What the hell happen in Virginia??

PJ_Soul said:

I looked further into it. The US is by far the worst for gun deaths in the economic leaders of the world, and it 12th in the world overall, only beaten out in places where gang crime is raging out of control and/or where there is war and ongoing extreme conflict. So Mexico and Colombia, Brazil and Panama beat them because of the drug cartels (in all cases most deaths are within the criminal gangs). Panama specifically has basically no gun regulation btw, and smae with severalmof the others losted btw. Where there are regulations the deaths are almost completely restricted to criminal activity). Swasiland beat the US, as does South Africa, the Phillipines, and some other third world countries that I can't recall.
But the US still beats all of those strife - ridden developing nations that should never share a list with a country like the USA in terms of violence and crime but do anyway (and any American should be horrified by just that): the US beats the pants off of all other countries in the world when it comes to school shootings.

Last-12-Exit said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Last-12-Exit said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

interesting: By Dave Boyer - The Washington Times - Friday, August 28, 2015
The White House conceded Friday that new gun regulations probably wouldn’t have prevented the gunman who murdered two television journalists in southwestern Virginia this week.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said it appears that a proposal championed by President Obama to require background checks on purchases at gun shows “would not have applied in this particular case.”

Of course they wouldn't have helped. The background checks don't do enough. But they can. This guy could have been stopped from legally buying a gun.

Question?

What would would have been a "red flag" in the background check for this guy? Just Curious?

That he was fired from a job and police had to be there and the building had to be cleared when he cleaned out his desk? The lawsuits he filed for discrimination? The several complaints to HR?

If background checks could be detailed, this could have prevented him from legally buying that gun.

You are tip toeing into very dangerous territory with said background checks.

If I got slandered by someone and it goes on a "report" then I can't own a gun?

Everything you just listed can then be used against you.

No, I didn't say that. But if you take all of those things, does that not equal one red flag?

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

I looked further into it. The US is by far the worst for gun deaths in the economic leaders of the world, and it 12th in the world overall, only beaten out in places where gang crime is raging out of control and/or where there is war and ongoing extreme conflict. So Mexico and Colombia, Brazil and Panama beat them because of the drug cartels (in all cases most deaths are within the criminal gangs). Panama specifically has basically no gun regulation btw, and same with several of the others listed btwn and apparently the citizens of Panama are begging for it. Where there are regulations the deaths are almost completely restricted to criminal activity). Swasiland beat the US, as does South Africa, the Phillipines, and some other third world countries that I can't recall.
But the US still beats all of those strife - ridden developing nations that should never share a list with a country like the USA in terms of violence and crime but do anyway (and any American should be horrified by just that): the US beats the pants off of all other countries in the world when it comes to school shootings.

I would say that one thing that this all tells us is that population has absolutely nothing to do with gun deaths. It is ALL about culture and about a lot of people being out of control within a nation. That the USA is one of those nations, considering it's relative privilege and wealth and position in the world and relative political and economic stability and high standard of living, is absolutely mind boggling, and totally indefensible.

The US is an economic leader but also has piss poor social programs and the biggest gap between poor and rich.

We let our insane/mental people roam the streets(they aren't the ones doing the shootings I know that)

We have the worst vacation practices compared to other "developed" countries, maternity laws, etc. etc.

I believe all these factors have a significant impact on a culture.

The USA still has a very high quality of life compared to most countries, and the huge gap in wealth isn't because everyone is poor. It's because the rich are so dammed rich. I know the middle class is shrinking, but Americans still live in much greater comfort and luxury than most. I also believe that you are fooling yourself about the social support etc etc if you're comparing to the rest of the world. Sure, some first world nations beat the US there. But there are hundreds of countries thst are way worse, and only 11 of them have more gun deaths than the US.
I really do think you're just trying to make excuses here. The obvious distinction in the US is a very unique obsession with guns. Not all the other stuff you're bringing up. And i son's think the things you mention can be used to explain that obsession either. I think what explains the obsession is YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAW! U-S-A!! The 2nd Amendment, Whoohoo! From my cold dead hands! .... if you get what I mean. Gun culture.

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

I looked further into it. The US is by far the worst for gun deaths in the economic leaders of the world, and it 12th in the world overall, only beaten out in places where gang crime is raging out of control and/or where there is war and ongoing extreme conflict. So Mexico and Colombia, Brazil and Panama beat them because of the drug cartels (in all cases most deaths are within the criminal gangs). Panama specifically has basically no gun regulation btw, and same with several of the others listed btwn and apparently the citizens of Panama are begging for it. Where there are regulations the deaths are almost completely restricted to criminal activity). Swasiland beat the US, as does South Africa, the Phillipines, and some other third world countries that I can't recall.
But the US still beats all of those strife - ridden developing nations that should never share a list with a country like the USA in terms of violence and crime but do anyway (and any American should be horrified by just that): the US beats the pants off of all other countries in the world when it comes to school shootings.

I would say that one thing that this all tells us is that population has absolutely nothing to do with gun deaths. It is ALL about culture and about a lot of people being out of control within a nation. That the USA is one of those nations, considering it's relative privilege and wealth and position in the world and relative political and economic stability and high standard of living, is absolutely mind boggling, and totally indefensible.

The US is an economic leader but also has piss poor social programs and the biggest gap between poor and rich.

We let our insane/mental people roam the streets(they aren't the ones doing the shootings I know that)

We have the worst vacation practices compared to other "developed" countries, maternity laws, etc. etc.

I believe all these factors have a significant impact on a culture.

The USA still has a very high quality of life compared to most countries, and the huge gap in wealth isn't because everyone is poor. It's because the rich are so dammed rich. I know the middle class is shrinking, but Americans still live in much greater comfort and luxury than most. I also believe that you are fooling yourself about the social support etc etc if you're comparing to the rest of the world. Sure, some first world nations beat the US there. But there are hundreds of countries thst are way worse, and only 11 of them have more gun deaths than the US.
I really do think you're just trying to make excuses here. The obvious distinction in the US is a very unique obsession with guns. Not all the other stuff you're bringing up. And i son's think the things you mention can be used to explain that obsession either. I think what explains the obsession is YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAW! U-S-A!! The 2nd Amendment, Whoohoo! From my cold dead hands! .... if you get what I mean. Gun culture.

That list up above that someone posted. Look at all those countries and tell me which one has worse social practices than the US…

I do agree that the US has a love for guns. No doubt about it. Never disagreed with that.

I'm also looking at it from a completely different view that everyone wants to just dismiss.

There is definitely something wrong with a society as a whole when you feel the urge to go on a killing spree.

hedonist said:

I think also consciously - and I appreciate it from anyone who shows themselves. It don't come easy.

GF knows where I stand, and it's reciprocated from his end.

Dude may make me at times...fuck knows I've done the same to many - but I've also come to know aspects which I find honest, thoughtful and willing to re-examine stances and laugh at himself in the process.

Anyway...mellow here. No drama. And if GF is willing to PM me his address, I shall send him one big motherfucker of a dictionary