doesn't that suggest a lack of compression? Compression makes all the tracks in the recording the same volume level?

    I won't be able to hear this until the vinyl arrives, but I don't like it when vocals are muddled with the instruments, so maybe this mix will be to my liking :)
    No, you're right about compression. And I was an idiot for just singling out the vocals, as everything sounds too loud. Sorry to get your hopes up about the mix.

    I'm actually sorry about saying anything at all because I'm having a hard time singling out whether it's the mix/mastering I don't like or just the performance itself. It's very raw. It's all a bit overblown (which is apropos with Mudhoney in the building, right?). Maybe I've been listening to too many boots from 2000 onward lately because I find myself telling Eddie to take it easy on the vocals while listening to this. I wish he could still belt out Jeremy like he once did.

    It's funny, 20 years ago, I would have loved to have a soundboard bootleg like this for so little money. I would have loved listening to it. But with the whole Pono sound quality thing, it's kinda trained my brain to analyze the music and try to figure out what I really like to hear and what I don't. I listen to the Pixies albums on CD (the original pressings) and I'm amazed at the dynamic range. Those CDs sound so good! So, it is possible to have as good dynamic range on CD as there is on vinyl. However, is it realistic to have those expectations toward digital Pearl Jam recordings that history has shown haven't really had great dynamic ranges? Probably not. (Although the 2000 European Tour boots might beg to differ).

    Sometimes I wish I could go back to my ignorant self before I learned about dynamic range because I'd definitely be happier with what I listen to. It's definitely not everything when it comes to a recording. But, we should be asking questions about what we're buying. Becoming better educated about the product should hopefully lead to a better product, right?

    I'm just hoping upon hope that the vinyl sounds great and that people are happy, and I apologize to those digital listeners if I colored your way of thinking about this boot. Sound quality is definitely a subjective thing, and this is only my opinion.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    ^ great post! thank you
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    edited November 2015

    I listen to the Pixies albums on CD (the original pressings) and I'm amazed at the dynamic range. Those CDs sound so good! So, it is possible to have as good dynamic range on CD as there is on vinyl.

    It all comes down to the mastering. I recently have found myself much more inclined to go out and hunt used bins for original CD pressings then vinyl. Most sound spectacular compared to their "brickwalled", "compressed" remastered brothers and there is usually no comparison between a used CD and used vinyl for clean sound.

    CDs with the right mastering can sound just as warm as vinyl, especially if you have the right DAC paired with the right speakers.
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  • Ernie Vedder
    Ernie Vedder Redlands, CA Posts: 2,269
    i hope i get mine soon.
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  • wg
    wg Posts: 411
    Anyone have any tracking numbers yet?
  • jaykay20
    jaykay20 Posts: 379
    edited November 2015
    Santos, please give those who bought the vinyl a free mp3 download to mark the occasion today! It would be much appreciated :)
  • DischordVision
    DischordVision SEAttle by way of WNY Posts: 532
    jaykay20 said:

    Santos, please give those who bought the vinyl a free mp3 download to mark the occasion today! It would be much appreciated :)

    agreed!
    we got one for Vault #4 last year.
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  • front spacer
    front spacer Earth Posts: 3,249
    edited November 2015

    jaykay20 said:

    Santos, please give those who bought the vinyl a free mp3 download to mark the occasion today! It would be much appreciated :)

    agreed!
    we got one for Vault #4 last year.
    ^^^^^THIS, @Santos L. Halper

    Digital downloads don't cost anything, just give us a code to redeem!!

    Indy - 08.17.98
    Indy - 08.18.00
    Indy - 06.22.03
    Indy - 05.07.10
    EV StL - 07.01.11
    Alpine Valley - 09.03.11, 09.04.11 (PJ20)
    ATL - 09.22.12 (Music Midtown Festival)
    EV Jax - 11.24.12
    Chicago - 07.19.13
    Pittsburgh - 10.11.13
    Moline - 10.17.14 (The No Code Show)
    Milwaukee - 10.20.14 (The Yield Show)
    FtL - 04.08.16
    Miami - 04.09.16
    Tampa - 04.11.16
    Lexington - 04.26.16
    Chicago - 08.20.16, 08.22.16
    Chicago - 08.18.18, 08.20.18
    Boston - 09.02.18, 09.04.18
  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,667
    edited November 2015

    jaykay20 said:

    Santos, please give those who bought the vinyl a free mp3 download to mark the occasion today! It would be much appreciated :)

    agreed!
    we got one for Vault #4 last year.
    ^^^^^THIS, @Santos L. Halper

    Digital downloads don't cost anything, just give us a code to redeem!!

    Bandwidth costs money. Sure, one or two downloads don't cost much, but when you multiply it by a couple thousand, it can increase very quickly.

    https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
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  • front spacer
    front spacer Earth Posts: 3,249
    I paid $50 for a record, and it would be nice to have it as an MP3 for my phone.

    Not everyone has a USB turntable. 10C did it in the past, and there is NO reason they shouldn't do it again on this Vault release!
    Indy - 08.17.98
    Indy - 08.18.00
    Indy - 06.22.03
    Indy - 05.07.10
    EV StL - 07.01.11
    Alpine Valley - 09.03.11, 09.04.11 (PJ20)
    ATL - 09.22.12 (Music Midtown Festival)
    EV Jax - 11.24.12
    Chicago - 07.19.13
    Pittsburgh - 10.11.13
    Moline - 10.17.14 (The No Code Show)
    Milwaukee - 10.20.14 (The Yield Show)
    FtL - 04.08.16
    Miami - 04.09.16
    Tampa - 04.11.16
    Lexington - 04.26.16
    Chicago - 08.20.16, 08.22.16
    Chicago - 08.18.18, 08.20.18
    Boston - 09.02.18, 09.04.18
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Ordered my vault #5 cd last night along with the Boston 10 boot. Can't wait to blast these on the way to work!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,196

    jaykay20 said:

    Santos, please give those who bought the vinyl a free mp3 download to mark the occasion today! It would be much appreciated :)

    agreed!
    we got one for Vault #4 last year.
    ^^^^^THIS, @Santos L. Halper

    Digital downloads don't cost anything, just give us a code to redeem!!

    Bandwidth costs money. Sure, one or two downloads don't cost much, but when you multiply it by a couple thousand, it can increase very quickly.

    https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
    10club could save a bunch of money on their bandwidth just by switching to BitTorrent. If they shared the MP3 which would be around 167MB via V0 Lame Encoded (for example), I'm sure fan's won't mind downloading & seeding the show. Fan's helping fans out.
  • Got my shipping confirmation, can't wait! Thanks Santos.
    10/11/13 consol energy center pittsburgh
  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,667
    edited November 2015
    demetrios said:

    jaykay20 said:

    Santos, please give those who bought the vinyl a free mp3 download to mark the occasion today! It would be much appreciated :)

    agreed!
    we got one for Vault #4 last year.
    ^^^^^THIS, @Santos L. Halper

    Digital downloads don't cost anything, just give us a code to redeem!!

    Bandwidth costs money. Sure, one or two downloads don't cost much, but when you multiply it by a couple thousand, it can increase very quickly.

    https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
    10club could save a bunch of money on their bandwidth just by switching to BitTorrent. If they shared the MP3 which would be around 167MB via V0 Lame Encoded (for example), I'm sure fan's won't mind downloading & seeding the show. Fan's helping fans out.
    How does giving away an mp3 copy make any business sense? If they have a problem with paying bandwidth, they should just include the cost of the bandwidth and storage in the price of the vinyl. But that's tricky when you don't know how many copies you're going to sell.
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  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,667
    edited November 2015
    Wow, I just dug up my old mp3 copy from Basecamp and it sounds so much more dynamic than the FLAC copy I just bought. That truly makes me sad. Once again, I hope the vinyl sounds better.

    There's also some dialog cut after Jeremy. The shoe speech "I love me, I love me, I love me...apparently they do love themselves more than Mudhoney" has been cut for the vault release.

    Here's the DR numbers:

    First, the FLAC:
    foobar2000 1.3.9 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
    log date: 2015-11-26 21:37:50

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    Analyzed: Pearl Jam / 1993/11/30 Las Vegas, NV
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    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR7 0.00 dB -7.77 dB 5:05 01-Even Flow
    DR7 0.00 dB -7.60 dB 3:19 02-Once
    DR7 0.00 dB -7.53 dB 4:25 03-Deep
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.49 dB 5:45 04-Jeremy
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.67 dB 3:39 05-Dissident
    DR7 0.00 dB -9.15 dB 5:21 06-Daughter
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.86 dB 3:03 07-Go
    DR7 0.00 dB -7.97 dB 2:59 08-Animal
    DR7 0.00 dB -7.31 dB 3:30 09-State Of Love And Trust
    DR7 0.00 dB -8.17 dB 3:56 10-Tremor Christ
    DR6 0.00 dB -8.61 dB 5:54 01-Black
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.62 dB 2:30 02-Blood
    DR6 -0.01 dB -7.62 dB 4:56 03-Alive
    DR10 -6.67 dB -21.07 dB 0:24 04-Encore Break 1
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.58 dB 5:06 05-Rearviewmirror
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.36 dB 2:55 06-Whipping
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.61 dB 3:13 07-Leash
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.32 dB 6:04 08-Porch
    DR10 -0.10 dB -15.39 dB 1:00 09-Encore Break 2
    DR6 -0.02 dB -7.84 dB 3:50 10-Swallow My Pride
    DR6 0.00 dB -8.02 dB 3:52 11-Ain't Nothing To Do
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 21
    Official DR value: DR7

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 927 kbps
    Codec: FLAC
    ================================================================================

    MP3:
    foobar2000 1.3.9 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
    log date: 2015-11-26 21:35:41

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, 1993
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR11 -0.62 dB -12.90 dB 5:03 01-Evenflow
    DR10 -0.76 dB -12.62 dB 3:17 02-Once
    DR11 -0.56 dB -12.67 dB 4:24 03-Deep
    DR10 -0.20 dB -13.06 dB 6:27 04-Jeremy
    DR10 -1.17 dB -12.69 dB 3:36 05-Dissident
    DR11 -0.75 dB -14.35 dB 5:26 06-Daughter
    DR10 -1.35 dB -12.89 dB 3:01 07-Go
    DR10 -0.92 dB -12.91 dB 2:50 08-Animal
    DR10 -0.66 dB -12.57 dB 3:39 09-State Of Love And Trust
    DR11 -0.12 dB -13.21 dB 3:56 10-Tremor Christ
    DR10 -0.50 dB -13.63 dB 5:37 11-Black
    DR11 -0.66 dB -12.89 dB 2:39 12-Blood
    DR10 -0.80 dB -13.02 dB 5:16 13-Alive
    DR10 -0.54 dB -12.66 dB 5:03 14-Rearview Mirror
    DR10 0.00 dB -12.21 dB 2:40 15-Whippin
    DR10 -1.01 dB -12.58 dB 3:10 16-Leash
    DR10 -1.15 dB -12.89 dB 6:55 17-Porch
    DR10 -0.70 dB -13.32 dB 3:55 18-Swallow My Pride
    DR10 0.00 dB -13.11 dB 4:12 19-Ain't Nothin' To Do
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 19
    Official DR value: DR10

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bitrate: 256 kbps
    Codec: MP3
    ================================================================================

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