I am happy to see some here acknowledging my comments.
While I do support the right for freedom, and to not be told how and when to do things, when it comes to this I just can't wrap my head around the logic. I hear so often that it's a "choice" but no one has an answer to this. There is a clear choice in the matter.. If you refrain from sex, you can't get pregnant. Period. That's the "choice" we all have. After you've made your "choice" you either have to live with the repercussions, which most everyone knows is possible; or, come up with a valid excuse to get what you want.. Which is how I feel this has turned. Can anyone explain why more don't argue this?
Would it be fair for someone who couldn't afford an abortion to have a child, bring it home and kill them? Because they didn't want a child? What about the dumpster babies? I see no difference.
Please forgive my harshness. It just can not make sense in my brain. At all.
And in today's world, where a video of a dog getting kicked, or a baby being neglected will spark the biggest outcry you've ever seen, or hell, even the shrine left to the dead raccoon in Toronto..
All of this outcry towards things like this, but when it comes to killing a fetus/infant it's debated to death and mindlessly repeated "we have a choice" like the sound bites successfully planted inside everyone's brains in the late 80s, with no real back up as to why the choice is not sex, but to get rid of the child.
You're right to choose is to choose to have sex or not! Anything beyond that is a cop out.
Rape victim? Victim of incest? You're saying 'tough shit deal with it'?
Sex is a pretty strong instinct we have and it's one of the more enjoyable things human beings can enjoy during their brief time on this planet. In the event of an accidental pregnancy, a young woman shouldn't be sentenced to 'life with child' in the event she's not ready for that stage of life.
Dumpster babies are not the same thing as mucky goo. If a woman brings a child into the earth, she can give the child to adoption agencies before throwing it away while it has senses and can feel pain and discomfort.
I'll be harsh too. We have too many people on this planet as it is. The Christian families with 12 children place an incredible burden on the planet's ability to sustain lives.
And unwanted and unloved children often become problems for everyone later in life as a by-product of their upbringing.
No, rape victims and babies to be born with huge birth defects, those reasons are acceptable, and likely the reason abortion was created in the first place.
I am speaking of anyone who willingly has sex and uses abortion as birth control. That's 99.9% of abortions in the USA by the way.
Can you cite a link backing that number up? I simply don't believe that. You tend to lose credibility when you throw numbers out like this.
If someone thinks there is no difference between a born baby and a partially developed fetus inside a woman's own womb, there really is no arguing against that. Thank goodness the supreme courts of Canada and the US felt differently.
There is a huge difference. One can survive on its own. The other cant.
I am happy to see some here acknowledging my comments.
While I do support the right for freedom, and to not be told how and when to do things, when it comes to this I just can't wrap my head around the logic. I hear so often that it's a "choice" but no one has an answer to this. There is a clear choice in the matter.. If you refrain from sex, you can't get pregnant. Period. That's the "choice" we all have. After you've made your "choice" you either have to live with the repercussions, which most everyone knows is possible; or, come up with a valid excuse to get what you want.. Which is how I feel this has turned. Can anyone explain why more don't argue this?
Would it be fair for someone who couldn't afford an abortion to have a child, bring it home and kill them? Because they didn't want a child? What about the dumpster babies? I see no difference.
Please forgive my harshness. It just can not make sense in my brain. At all.
And in today's world, where a video of a dog getting kicked, or a baby being neglected will spark the biggest outcry you've ever seen, or hell, even the shrine left to the dead raccoon in Toronto..
All of this outcry towards things like this, but when it comes to killing a fetus/infant it's debated to death and mindlessly repeated "we have a choice" like the sound bites successfully planted inside everyone's brains in the late 80s, with no real back up as to why the choice is not sex, but to get rid of the child.
You're right to choose is to choose to have sex or not! Anything beyond that is a cop out.
Rape victim? Victim of incest? You're saying 'tough shit deal with it'?
Sex is a pretty strong instinct we have and it's one of the more enjoyable things human beings can enjoy during their brief time on this planet. In the event of an accidental pregnancy, a young woman shouldn't be sentenced to 'life with child' in the event she's not ready for that stage of life.
Dumpster babies are not the same thing as mucky goo. If a woman brings a child into the earth, she can give the child to adoption agencies before throwing it away while it has senses and can feel pain and discomfort.
I'll be harsh too. We have too many people on this planet as it is. The Christian families with 12 children place an incredible burden on the planet's ability to sustain lives.
And unwanted and unloved children often become problems for everyone later in life as a by-product of their upbringing.
No, rape victims and babies to be born with huge birth defects, those reasons are acceptable, and likely the reason abortion was created in the first place.
I am speaking of anyone who willingly has sex and uses abortion as birth control. That's 99.9% of abortions in the USA by the way.
Then you are partially conflicted.
How is the life of a unborn child as a result of rape different from that spawned from a night of unprotected sex or failed birth control?
Seriously?? When two adults CHOOSE to have sex, they are taking a risk.
When some asshole rapes a girl, that's not the girl choosing, it's one person only choosing. The girl being raped had zero say so. She didn't choose to have sex. She didn't understand and still ignore the risk.
But, The girl who had one too many glasses of wine and decides "lets fuck!!" Then gets pregnant, and decides she can't handle the choice she (already) made, and decides to kill a child due to her own selfishness and lack of responsibility, is two totally different situations.
If you can't see that, I can't help you.
Same with major birth defects. Sometimes it's in the benefit of the child's quality of life, to end the life rather than have it live from day one being miserable. That's the same as putting down an animal who is too sick to recover, for the sake of the animal.
That's not being selfish or irresponsible either.
You do realize, in today's world, that nearly ALL abortions are just because the mother doesn't want to have a kid. Right? It's kids fucking without a sense of responsibility, and when they have this happen they "deal with it" it's not all peaches and cream, last resort stuff here. It's almost always (from my experience at least) about being unresponsible and taking the easy solution to a problem, which in turn ends the life of someone who has no say so.
Yah. I'm real serious.
What are you arguing? Are you (A) flaunting your morals and telling everyone how they should live and what choices they should make? Or are you (B) arguing for the lives of unborn children no matter what stage of development they might be in?
If you are arguing for (A)... nobody's interested. And such a tactic is tantamount to knocking on people's doors and trying to convince them of the impending apocalypse and salvation from it.
If you are arguing (B)... and then saying, "Oh, but yah... f**k the unborn child conceived from rape"... then you are conflicted. What difference exists between the gooey messes as far as the gooey messes are concerned?
So which is it? (A)... or (B)?
* For the record... I do think it is immoral to resort to an abortion after being recklessly careless. However, I still think that decision is an individual choice.
It's neither. I feel a certain way about the issue. I stated that and left it alone.
Then others brought my opinion up, and we're debating it, so I was trying to clarify.
I won't keep confirming how I feel. You guys get it. Sorry to be so harsh about how I feel, i still can't wrap my head around how so many can justify it. I don't expect everyone to agree.
I am happy to see some here acknowledging my comments.
While I do support the right for freedom, and to not be told how and when to do things, when it comes to this I just can't wrap my head around the logic. I hear so often that it's a "choice" but no one has an answer to this. There is a clear choice in the matter.. If you refrain from sex, you can't get pregnant. Period. That's the "choice" we all have. After you've made your "choice" you either have to live with the repercussions, which most everyone knows is possible; or, come up with a valid excuse to get what you want.. Which is how I feel this has turned. Can anyone explain why more don't argue this?
Would it be fair for someone who couldn't afford an abortion to have a child, bring it home and kill them? Because they didn't want a child? What about the dumpster babies? I see no difference.
Please forgive my harshness. It just can not make sense in my brain. At all.
And in today's world, where a video of a dog getting kicked, or a baby being neglected will spark the biggest outcry you've ever seen, or hell, even the shrine left to the dead raccoon in Toronto..
All of this outcry towards things like this, but when it comes to killing a fetus/infant it's debated to death and mindlessly repeated "we have a choice" like the sound bites successfully planted inside everyone's brains in the late 80s, with no real back up as to why the choice is not sex, but to get rid of the child.
You're right to choose is to choose to have sex or not! Anything beyond that is a cop out.
Rape victim? Victim of incest? You're saying 'tough shit deal with it'?
Sex is a pretty strong instinct we have and it's one of the more enjoyable things human beings can enjoy during their brief time on this planet. In the event of an accidental pregnancy, a young woman shouldn't be sentenced to 'life with child' in the event she's not ready for that stage of life.
Dumpster babies are not the same thing as mucky goo. If a woman brings a child into the earth, she can give the child to adoption agencies before throwing it away while it has senses and can feel pain and discomfort.
I'll be harsh too. We have too many people on this planet as it is. The Christian families with 12 children place an incredible burden on the planet's ability to sustain lives.
And unwanted and unloved children often become problems for everyone later in life as a by-product of their upbringing.
No, rape victims and babies to be born with huge birth defects, those reasons are acceptable, and likely the reason abortion was created in the first place.
I am speaking of anyone who willingly has sex and uses abortion as birth control. That's 99.9% of abortions in the USA by the way.
Here is where your position loses merit. The bolded statement tells me your anti-choice view is just punitive. Allow me to explain.
After several posts, some graphically, referring to abortion as murder, you state that abortion in the case of rape or huge birth defects is acceptable. Why? Because they are unwanted pregnancies, correct? I think most of us would agree she should have the option to abort.
Now, in the case of a woman facing an unwanted pregnancy not resulting from rape or fetal birth defect, you say “tough shit.” Why? Because [if you] “don't want a baby? Don't choose to have sex.”
Hmmm.
In both cases, there is an unwanted pregnancy. In the first case of rape or birth defect, you show compassion for the woman and agree she should legally have the choice to abort. I would too. However, in the second case, your No-Choice position would not allow her to decide what is best for her situation. You would expect her to “live with the repercussions” and deny her the option to abort because you do not like her choice. I strongly disagree with this position.
That is the crux of the Pro-Choice versus the No-Choice positions. The No-Choice position seeks to control the decisions of women and limit their options. The Pro-Choice position lets women decide what is best for themselves.
Yes and I would think that those type of abortions are relatively rare. The right likes to paint the picture of mass abortions of viable fetuses which isn't the case.
Yeah, I've noticed that. They act as though any woman can go in and have her 6 month old fetus taken out by means of chopping off its limbs and deflating its head. Such elective abortions do not exist. Pro-lifers are liars.
Not 6 months, but 5 months is ok. Lever wonder why they call it 20 weeks and not 5 months? Because more people don't realize they are killing a child more than halfway developed this way.
No. They call it 20 weeks because the gestational period for humans is measured in weeks using proper medical terminology, with 20 weeks being the halfway point in the 40 week gestational period.
After all your strong words, you don't get to say 'no mas' and expect people to leave it at that. As Asterisk has pointed out, you're actually scenario (A) as per my previous description.
So, yes, you are not conflicted because you are not arguing for life.
That's what it looks like to me too. Her issue is with the behaviour of the mother and whether or not she thinks the mother acts in a morally upstanding way. And insisting that the mother who didn't behave properly in her view deserves the punishment of not being allowed to have an abortion if she wants one (how that would impact the baby's quality of life is apparently neither here nor there). Abortions are punitive. How fucked up. The life of the fetus has nothing to do with it in the long run. If it did, then how the mother got pregnant wouldn't matter.
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I am happy to see some here acknowledging my comments.
While I do support the right for freedom, and to not be told how and when to do things, when it comes to this I just can't wrap my head around the logic. I hear so often that it's a "choice" but no one has an answer to this. There is a clear choice in the matter.. If you refrain from sex, you can't get pregnant. Period. That's the "choice" we all have. After you've made your "choice" you either have to live with the repercussions, which most everyone knows is possible; or, come up with a valid excuse to get what you want.. Which is how I feel this has turned. Can anyone explain why more don't argue this?
Would it be fair for someone who couldn't afford an abortion to have a child, bring it home and kill them? Because they didn't want a child? What about the dumpster babies? I see no difference.
Please forgive my harshness. It just can not make sense in my brain. At all.
And in today's world, where a video of a dog getting kicked, or a baby being neglected will spark the biggest outcry you've ever seen, or hell, even the shrine left to the dead raccoon in Toronto..
All of this outcry towards things like this, but when it comes to killing a fetus/infant it's debated to death and mindlessly repeated "we have a choice" like the sound bites successfully planted inside everyone's brains in the late 80s, with no real back up as to why the choice is not sex, but to get rid of the child.
You're right to choose is to choose to have sex or not! Anything beyond that is a cop out.
Rape victim? Victim of incest? You're saying 'tough shit deal with it'?
Sex is a pretty strong instinct we have and it's one of the more enjoyable things human beings can enjoy during their brief time on this planet. In the event of an accidental pregnancy, a young woman shouldn't be sentenced to 'life with child' in the event she's not ready for that stage of life.
Dumpster babies are not the same thing as mucky goo. If a woman brings a child into the earth, she can give the child to adoption agencies before throwing it away while it has senses and can feel pain and discomfort.
I'll be harsh too. We have too many people on this planet as it is. The Christian families with 12 children place an incredible burden on the planet's ability to sustain lives.
And unwanted and unloved children often become problems for everyone later in life as a by-product of their upbringing.
No, rape victims and babies to be born with huge birth defects, those reasons are acceptable, and likely the reason abortion was created in the first place.
I am speaking of anyone who willingly has sex and uses abortion as birth control. That's 99.9% of abortions in the USA by the way.
So it's the women that have sex for pleasure that should be punished? Harlots.
Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.
And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.
You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.
And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.
Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.
Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.
And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.
You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.
And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.
Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.
Sorry, but this is ridiculous. In no way is a bowl of batter a cake. If you ordered a cake and received a bowl of batter you would want your money back. A bowl of batter is cake batter, suggesting that the two are the same thing is even more ridiculous than saying a fetus and a baby are the same thing.
I have already said, i am not coming back to argue how i feel. And then keep doing that. Ive said what i have to say. I wont say anymore, as i feel you are just making excuses for what you believe. I haven't had to make any excuses at all. Its how i feel, and its wrong to take a life. You wouldn't snuff out a dog because it was an inconvenience. You would search for a nice, loving home VS just offing the dog.
Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.
I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.
Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.
One thing I've not understood is that it seems as if most assume that if you're against abortion, it must be for religious reasons. That makes absolutely no sense to me.
I would still be anti-abortion (in basically ALL circumstances, BTW) if I weren't religious. I'm not sure I've heard an anti-abortion sermon ever while attending church.
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous. In no way is a bowl of batter a cake. If you ordered a cake and received a bowl of batter you would want your money back. A bowl of batter is cake batter, suggesting that the two are the same thing is even more ridiculous than saying a fetus and a baby are the same thing.
The funny thing is if it were the Right making a comparison between a person and a cake, the left would be all up-in-arms about how it was insulting to do so.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I have already said, i am not coming back to argue how i feel. And then keep doing that. Ive said what i have to say. I wont say anymore, as i feel you are just making excuses for what you believe. I haven't had to make any excuses at all. Its how i feel, and its wrong to take a life. You wouldn't snuff out a dog because it was an inconvenience. You would search for a nice, loving home VS just offing the dog.
Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.
I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.
Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.
Some people don't have self control. Some people makes mistakes. Some people are raped. Some people use birth control and it fails.
Your opinion is fine. But at least consider all the options. Right wingers tend to use the "Self control" excuse as if just telling someone to use it works. It doesn't.
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I have already said, i am not coming back to argue how i feel. And then keep doing that. Ive said what i have to say. I wont say anymore, as i feel you are just making excuses for what you believe. I haven't had to make any excuses at all. Its how i feel, and its wrong to take a life. You wouldn't snuff out a dog because it was an inconvenience. You would search for a nice, loving home VS just offing the dog.
Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.
I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.
Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.
You're argument has been reduced to comparing an abortion to killing a living, breathing dog. It's becoming weak. Scraping out the sauce that, if given time, will develop into an infant is not murder. Is masturbation murder too? All those living sperm cells designed to fertilize eggs released into a tissue?
When you fry an egg... do you think that egg has any idea it is getting fried? Do you think of that egg as an egg... or do you think of that egg as a chicken?
You speak of one side failing to see the other side... that works both ways. As well, your tone and value set reflect some level of religion... and you speak of brainwashing?
One thing I've not understood is that it seems as if most assume that if you're against abortion, it must be for religious reasons. That makes absolutely no sense to me.
I would still be anti-abortion (in basically ALL circumstances, BTW) if I weren't religious. I'm not sure I've heard an anti-abortion sermon ever while attending church.
It's not a coincidence that it does though end up that way. Course we're told we are special and every birth is a miracle. Add the want for each religion to over produce competing religions and it doesn't have to be preached directly.
Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.
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So in essence no sex unless your okay to have a baby. Oh wait no penetration unless you want a baby.
Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.
And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.
You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.
And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.
Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.
i am sorry. i have taken issue with so many of your posts the last few weeks that i do not have the time, or quite frankly, enough of a shit to reply to it all.
to suggest that women simply should keep themselves from having sex is an idea that is not based in reality. it is a human urge to have sex. to feel intimate with another. to share that with someone is something that all of us not just want to feel, but we have to feel it. kind of like being a kid who was not hugged or was not held enough by his mom. we all have the human urge for human contact. you can apply your standard of denying sex to just one person in this world, yourself.
to contend that cake batter is actually a cake is a joke as well. you have to apply heat to that batter to get anything resembling a cake. without heat, it is just a liquid mixture of ingredients in a bowl. i am starting to believe that right wingers will argue until blue in the face that when someone gives you a glass of tap water, they are giving you ice. it just does not work that way.
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Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.
And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.
You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.
And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.
Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.
Add one more laughing. I can respect how you "feel" but stating some of things you have stated like they are facts is just plain ridiculous. You said you have a problem with women who are irresponsible. What about women who have been raped and got pregnant? Are they "irresponsible" too?? Or any women ever thats had sex but isn't looking to get pregnant? Every one of them is "irresponsible" because they had intercourse??? Even if they used birth control? Come on, you have to see at least a little bit how ridiculous you sound.
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Then others brought my opinion up, and we're debating it, so I was trying to clarify.
I won't keep confirming how I feel. You guys get it. Sorry to be so harsh about how I feel, i still can't wrap my head around how so many can justify it. I don't expect everyone to agree.
After several posts, some graphically, referring to abortion as murder, you state that abortion in the case of rape or huge birth defects is acceptable. Why? Because they are unwanted pregnancies, correct? I think most of us would agree she should have the option to abort.
Now, in the case of a woman facing an unwanted pregnancy not resulting from rape or fetal birth defect, you say “tough shit.” Why? Because [if you] “don't want a baby? Don't choose to have sex.”
Hmmm.
In both cases, there is an unwanted pregnancy. In the first case of rape or birth defect, you show compassion for the woman and agree she should legally have the choice to abort. I would too. However, in the second case, your No-Choice position would not allow her to decide what is best for her situation. You would expect her to “live with the repercussions” and deny her the option to abort because you do not like her choice. I strongly disagree with this position.
That is the crux of the Pro-Choice versus the No-Choice positions. The No-Choice position seeks to control the decisions of women and limit their options. The Pro-Choice position lets women decide what is best for themselves. No. They call it 20 weeks because the gestational period for humans is measured in weeks using proper medical terminology, with 20 weeks being the halfway point in the 40 week gestational period.
After all your strong words, you don't get to say 'no mas' and expect people to leave it at that. As Asterisk has pointed out, you're actually scenario (A) as per my previous description.
So, yes, you are not conflicted because you are not arguing for life.
i am going to bring a bowl of batter and call it a cake.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.
You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.
And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.
Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.
A bowl of batter is cake batter, suggesting that the two are the same thing is even more ridiculous than saying a fetus and a baby are the same thing.
Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.
I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.
Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.
I would still be anti-abortion (in basically ALL circumstances, BTW) if I weren't religious. I'm not sure I've heard an anti-abortion sermon ever while attending church.
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Your opinion is fine. But at least consider all the options. Right wingers tend to use the "Self control" excuse as if just telling someone to use it works. It doesn't.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
When you fry an egg... do you think that egg has any idea it is getting fried? Do you think of that egg as an egg... or do you think of that egg as a chicken?
You speak of one side failing to see the other side... that works both ways. As well, your tone and value set reflect some level of religion... and you speak of brainwashing?
What a sad existence.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
to suggest that women simply should keep themselves from having sex is an idea that is not based in reality. it is a human urge to have sex. to feel intimate with another. to share that with someone is something that all of us not just want to feel, but we have to feel it. kind of like being a kid who was not hugged or was not held enough by his mom. we all have the human urge for human contact. you can apply your standard of denying sex to just one person in this world, yourself.
to contend that cake batter is actually a cake is a joke as well. you have to apply heat to that batter to get anything resembling a cake. without heat, it is just a liquid mixture of ingredients in a bowl. i am starting to believe that right wingers will argue until blue in the face that when someone gives you a glass of tap water, they are giving you ice. it just does not work that way.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."