WWII

I ve been to Pearl harbor and a major military base near the cliffs of Dover. I got to tourthe tunnel complex. Both were awesome.

Enkidu said:

Some of the research I did had a Bataan trip - you went to Corregidor and toured that and went (on a bus) to see the death march and then there were tours of some of the POW camps.

I'd like to see this - http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/churchill-war-rooms

I toured that years ago, E. It was fascinating, to put it mildly.

Someday, I hope to visit Theriesenstadt, where my paternal grandmother died. Her husband lived to see freedom.

cp3iverson said:

Fyi....Band of Brothers blu ray set will be $9.99 Black Friday weekend

Thats a phenomenal deal.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

I saw fury today and all I can say is wow! I would definitely recommend it! I thought it was great and pretty realistic.

I thought the last fight was a little much.

But good show for sure.

Tanks. Pretty handy.

Totally agree about the last fight. But otherwise I thought it was a pretty accurate portrayal.

jnimhaoileoin said:

So let me see if I've got this right. Britain entered the war upon the invasion of Poland, determined to protect Poland's sovereignty, only to then abandon them to Soviet occupation. I know this is pretty old news but the mind boggles

That's the enduring controversy of Yalta. Churchill believed stalin would allow free elections.

jnimhaoileoin said:

mrussel1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

So let me see if I've got this right. Britain entered the war upon the invasion of Poland, determined to protect Poland's sovereignty, only to then abandon them to Soviet occupation. I know this is pretty old news but the mind boggles

That's the enduring controversy of Yalta. Churchill believed stalin would allow free elections.

Churchill clearly not as bright as people thought!

I think he trusted Stalin too much and fdr was pretty gone at this point so he wasn't as sharp as he was.

jnimhaoileoin said:

mcgruff10 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mrussel1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

So let me see if I've got this right. Britain entered the war upon the invasion of Poland, determined to protect Poland's sovereignty, only to then abandon them to Soviet occupation. I know this is pretty old news but the mind boggles

That's the enduring controversy of Yalta. Churchill believed stalin would allow free elections.

Churchill clearly not as bright as people thought!

I think he trusted Stalin too much and fdr was pretty gone at this point so he wasn't as sharp as he was.

Did Churchill not hear about the Katyn massacre then?! Let's face it, the Allies had just had enough of the war and decided to leave Eastern Europe to the mercy of the Soviets, who by all accounts were just as brutal as the Nazis as they made their way through Europe

Remember the yalta conference was held in feb 45. No one realized the extent of the holocaust at this time or even soviet crimes since so many more were committed between then and the end of the war. I doubt Churchill or fdr knew about the Katyn massacre or even cared about it when deciding about eastern Europe.
Some U.S. generals (famously Patton) wanted to beat the germans then start fighting the Russians right away.

jnimhaoileoin said:

mcgruff10 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mcgruff10 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mrussel1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

So let me see if I've got this right. Britain entered the war upon the invasion of Poland, determined to protect Poland's sovereignty, only to then abandon them to Soviet occupation. I know this is pretty old news but the mind boggles

That's the enduring controversy of Yalta. Churchill believed stalin would allow free elections.

Churchill clearly not as bright as people thought!

I think he trusted Stalin too much and fdr was pretty gone at this point so he wasn't as sharp as he was.

Did Churchill not hear about the Katyn massacre then?! Let's face it, the Allies had just had enough of the war and decided to leave Eastern Europe to the mercy of the Soviets, who by all accounts were just as brutal as the Nazis as they made their way through Europe

Remember the yalta conference was held in feb 45. No one realized the extent of the holocaust at this time or even soviet crimes since so many more were committed between then and the end of the war. I doubt Churchill or fdr knew about the Katyn massacre or even cared about it when deciding about eastern Europe.
Some U.S. generals (famously Patton) wanted to beat the germans then start fighting the Russians right away.

There are also a lot of stories about captured Germans saying to the Americans and Brits that they should all be uniting to fight the Russians

Yup! And what s even crazier is we hire thousands of nazis to help us beat the soviet Union during the cold war. We pretty much pardon them of all their war time crimes in exchange for them working for us. Hell the guy who basically put us on the moon was the nazi who was pretty much in charge of either v1 or v2 rockets. Google "operation paper clip" bud.

mcgruff10 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mcgruff10 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mcgruff10 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mrussel1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

So let me see if I've got this right. Britain entered the war upon the invasion of Poland, determined to protect Poland's sovereignty, only to then abandon them to Soviet occupation. I know this is pretty old news but the mind boggles

That's the enduring controversy of Yalta. Churchill believed stalin would allow free elections.

Churchill clearly not as bright as people thought!

I think he trusted Stalin too much and fdr was pretty gone at this point so he wasn't as sharp as he was.

Did Churchill not hear about the Katyn massacre then?! Let's face it, the Allies had just had enough of the war and decided to leave Eastern Europe to the mercy of the Soviets, who by all accounts were just as brutal as the Nazis as they made their way through Europe

Remember the yalta conference was held in feb 45. No one realized the extent of the holocaust at this time or even soviet crimes since so many more were committed between then and the end of the war. I doubt Churchill or fdr knew about the Katyn massacre or even cared about it when deciding about eastern Europe.
Some U.S. generals (famously Patton) wanted to beat the germans then start fighting the Russians right away.

There are also a lot of stories about captured Germans saying to the Americans and Brits that they should all be uniting to fight the Russians

Yup! And what s even crazier is we hire thousands of nazis to help us beat the soviet Union during the cold war. We pretty much pardon them of all their war time crimes in exchange for them working for us. Hell the guy who basically put us on the moon was the nazi who was pretty much in charge of either v1 or v2 rockets. Google "operation paper clip" bud.

Some German officers believed that this unified front would happen once the Nazi leadership was deposed. But we still had Japan. Also, think of the devastation of a ground war against the Soviets. There would have been no appetite on any homefront for five more years of war.