Just give me one way to keep the weapons from the lunatics and prevent mass murders , that's what I want the mass murders to stop where one or more innocent humans get killed ...tell me how that can be prevented
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
GF, seriously, you don't seem to know how to consider the numbers in the that article. The main factor missing altogether is who bought the guns vs who is committing the gun related crimes (as opposed to just talking "violent crime", which isn't just gun violence). Without that stat, the info is basically useless.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....
Can't recall them specifically (though I think most here do honestly read and consider such articles and only discount them if there is a reason to do so), but just wondering what the end game is for you guys? I.e. Assuming you are willing to admit there is a really bad gun violence problem in the USA, what do you think needs to be done to dramatically reduce it, if not better gun regulation and fewer guns? Sorry if you've said before, but I don't recall ever seeing a real solution suggested by either one of you. Are your ideas rooted in somehow adjusting the criminal justice system? If so, do you have stats on first time offenders who hurt or kill using guns? Would also like to know about your ideas regarding accidental gun deaths connected to both responsible and irresponsible gun owners.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
So you're saying the number of violent crimes have dropped because of more guns?
i'm not saying it s the only factor but it could be a part of the equation. i think carry permits in chicago definitely helped deter crime.
however no matter what you say it totally kills your argument that more guns equals more crime.
It only kills the argument if the data reveals that the number of gun increasing is directly related to crime going down. Which it clearly does not. But keep googling, you might find an article that does from the NRA that does.
Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22
well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns. and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.
Godfather.
'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
I think I saw that once on YouTube.
"I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
That's racist
Yah. I'm a hillbillyphobe.
Do you deliberately act this way or is it your true nature?
I'm glad someone asked that. I've been curious.
Aaaannndddd que the ganging up (bullying)
Does it get old? I bet that dopamine hit you get while insulting me repeatedly, yet ignoring my direct questions, is pretty nice.
Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22
well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns. and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.
Godfather.
'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
I think I saw that once on YouTube.
"I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
That's racist
Yah. I'm a hillbillyphobe.
Do you deliberately act this way or is it your true nature?
I'm glad someone asked that. I've been curious.
Aaaannndddd que the ganging up (bullying)
Does it get old? I bet that dopamine hit you get while insulting me repeatedly, yet ignoring my direct questions, is pretty nice.
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....
Can't recall them specifically (though I think most here do honestly read and consider such articles and only discount them if there is a reason to do so), but just wondering what the end game is for you guys? I.e. Assuming you are willing to admit there is a really bad gun violence problem in the USA, what do you think needs to be done to dramatically reduce it, if not better gun regulation and fewer guns? Sorry if you've said before, but I don't recall ever seeing a real solution suggested by either one of you. Are your ideas rooted in somehow adjusting the criminal justice system? If so, do you have stats on first time offenders who hurt or kill using guns? Would also like to know about your ideas regarding accidental gun deaths connected to both responsible and irresponsible gun owners.
i've said this numerous times but here's my solutions one more time: (originally directed to my friend callen)
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly. There you go my friend! Mike
Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22
well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns. and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.
Godfather.
'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
I think I saw that once on YouTube.
"I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
That's racist
Yah. I'm a hillbillyphobe.
Do you deliberately act this way or is it your true nature?
I'm glad someone asked that. I've been curious.
Aaaannndddd que the ganging up (bullying)
Does it get old? I bet that dopamine hit you get while insulting me repeatedly, yet ignoring my direct questions, is pretty nice.
No sure about Thirty, but for me it's a serious question. I don't recall you ever asking me a direct question that I didn't answer, but if you did, then I missed the questions, so feel free to ask again. That said, you are the one who hasn't answer any question I've asked you. Yes, this victim card really is getting old. And in case you haven't noticed, it doesn't work, either.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....
Can't recall them specifically (though I think most here do honestly read and consider such articles and only discount them if there is a reason to do so), but just wondering what the end game is for you guys? I.e. Assuming you are willing to admit there is a really bad gun violence problem in the USA, what do you think needs to be done to dramatically reduce it, if not better gun regulation and fewer guns? Sorry if you've said before, but I don't recall ever seeing a real solution suggested by either one of you. Are your ideas rooted in somehow adjusting the criminal justice system? If so, do you have stats on first time offenders who hurt or kill using guns? Would also like to know about your ideas regarding accidental gun deaths connected to both responsible and irresponsible gun owners.
i've said this numerous times but here's my solutions one more time: (originally directed to my friend callen)
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly. There you go my friend! Mike
Ok this to me would be a great way to move forward and you get to keep your guns which by the way no one here ever said to ban all guns or take them from you ....
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....
Can't recall them specifically (though I think most here do honestly read and consider such articles and only discount them if there is a reason to do so), but just wondering what the end game is for you guys? I.e. Assuming you are willing to admit there is a really bad gun violence problem in the USA, what do you think needs to be done to dramatically reduce it, if not better gun regulation and fewer guns? Sorry if you've said before, but I don't recall ever seeing a real solution suggested by either one of you. Are your ideas rooted in somehow adjusting the criminal justice system? If so, do you have stats on first time offenders who hurt or kill using guns? Would also like to know about your ideas regarding accidental gun deaths connected to both responsible and irresponsible gun owners.
i've said this numerous times but here's my solutions one more time: (originally directed to my friend callen)
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly. There you go my friend! Mike
Ok this to me would be a great way to move forward and you get to keep your guns which by the way no one here ever said to ban all guns or take them from you ....
jose you already agreed with me once before on this same post lol. I seriously think that a lot of my suggestions are just common sense but for some reason people are scared as hell to put these measures into place. However there are people on here that want to ban certain guns and tax the hell out of ammo, that I have a problem with.
Okay McGruff. So you do support a lot more regulation than I realized (which is what I think most people who I guess you would consider on the other side of the fence from you think).... I personally don't approve of taxing ammo either (or raising the retail prices). That would just bolster those who reject regulation. But I do support banning certain weapons. Citizens shouldn't be able to buy automatics at all, anywhere, for any reason. I think the military (with government oversight obviously) should strictly monitor their manufacture (or even take over their manufacture altogether) to prevent them from being attained illegally.
Where you really lost me is the education of children part. I think the only thing being taught to children is that guns are a really fucking bad idea if they're not needed for hunting for food or in the military, and that if they ever see one, don't go near it and tell an adult. Adding guns as a thing to learn about in school in the context of teaching them how to use them would just fuel the already totally out of control gun culture in the US, which I think is the #1 problem in the first place. I think this whole "responsible gun owner" thing is pretty much a crock in the US tbh (you didn't mention accidental deaths... plenty of those are from guns owned by the so-called responsible owners). I think that some kind of anti-gun culture plan needs to be formulated for a long term plan to get Americans' heads out of the whole thing in general. Not sure what that would look like, but it would probably be really hard and take generations... Worth it though.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22
well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns. and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.
Godfather.
'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
I think I saw that once on YouTube.
"I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
That's racist
Yah. I'm a hillbillyphobe.
Do you deliberately act this way or is it your true nature?
I'm glad someone asked that. I've been curious.
Aaaannndddd que the ganging up (bullying)
Does it get old? I bet that dopamine hit you get while insulting me repeatedly, yet ignoring my direct questions, is pretty nice.
You call me a racist in laughable fashion... and then cry victim when you're challenged on your ridiculous assertion.
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....
Your partner in crime is rubbing off on you.
I did 'star' at those facts in my face... but you guys aren't seriously trying to establish a foothold in this argument suggesting 170 million new guns is responsible for less violent crime are you? McScruffy... you've been a very credible and well spoken advocate for the pro gun side... but if this is something you subscribe to with any measurable level of belief... I'm not too sure what to say?
You do realize that there is a strong correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths that has consistently been rebuffed by people arguing on the same side of the fence as yourself, right?
Okay McGruff. So you do support a lot more regulation than I realized (which is what I think most people who I guess you would consider on the other side of the fence from you).... I personally don't approve of taxing ammo either (or raising the retail prices). That would just bolster those who reject regulation. But I do support banning certain weapons. Citizens shouldn't be able to buy automatics at all, anywhere, for any reason. I think the military (with government oversight obviously) should strictly monitor their manufacture (or even take over their manufacture altogether) to prevent them from being attained illegally.
Where you really lost me is the education of children part. I think the only thing being taught to children is that guns are a really fucking bad idea if they're not needed for hunting for food or in the military, and that if they ever see one, don't go near it and tell an adult. Adding guns as a thing to learn about in school in the context of teaching them how to use them would just fuel the already totally out of control gun culture in the US, which I think is the #1 problem in the first place. I think this whole "responsible gun owner" thing is pretty much a crock in the US tbh (you didn't mention accidental deaths... plenty of those are from guns owned by the so-called responsible owners). I think that some kind of anti-gun culture plan needs to be formulated for a long term plan to get Americans' heads out of the whole thing in general. Not sure what that would look like, but it would probably be really hard and take generations... Worth it though.
no no not education as in how to teach them to shoot, rather when they see a gun respect it, don't touch it..what it can do...etc etc. accidental deaths....create a law that provided a gun lock with every purchase. (it's a nice start) oh and automatic weapons are already banned in the us.
thirty, your post is questioning opinions and beliefs and you post it as if your in the right, how can that be ? if 170,000 guns were sold I'd say that there are pleanty of people that have different views than you on gun ownership.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
thirty, your post is questioning opinions and beliefs and you post it as if your in the right, how can that be ? if 170,000 guns were sold I'd say that there are pleanty of people that have different views than you on gun ownership.
I'd like to buy an" E " Pat
Godfather.
Hahahaha!
I'll give you an 'e'. I already did to be honest.
GF... firstly, its 170,000,000. Secondly... I'm well aware there are opinions contrary to mine regarding gun ownership. I can only assert what I believe, but what I assert is with the interest of your children at heart. I'm not promoting my views to piss you, McScruffy, or Goingtoverona off. And I'm not pushing my perspective for any personal gain.
The rest of the world has a pretty unbiased opinion on the issue as outsiders looking in. It's unanimous amongst the foreign contingency here that the problem is real and the root of the problem is... guns- lots of them, too many of them, and the wrong kinds.
Is it possible the rest of the world might be right imploring your country to make some changes? We're not secretly trying to disarm you so we can attack you. It just sickens us when we read of the daily heartbreaking stories that seem so unnecessary- just like the other international stories where people suffering is the topic.
some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.
Godfather.
Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....
Can't recall them specifically (though I think most here do honestly read and consider such articles and only discount them if there is a reason to do so), but just wondering what the end game is for you guys? I.e. Assuming you are willing to admit there is a really bad gun violence problem in the USA, what do you think needs to be done to dramatically reduce it, if not better gun regulation and fewer guns? Sorry if you've said before, but I don't recall ever seeing a real solution suggested by either one of you. Are your ideas rooted in somehow adjusting the criminal justice system? If so, do you have stats on first time offenders who hurt or kill using guns? Would also like to know about your ideas regarding accidental gun deaths connected to both responsible and irresponsible gun owners.
i've said this numerous times but here's my solutions one more time: (originally directed to my friend callen)
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly. There you go my friend! Mike
Ok this to me would be a great way to move forward and you get to keep your guns which by the way no one here ever said to ban all guns or take them from you ....
jose you already agreed with me once before on this same post lol. I seriously think that a lot of my suggestions are just common sense but for some reason people are scared as hell to put these measures into place. However there are people on here that want to ban certain guns and tax the hell out of ammo, that I have a problem with.
Yes sir you are correct sorry for the double agreement lol it happens with old age
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
Do ya think?
with some people yes. they make these accusations and suggestions but have zero clue what they are talking about. you my friend know your stuff and actually back up your opinion with sensible ideas that although I don't agree with I can respect.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
For someone so quick to cry wolf bullying at innocuous comments, you seem pretty quick to talk smack at others. It's truly not inconceivable to have rational discussion here, even when passionate.
Anyway, I heard a story on the news this morning about a 15-year-old kid who went on a shooting spree at his school; had an AK-47 or AR-15, I don't know (hahaha!)...but how the hell does someone his age get his hands on such a weapon? And he had others stashed at home.
What's supremely sad is when I tried to Google the story, a shitload of links to similar incidents came up.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
For someone so quick to cry wolf bullying at innocuous comments, you seem pretty quick to talk smack at others. It's truly not inconceivable to have rational discussion here, even when passionate.
Anyway, I heard a story on the news this morning about a 15-year-old kid who went on a shooting spree at his school; had an AK-47 or AR-15, I don't know (hahaha!)...but how the hell does someone his age get his hands on such a weapon? And he had others stashed at home.
What's supremely sad is when I tried to Google the story, a shitload of links to similar incidents came up.
well he didn't buy his legally. one of his dumbass parents didn't securely lock it up.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is that still semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
I didn't realize that it is imperative that I had to remember whether or not an AK-47 is automatic or semi-automatic in order to have an opinion. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.
Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is that still semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
I didn't realize that it is imperative that I had to remember whether or not an AK-47 is automatic or semi-automatic in order to have an opinion. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.
Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!
So how on earth can you have such a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about? That s crazy.
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Godfather.
The main factor missing altogether is who bought the guns vs who is committing the gun related crimes (as opposed to just talking "violent crime", which isn't just gun violence). Without that stat, the info is basically useless.
Godfather.
Does it get old? I bet that dopamine hit you get while insulting me repeatedly, yet ignoring my direct questions, is pretty nice.
(originally directed to my friend callen)
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly.
There you go my friend!
Mike
I don't recall you ever asking me a direct question that I didn't answer, but if you did, then I missed the questions, so feel free to ask again. That said, you are the one who hasn't answer any question I've asked you.
Yes, this victim card really is getting old. And in case you haven't noticed, it doesn't work, either.
However there are people on here that want to ban certain guns and tax the hell out of ammo, that I have a problem with.
Where you really lost me is the education of children part. I think the only thing being taught to children is that guns are a really fucking bad idea if they're not needed for hunting for food or in the military, and that if they ever see one, don't go near it and tell an adult. Adding guns as a thing to learn about in school in the context of teaching them how to use them would just fuel the already totally out of control gun culture in the US, which I think is the #1 problem in the first place. I think this whole "responsible gun owner" thing is pretty much a crock in the US tbh (you didn't mention accidental deaths... plenty of those are from guns owned by the so-called responsible owners). I think that some kind of anti-gun culture plan needs to be formulated for a long term plan to get Americans' heads out of the whole thing in general. Not sure what that would look like, but it would probably be really hard and take generations... Worth it though.
Get back on your meds. Good lord, man.
I did 'star' at those facts in my face... but you guys aren't seriously trying to establish a foothold in this argument suggesting 170 million new guns is responsible for less violent crime are you? McScruffy... you've been a very credible and well spoken advocate for the pro gun side... but if this is something you subscribe to with any measurable level of belief... I'm not too sure what to say?
You do realize that there is a strong correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths that has consistently been rebuffed by people arguing on the same side of the fence as yourself, right?
accidental deaths....create a law that provided a gun lock with every purchase. (it's a nice start)
oh and automatic weapons are already banned in the us.
I'd like to buy an" E " Pat
Godfather.
Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.
I'll give you an 'e'. I already did to be honest.
GF... firstly, its 170,000,000. Secondly... I'm well aware there are opinions contrary to mine regarding gun ownership. I can only assert what I believe, but what I assert is with the interest of your children at heart. I'm not promoting my views to piss you, McScruffy, or Goingtoverona off. And I'm not pushing my perspective for any personal gain.
The rest of the world has a pretty unbiased opinion on the issue as outsiders looking in. It's unanimous amongst the foreign contingency here that the problem is real and the root of the problem is... guns- lots of them, too many of them, and the wrong kinds.
Is it possible the rest of the world might be right imploring your country to make some changes? We're not secretly trying to disarm you so we can attack you. It just sickens us when we read of the daily heartbreaking stories that seem so unnecessary- just like the other international stories where people suffering is the topic.
Seems to be the case around here most of the time.
wolfbullying at innocuous comments, you seem pretty quick to talk smack at others. It's truly not inconceivable to have rational discussion here, even when passionate.Anyway, I heard a story on the news this morning about a 15-year-old kid who went on a shooting spree at his school; had an AK-47 or AR-15, I don't know (hahaha!)...but how the hell does someone his age get his hands on such a weapon? And he had others stashed at home.
What's supremely sad is when I tried to Google the story, a shitload of links to similar incidents came up.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.
Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!