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brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

i am going to support a bake sale at a pro-life church function.

i am going to bring a bowl of batter and call it a cake.

Best metaphor on the subject yet, LOL!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

gimmesometruth27 said:

i am going to support a bake sale at a pro-life church function.

i am going to bring a bowl of batter and call it a cake.

This is a good post.

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 said:

i am going to support a bake sale at a pro-life church function.

i am going to bring a bowl of batter and call it a cake.

callen

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what dreams said:

Thank God I've come to a point where:
1. Not everything in life has to make sense.
t.

Thanking gods requires point one so really could of skipped it and went directly to 2.

callen

JUST A GIRL said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JUST A GIRL said:

I am happy to see some here acknowledging my comments.

While I do support the right for freedom, and to not be told how and when to do things, when it comes to this I just can't wrap my head around the logic. I hear so often that it's a "choice" but no one has an answer to this. There is a clear choice in the matter.. If you refrain from sex, you can't get pregnant. Period. That's the "choice" we all have. After you've made your "choice" you either have to live with the repercussions, which most everyone knows is possible; or, come up with a valid excuse to get what you want.. Which is how I feel this has turned. Can anyone explain why more don't argue this?

Would it be fair for someone who couldn't afford an abortion to have a child, bring it home and kill them? Because they didn't want a child? What about the dumpster babies? I see no difference.

Please forgive my harshness. It just can not make sense in my brain. At all.

And in today's world, where a video of a dog getting kicked, or a baby being neglected will spark the biggest outcry you've ever seen, or hell, even the shrine left to the dead raccoon in Toronto..

All of this outcry towards things like this, but when it comes to killing a fetus/infant it's debated to death and mindlessly repeated "we have a choice" like the sound bites successfully planted inside everyone's brains in the late 80s, with no real back up as to why the choice is not sex, but to get rid of the child.

You're right to choose is to choose to have sex or not! Anything beyond that is a cop out.

Rape victim? Victim of incest? You're saying 'tough shit deal with it'?

Sex is a pretty strong instinct we have and it's one of the more enjoyable things human beings can enjoy during their brief time on this planet. In the event of an accidental pregnancy, a young woman shouldn't be sentenced to 'life with child' in the event she's not ready for that stage of life.

Dumpster babies are not the same thing as mucky goo. If a woman brings a child into the earth, she can give the child to adoption agencies before throwing it away while it has senses and can feel pain and discomfort.

I'll be harsh too. We have too many people on this planet as it is. The Christian families with 12 children place an incredible burden on the planet's ability to sustain lives.

And unwanted and unloved children often become problems for everyone later in life as a by-product of their upbringing.

No, rape victims and babies to be born with huge birth defects, those reasons are acceptable, and likely the reason abortion was created in the first place.

I am speaking of anyone who willingly has sex and uses abortion as birth control. That's 99.9% of abortions in the USA by the way.

So it's the women that have sex for pleasure that should be punished? Harlots.

JUST A GIRL

Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.

And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.

You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.

And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.

Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.

PJ_Soul

Is anyone starting to feel really hungry for a fetus fresh from the oven right now?....

rgambs

JUST A GIRL said:

Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.

And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.

You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.

And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.

Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. In no way is a bowl of batter a cake. If you ordered a cake and received a bowl of batter you would want your money back.
A bowl of batter is cake batter, suggesting that the two are the same thing is even more ridiculous than saying a fetus and a baby are the same thing.

JUST A GIRL

I have already said, i am not coming back to argue how i feel. And then keep doing that. Ive said what i have to say. I wont say anymore, as i feel you are just making excuses for what you believe. I haven't had to make any excuses at all. Its how i feel, and its wrong to take a life. You wouldn't snuff out a dog because it was an inconvenience. You would search for a nice, loving home VS just offing the dog.

Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.

I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.

Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.

know1

One thing I've not understood is that it seems as if most assume that if you're against abortion, it must be for religious reasons. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

I would still be anti-abortion (in basically ALL circumstances, BTW) if I weren't religious. I'm not sure I've heard an anti-abortion sermon ever while attending church.

know1

rgambs said:

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. In no way is a bowl of batter a cake. If you ordered a cake and received a bowl of batter you would want your money back.
A bowl of batter is cake batter, suggesting that the two are the same thing is even more ridiculous than saying a fetus and a baby are the same thing.

The funny thing is if it were the Right making a comparison between a person and a cake, the left would be all up-in-arms about how it was insulting to do so.

Gern Blansten

JUST A GIRL said:

I have already said, i am not coming back to argue how i feel. And then keep doing that. Ive said what i have to say. I wont say anymore, as i feel you are just making excuses for what you believe. I haven't had to make any excuses at all. Its how i feel, and its wrong to take a life. You wouldn't snuff out a dog because it was an inconvenience. You would search for a nice, loving home VS just offing the dog.

Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.

I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.

Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.

Some people don't have self control. Some people makes mistakes. Some people are raped. Some people use birth control and it fails.

Your opinion is fine. But at least consider all the options. Right wingers tend to use the "Self control" excuse as if just telling someone to use it works. It doesn't.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JUST A GIRL said:

I have already said, i am not coming back to argue how i feel. And then keep doing that. Ive said what i have to say. I wont say anymore, as i feel you are just making excuses for what you believe. I haven't had to make any excuses at all. Its how i feel, and its wrong to take a life. You wouldn't snuff out a dog because it was an inconvenience. You would search for a nice, loving home VS just offing the dog.

Same thing with a person. Everything else is just spin and brain washing. Ever wonder why this was such a hot topic? Because the people who feel strongly against it cant see the other side. In no way is murder an acceptable form of birth control. HAVE SOME SELF FUCKING CONTROL. Simple as that.

I don't want a kid and don't have sex. Pretty simple birth control method.

Last thing i post in this thread! I wont let you guys rile me up anymore.

You're argument has been reduced to comparing an abortion to killing a living, breathing dog. It's becoming weak. Scraping out the sauce that, if given time, will develop into an infant is not murder. Is masturbation murder too? All those living sperm cells designed to fertilize eggs released into a tissue?

When you fry an egg... do you think that egg has any idea it is getting fried? Do you think of that egg as an egg... or do you think of that egg as a chicken?

You speak of one side failing to see the other side... that works both ways. As well, your tone and value set reflect some level of religion... and you speak of brainwashing?

callen

know1 said:

One thing I've not understood is that it seems as if most assume that if you're against abortion, it must be for religious reasons. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

I would still be anti-abortion (in basically ALL circumstances, BTW) if I weren't religious. I'm not sure I've heard an anti-abortion sermon ever while attending church.

It's not a coincidence that it does though end up that way. Course we're told we are special and every birth is a miracle. Add the want for each religion to over produce competing religions and it doesn't have to be preached directly.

callen

JUST A GIRL said:

Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.

t.

So in essence no sex unless your okay to have a baby. Oh wait no penetration unless you want a baby.

What a sad existence.

Bentleyspop

I can't believe that no one commented on her being "pan sexual"

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bentleyspop said:

I can't believe that no one commented on her being "pan sexual"

I thought typo.

gimmesometruth27

sounds like some of us need to get laid.

gimmesometruth27

JUST A GIRL said:

Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.

And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.

You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.

And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.

Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.

i am sorry. i have taken issue with so many of your posts the last few weeks that i do not have the time, or quite frankly, enough of a shit to reply to it all.

to suggest that women simply should keep themselves from having sex is an idea that is not based in reality. it is a human urge to have sex. to feel intimate with another. to share that with someone is something that all of us not just want to feel, but we have to feel it. kind of like being a kid who was not hugged or was not held enough by his mom. we all have the human urge for human contact. you can apply your standard of denying sex to just one person in this world, yourself.

to contend that cake batter is actually a cake is a joke as well. you have to apply heat to that batter to get anything resembling a cake. without heat, it is just a liquid mixture of ingredients in a bowl. i am starting to believe that right wingers will argue until blue in the face that when someone gives you a glass of tap water, they are giving you ice. it just does not work that way.

Abe Froman

JUST A GIRL said:

Yes. The only problem i have is exactly that. Women who are irresponsible, have sex with whom ever, become pregnant and then murder the kid because of their irresponsibly. Thats the issue i have.

And i hate to tell you, but once the cake batter package is opened, and poured into the bowl, the cake exists. Choosing to bake and eat it, or throw it in the trash, is still a decision you make AFTER THE FACT of the batter being added to the bowl.

You wouldn't have to make the decision about the cake at all if it was never poured in the bowl.

And, im sorry, i can have 8-10 posts of people laughing at my comments, but its true. You're just making excuses to validate the murder of a child. If there is a valid reason, that's one thing, its another thing totally to not be responsible and then choose murder as an option to fix the fuck up you made.

Again, if you're so against having a child to the point of murdering it, then don't have sex at all, or, do other things to get off and not have sex. I don't want a kid, so i don't have sex. Period. Lots of ways to have fun without intercourse. Being pan sexual definitely helps in that department.

Add one more laughing. I can respect how you "feel" but stating some of things you have stated like they are facts is just plain ridiculous. You said you have a problem with women who are irresponsible. What about women who have been raped and got pregnant? Are they "irresponsible" too?? Or any women ever thats had sex but isn't looking to get pregnant? Every one of them is "irresponsible" because they had intercourse??? Even if they used birth control? Come on, you have to see at least a little bit how ridiculous you sound.