What the hell happen in Virginia??

mcgruff10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

James Holmes was a responsible gun owner until he wasn't

Dylan Roof was a responsible gun owner until he wasn't

Adam Lanza's mother was a responsible gun owner until she wasn't

Bryce Williams or whatever his name was was a responsible gun owner until he wasn't

Shall I go on?

come on bro, adam lanza's mom was murdered by adam, a little different. after he murdered her he got the gun safe keys and we know the rest.

Fair enough, but Adam lanza's mom bought her lunatic son an AR 15, so maybe I should have left her out all together

here's a recent news report of how a gun is used to defend:
NORTH LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) – It's a parent's nightmare – the children are home alone when robbers break in.

Two young men are caught on surveillance video breaking in to Kieawa Mason's home.

His 14-year-old son, Andrew, and his younger twins were the only ones home. Andrew and his siblings were trained not to answer when anyone knocked.

"Eventually I hear a thud on the door so I assume, he's breaking in," Andrew said.

The kids ran upstairs and followed what their dad had told them to do in this scenario. They hid in a closet.

"He taught me what to do. I had a rifle I had a cell phone, called 911. I was just prepared for it," Andrew said.

The thieves start packing up a silver sports car with stolen goods. But Andrew was still in the closet with his brother, rifle in hand.

One suspect eventually found them, saw the gun and ran. Surveillance cameras caught the pair speeding off.

Kieawa Mason was proud of his son's quick thinking and furious someone would rattle their peace of mind.

"It truly angers you,” he said. “My wife and I work very hard. We don't bother anyone, and for someone to come violate our family our household, it really is upsetting."

Kieawa Mason took to social media and posted photos of the criminals online. He said he received a great response and tells News 3 he's very confident they'll be caught.

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

here's a recent news report of how a gun is used to defend:
NORTH LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) – It's a parent's nightmare – the children are home alone when robbers break in.

Two young men are caught on surveillance video breaking in to Kieawa Mason's home.

His 14-year-old son, Andrew, and his younger twins were the only ones home. Andrew and his siblings were trained not to answer when anyone knocked.

"Eventually I hear a thud on the door so I assume, he's breaking in," Andrew said.

The kids ran upstairs and followed what their dad had told them to do in this scenario. They hid in a closet.

"He taught me what to do. I had a rifle I had a cell phone, called 911. I was just prepared for it," Andrew said.

The thieves start packing up a silver sports car with stolen goods. But Andrew was still in the closet with his brother, rifle in hand.

One suspect eventually found them, saw the gun and ran. Surveillance cameras caught the pair speeding off.

Kieawa Mason was proud of his son's quick thinking and furious someone would rattle their peace of mind.

"It truly angers you,” he said. “My wife and I work very hard. We don't bother anyone, and for someone to come violate our family our household, it really is upsetting."

Kieawa Mason took to social media and posted photos of the criminals online. He said he received a great response and tells News 3 he's very confident they'll be caught.

That still doesn't change the fact that that particular gun was designed and made to kill someone or something.

Grasping for straws huh?

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

GF, If all guns in US disappeared tomorrow do you think murders would go down?

yes and no butts about it, that's true with anything that causes death tho, eleminate cars and truck and watch traffic deaths decline to zero, eleminate booze and watch booze related deaths drop to zero and so on.

Godfather.

When innocents die in numbers that label gun assaults an EPIDEMIC, and you have a cure, why are you so damn hasty to label it unconstitutional to consider stricter gun reforms, as opposed to saying your pathetic constitutional rights - long since antiquated - ought to be revised in the interests of your country which you claim to love?

you live in canada ? has anybody ever estamated the amount of illegal guns in your country ? honestly I'm just curious because I'll bet there are a grip of them and murders with or without guns how many a year...1-2-200 ? more ? I know for a fact you have a few outlaw clubs in canada and you can't tell me they are unarmed.

Godfather.

Doesn't our population equal all of theirs together?

So someone called it above that someone wouldn't know how to read the chart. hahah.

Per 100,000....

No I believe I asked the question " Doesn't our population equal all of theirs"…

I guess someone doesn't know how to read the question?

Except for the fact you were referring to a chart in which population size is irrelevant

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

GF, If all guns in US disappeared tomorrow do you think murders would go down?

yes and no butts about it, that's true with anything that causes death tho, eleminate cars and truck and watch traffic deaths decline to zero, eleminate booze and watch booze related deaths drop to zero and so on.

Godfather.

When innocents die in numbers that label gun assaults an EPIDEMIC, and you have a cure, why are you so damn hasty to label it unconstitutional to consider stricter gun reforms, as opposed to saying your pathetic constitutional rights - long since antiquated - ought to be revised in the interests of your country which you claim to love?

you live in canada ? has anybody ever estamated the amount of illegal guns in your country ? honestly I'm just curious because I'll bet there are a grip of them and murders with or without guns how many a year...1-2-200 ? more ? I know for a fact you have a few outlaw clubs in canada and you can't tell me they are unarmed.

Godfather.

Doesn't our population equal all of theirs together?

So someone called it above that someone wouldn't know how to read the chart. hahah.

Per 100,000....

No I believe I asked the question " Doesn't our population equal all of theirs"…

I guess someone doesn't know how to read the question?

Except for the fact you were referring to a chart in which population size is irrelevant

I was setting up for my next question which doesn't matter, you are either for guns or against them, right?

- so you wanted to "set up" for your next question but were too lazy to do the math yourself?

Okay, that got me interested in looking into this. In fact, my rough math is that the total population of the other countries on the map is around 460 million, compared to 320 million for the US.

Does that set up nicely for your next point, or not?

Last-12-Exit said:

Isn't this thread and most of the gun debate relative to the United states. So who cares what Zimbabwes GNP is? Why does it matter if Austrias unemployment rate is 3%?

You see the death rate by guns in Zimbabwe? I'm sure that there are parallels to be drawn?

I think that it does matter...

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

GF, If all guns in US disappeared tomorrow do you think murders would go down?

yes and no butts about it, that's true with anything that causes death tho, eleminate cars and truck and watch traffic deaths decline to zero, eleminate booze and watch booze related deaths drop to zero and so on.

Godfather.

When innocents die in numbers that label gun assaults an EPIDEMIC, and you have a cure, why are you so damn hasty to label it unconstitutional to consider stricter gun reforms, as opposed to saying your pathetic constitutional rights - long since antiquated - ought to be revised in the interests of your country which you claim to love?

you live in canada ? has anybody ever estamated the amount of illegal guns in your country ? honestly I'm just curious because I'll bet there are a grip of them and murders with or without guns how many a year...1-2-200 ? more ? I know for a fact you have a few outlaw clubs in canada and you can't tell me they are unarmed.

Godfather.

Doesn't our population equal all of theirs together?

So someone called it above that someone wouldn't know how to read the chart. hahah.

Per 100,000....

No I believe I asked the question " Doesn't our population equal all of theirs"…

I guess someone doesn't know how to read the question?

Except for the fact you were referring to a chart in which population size is irrelevant

I was setting up for my next question which doesn't matter, you are either for guns or against them, right?

- so you wanted to "set up" for your next question but were too lazy to do the math yourself?

Okay, that got me interested in looking into this. In fact, my rough math is that the total population of the other countries on the map is around 460 million, compared to 320 million for the US.

Does that set up nicely for your next point, or not?

Nothing I say is going to change the minds of anyone but I'll try…

With other countries and their smaller populations they don't incur nearly the "problems" we do.

What is their welfare % to ours? What is the middle-class ratio to population to ours? What is their standard of living for their population compared to ours? Will I look these up? No. I believe that all these things have factors in them. Our population as a whole has a HUGE difference on things.

Basically I believe that you can't compare Germany for example with us, even if you use the 100,000 breakdown.

I just don't think that it's a fair comparison. That was my "set up"...

I think if you're going to make arguments about social factors you have to at least look up the facts on those social factors, rather than just saying "I think something in there might be true but I don't care enough to look it up and make a cogent argument".

I don't see how simple population size could have anything to do with it. If you were making an argument around population density, then that might have some merit; for instance, if you posited that higher density led to increased conflict, increased crime, or some such. However, almost all of those other countries have a higher density (other than Canada and Australia), so that doesn't work.

However, I'll say one thing; I do think you are right that there is something different about the USA and Americans. Unfortunately, that different thing just comes back to a preoccupation with guns.