9 Dead in Charleston, South Carolina Church Shooting and Hate Crime
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about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
Godfather.
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I mostly agree with the bolded part above in what you are saying, GF, though I still think that flag is a symbol of hate and slavery and should at least be removed from government buildings and I fully support that idea one way or another. What would be best of all would be if southerns in general recognized this and they themselves vote to have the Confederate flag removed from gov and public places. And this is not such a far fetched idea- many white in the south have changed their views and I would think the majority of black voters would vote to have it removed. If the south voted for banning the Confederate flag in those places there would be no "us taking away from them" issue and that action would help move this country at least a little further from racism.Godfather. said:ummm interesting, it seems that there is something that offends just about everybody in this nations short history, in my opinion things like this are just what keeps racism alive, taking something away from one because it offends another and the media constantly reminding everybody that slavery had existed at one time, rubbing racism in the face of America will not end racism and removing a flag that is part of the souths history will not remove racism either.
the history of slavery is taught to every kid going to history class but only the limited facts and then the media fans the fire from there, too many Americans are so caught up in racism that they are sure there is only one kind of racism...white on black, racism is bigger and uglier than just America but people don't talk about that...instead they call it terrorism.
just my rant, I don't like racism either but I don't think it's just here or talked about or as many restrictions put in place as compared to the rest of the world.
Godfather.
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Jimmy, much of the south flies this flag.JimmyV said:Nine innocent people shouldn't have had to die for politicians to realize the flag should come down. And taking the flag down won't bring those people back or change the attitudes that led to their murder. If anything I can see it causing racists to dig their heels in even further. But it is a place to start and it will do South Carolina good in the long run to distance itself from that flag.
Can't count how many rebel flags are teamed up with pissing on Obama stickers on back of trucks in Texas. And the older the truck the greater the chance.
There is one old truck in Tx that has a stickman though. Swimming against the current.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
This isn't the government taking anything from anyone. This isn't the Confederate flag being banned from people, it is just about removing it from display BY the government.Godfather. said:
about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
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so what we have here is a State that was the first to attempt to secede and others followed suit. This group of states SURRENDERED to end the war. The flag in question is a battle flag of a LOSING army the Army of Northern Virginia. For these states and other people today to state the war and this flag that its about heritage and not racism or slavery is a baldfaced lie.Godfather. said:
about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
Godfather.
Here is a link the S Carolina Declaration of Secession
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/southcarolina_declaration.asp
and pulled from this declaration
The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows:
"No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.
The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."
These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.
We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.
This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.
On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.
The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy."
Further, its current adoption was only enacted in response to school integration in the 1950's as a Fuck You federal goverment.
THIS is why it must be shown only in the context of the war, and not freely flown by a government entity
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I have to say , the folks from Charleston that have spoken out in mourning these fine people that i have seen on Tv and in Print , have done so with a class and a grace the rest of the country ,in particular our so called leaders , could stand to learn from._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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It makes me proud to be affiliated with this community during these times. I'm almost 100% positive that there will be something done that makes me embarrassed to live here by next week.mickeyrat said:I have to say , the folks from Charleston that have spoken out in mourning these fine people that i have seen on Tv and in Print , have done so with a class and a grace the rest of the country ,in particular our so called leaders , could stand to learn from.
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I surely hope not. The media will jump on whatever makes the most noise. At least here we can acknowledge and thank the good people, like you Last -12, that Mickey mentioned above who have done the right thing in Charleston.Last-12-Exit said:
It makes me proud to be affiliated with this community during these times. I'm almost 100% positive that there will be something done that makes me embarrassed to live here by next week.mickeyrat said:I have to say , the folks from Charleston that have spoken out in mourning these fine people that i have seen on Tv and in Print , have done so with a class and a grace the rest of the country ,in particular our so called leaders , could stand to learn from.
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wow ! the best post yet on this topic, I've always been a supporter of this countries history and the wars that brought about freedom so I really can't argue a ban on this flag from state buildings and documents...wow what a powerful piece of evidance( http://www.civil-war.net/pages/southcarolina_declaration.asp) that was a bullseye Mickey.
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I'm not sure if it's been pointed out already but GF the government is NOT trying to take away its citizens right to display this confederate flag. GF if you or anyone else wants to tattoo this flag to your forehead or have it emblazoned in gold on the grill of your teeth go right ahead. I believe no one wants to stop you or anyone from doing so. I have coworkers that have the flag all over their truck but let them try and wear a shirt with the flag to work, I'll send them home or have them cover it up. Some customer may just take offense to it even down here in South Florida.rgambs said:
This isn't the government taking anything from anyone. This isn't the Confederate flag being banned from people, it is just about removing it from display BY the government.Godfather. said:
about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
Godfather.
I'm sure GF if you chose to where a shirt with the confederate flag on the front or back to work that might not be a great idea for one to do so. Unless you own the business you probably would not be allowed to work that day.
Some here have compared it to a swatiska flag, I'll throw in another comparison the flag below....
That flag in many different variations was a symbol of the Black Panther Party. They were from the 60's-70's and are still an organization today. They were part of the civil rights movement but we're not for the most part marching peacefully. They believed in getting those rights through militant force..."by all means necessary". To some black folks this flag or variation of was a source of pride and strength in the fight for civil rights. I'm a voice for civil rights but I would never want to see that flag flying over my state capital or any other public building. Stick it like the confederate flag on your truck, jacket, museum or underwear if you wish, just keep it from public places where someone or anyone who could be offended.
Peace
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Interesting post here, G. I grew up in the bay area and was in high school and early years of college during the height of the Black Panther movement, spent a lot of time in Oakland and S.F. during that time and saw plenty of Panthers, saw Black and Brown stamp poster in black neighborhoods but I don't recall ever seeing that flag (but maybe just due to faulty memory?). The Panthers were way more into action than they were symbols. Not very "symbol minded" you might say. I also got a sense that their militancy was more geared toward protecting their own as opposed to being needlessly aggressive towards other innocent people. I lived in a high rise building that was 80% black during those years and never once was harassed or harmed. Not sure a black person in the south would have fared so well in a mostly white building in those years.g under p said:
I'm not sure if it's been pointed out already but GF the government is NOT trying to take away its citizens right to display this confederate flag. GF if you or anyone else wants to tattoo this flag to your forehead or have it emblazoned in gold on the grill of your teeth go right ahead. I believe no one wants to stop you or anyone from doing so. I have coworkers that have the flag all over their truck but let them try and wear a shirt with the flag to work, I'll send them home or have them cover it up. Some customer may just take offense to it even down here in South Florida.rgambs said:
This isn't the government taking anything from anyone. This isn't the Confederate flag being banned from people, it is just about removing it from display BY the government.Godfather. said:
about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
Godfather.
I'm sure GF if you chose to where a shirt with the confederate flag on the front or back to work that might not be a great idea for one to do so. Unless you own the business you probably would not be allowed to work that day.
Some here have compared it to a swatiska flag, I'll throw in another comparison the flag below....
That flag in many different variations was a symbol of the Black Panther Party. They were from the 60's-70's and are still an organization today. They were part of the civil rights movement but we're not for the most part marching peacefully. They believed in getting those rights through militant force..."by all means necessary". To some black folks this flag or variation of was a source of pride and strength in the fight for civil rights. I'm a voice for civil rights but I would never want to see that flag flying over my state capital or any other public building. Stick it like the confederate flag on your truck, jacket, museum or underwear if you wish, just keep it from public places where someone or anyone who could be offended.
Peace
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Brian I don't know much about what went on in the west coast. However where I grew up on the east coast in Boston, these colors were used in various versions. Some with a panther on it some without. The flag colors were originated with Jamaican Marcus Gravey who in his time wanted black people to leave this country and go back to Africa. In part because at the time 1920 civil rights movement was going nowhere.brianlux said:
Interesting post here, G. I grew up in the bay area and was in high school and early years of college during the height of the Black Panther movement, spent a lot of time in Oakland and S.F. during that time and saw plenty of Panthers, saw Black and Brown stamp poster in black neighborhoods but I don't recall ever seeing that flag (but maybe just due to faulty memory?). The Panthers were way more into action than they were symbols. Not very "symbol minded" you might say. I also got a sense that their militancy was more geared toward protecting their own as opposed to being needlessly aggressive towards other innocent people. I lived in a high rise building that was 80% black during those years and never once was harassed or harmed. Not sure a black person in the south would have fared so well in a mostly white building in those years.g under p said:
I'm not sure if it's been pointed out already but GF the government is NOT trying to take away its citizens right to display this confederate flag. GF if you or anyone else wants to tattoo this flag to your forehead or have it emblazoned in gold on the grill of your teeth go right ahead. I believe no one wants to stop you or anyone from doing so. I have coworkers that have the flag all over their truck but let them try and wear a shirt with the flag to work, I'll send them home or have them cover it up. Some customer may just take offense to it even down here in South Florida.rgambs said:
This isn't the government taking anything from anyone. This isn't the Confederate flag being banned from people, it is just about removing it from display BY the government.Godfather. said:
about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
Godfather.
I'm sure GF if you chose to where a shirt with the confederate flag on the front or back to work that might not be a great idea for one to do so. Unless you own the business you probably would not be allowed to work that day.
Some here have compared it to a swatiska flag, I'll throw in another comparison the flag below....
That flag in many different variations was a symbol of the Black Panther Party. They were from the 60's-70's and are still an organization today. They were part of the civil rights movement but we're not for the most part marching peacefully. They believed in getting those rights through militant force..."by all means necessary". To some black folks this flag or variation of was a source of pride and strength in the fight for civil rights. I'm a voice for civil rights but I would never want to see that flag flying over my state capital or any other public building. Stick it like the confederate flag on your truck, jacket, museum or underwear if you wish, just keep it from public places where someone or anyone who could be offended.
Peace
Like said earlier they were many variations of that flag....here at former BPP leader Huey Newton's funeral in 1989 Oakland, CA this version was carried.....a star was added.
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Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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yes sir I get that (not taking the flag away) but I don't think I'll be getting a grill or any new tatoos and I really don't know about any peace loving black panthers now that you mention it but diidn't some bp member just talk about killing all white men and the white babies as well ?brianlux said:
Interesting post here, G. I grew up in the bay area and was in high school and early years of college during the height of the Black Panther movement, spent a lot of time in Oakland and S.F. during that time and saw plenty of Panthers, saw Black and Brown stamp poster in black neighborhoods but I don't recall ever seeing that flag (but maybe just due to faulty memory?). The Panthers were way more into action than they were symbols. Not very "symbol minded" you might say. I also got a sense that their militancy was more geared toward protecting their own as opposed to being needlessly aggressive towards other innocent people. I lived in a high rise building that was 80% black during those years and never once was harassed or harmed. Not sure a black person in the south would have fared so well in a mostly white building in those years.g under p said:
I'm not sure if it's been pointed out already but GF the government is NOT trying to take away its citizens right to display this confederate flag. GF if you or anyone else wants to tattoo this flag to your forehead or have it emblazoned in gold on the grill of your teeth go right ahead. I believe no one wants to stop you or anyone from doing so. I have coworkers that have the flag all over their truck but let them try and wear a shirt with the flag to work, I'll send them home or have them cover it up. Some customer may just take offense to it even down here in South Florida.rgambs said:
This isn't the government taking anything from anyone. This isn't the Confederate flag being banned from people, it is just about removing it from display BY the government.Godfather. said:
about as far south i have ever(lived) been is so.cal and I don't have any stake in this civil war flag and I understand the comparisson with the nazi flag but that flag was adopeted by hitler with racist intent right from the begining (geeze that guy was evil)Last-12-Exit said:It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
but if the flag stays or goes it wont change my life, I'm just blown away by the idea that someone can take something from someone else with little more than they find it offensive..is that what our government is used for ? just a tool to take without merrit ? so ya see it aint so much the flag to me it's the idea that a government can do this dispite other peoples vales and beliefs..American people ! what else will be taken away ?
Godfather.
I'm sure GF if you chose to where a shirt with the confederate flag on the front or back to work that might not be a great idea for one to do so. Unless you own the business you probably would not be allowed to work that day.
Some here have compared it to a swatiska flag, I'll throw in another comparison the flag below....
That flag in many different variations was a symbol of the Black Panther Party. They were from the 60's-70's and are still an organization today. They were part of the civil rights movement but we're not for the most part marching peacefully. They believed in getting those rights through militant force..."by all means necessary". To some black folks this flag or variation of was a source of pride and strength in the fight for civil rights. I'm a voice for civil rights but I would never want to see that flag flying over my state capital or any other public building. Stick it like the confederate flag on your truck, jacket, museum or underwear if you wish, just keep it from public places where someone or anyone who could be offended.
Peace
has it really got to the point that if someone wears a confed.flag t-shirt to work you would send them home ? would you send them home if they wear a plack panther shirt as well ?
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You damn right I would a black person, white, green or orange home if they wore a shirt with any symbolism of the Black Panthers. Now keep in mind any variation of the BPs is not as easily recognizable as any confederate dress wear. In my work environment business as long there's a chance that confederate flag worn by my employee it could offend a customer it has to be changed. Which is similar to the confederate flag being removed from government buildings to a place where it can be seen (museum) if one chooses to go there and see it.
Many people don't know much about the BPs especially here in South Florida but I do so therefore they would have change the dress wear or go home.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
the local government in those areas have asked some local business owners to remove thier confederate flages from thier business but one story I've read stated that the owner refuses to give in to this whole thing and will not remove it from his flag pole, it seems this deal with the confederate flag is causing more unrest than good, it's getting more media coverage than the killing that sparked this flag hoopla...so there ya have it white on black killing and now the government wants to remove confederate flags, it's just an excuse to stir the pot and the only people winning are the media mogles not to mention all the hate it is creating..I mean already it's been compared to the Nazi flag ! really ? I don't believe the two flags are as closely tied together as some clame, but we have to feed the media machine right ?g under p said:You damn right I would a black person, white, green or orange home if they wore a shirt with any symbolism of the Black Panthers. Now keep in mind any variation of the BPs is not as easily recognizable as any confederate dress wear. In my work environment business as long there's a chance that confederate flag worn by my employee it could offend a customer it has to be changed. Which is similar to the confederate flag being removed from government buildings to a place where it can be seen (museum) if one chooses to go there and see it.
Many people don't know much about the BPs especially here in South Florida but I do so therefore they would have change the dress wear or go home.
Peace
Godfather.
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Both flags were symbols of regimes which made racism, and specifically the dogma of white supremacy, a cornerstone of their philosophies.Godfather. said:
the local government in those areas have asked some local business owners to remove thier confederate flages from thier business but one story I've read stated that the owner refuses to give in to this whole thing and will not remove it from his flag pole, it seems this deal with the confederate flag is causing more unrest than good, it's getting more media coverage than the killing that sparked this flag hoopla...so there ya have it white on black killing and now the government wants to remove confederate flags, it's just an excuse to stir the pot and the only people winning are the media mogles not to mention all the hate it is creating..I mean already it's been compared to the Nazi flag ! really ? I don't believe the two flags are as closely tied together as some clame, but we have to feed the media machine right ?g under p said:You damn right I would a black person, white, green or orange home if they wore a shirt with any symbolism of the Black Panthers. Now keep in mind any variation of the BPs is not as easily recognizable as any confederate dress wear. In my work environment business as long there's a chance that confederate flag worn by my employee it could offend a customer it has to be changed. Which is similar to the confederate flag being removed from government buildings to a place where it can be seen (museum) if one chooses to go there and see it.
Many people don't know much about the BPs especially here in South Florida but I do so therefore they would have change the dress wear or go home.
Peace
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one was created as such the other was not, by the way has anybody ever thought about one of things in common most mass killings have ? I just read this, most of the people doing these killings have had or were using a drug for psyc or some kind of mental disorder..just a thought.oftenreading said:
Both flags were symbols of regimes which made racism, and specifically the dogma of white supremacy, a cornerstone of their philosophies.Godfather. said:
the local government in those areas have asked some local business owners to remove thier confederate flages from thier business but one story I've read stated that the owner refuses to give in to this whole thing and will not remove it from his flag pole, it seems this deal with the confederate flag is causing more unrest than good, it's getting more media coverage than the killing that sparked this flag hoopla...so there ya have it white on black killing and now the government wants to remove confederate flags, it's just an excuse to stir the pot and the only people winning are the media mogles not to mention all the hate it is creating..I mean already it's been compared to the Nazi flag ! really ? I don't believe the two flags are as closely tied together as some clame, but we have to feed the media machine right ?g under p said:You damn right I would a black person, white, green or orange home if they wore a shirt with any symbolism of the Black Panthers. Now keep in mind any variation of the BPs is not as easily recognizable as any confederate dress wear. In my work environment business as long there's a chance that confederate flag worn by my employee it could offend a customer it has to be changed. Which is similar to the confederate flag being removed from government buildings to a place where it can be seen (museum) if one chooses to go there and see it.
Many people don't know much about the BPs especially here in South Florida but I do so therefore they would have change the dress wear or go home.
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How do you figure? The Nazi flag wasn't created to convey Arian supremacy, it was created as the flag of a nation Which believed fiercely in racism.Godfather. said:
one was created as such the other was not, by the way has anybody ever thought about one of things in common most mass killings have ? I just read this, most of the people doing these killings have had or were using a drug for psyc or some kind of mental disorder..just a thought.oftenreading said:
Both flags were symbols of regimes which made racism, and specifically the dogma of white supremacy, a cornerstone of their philosophies.Godfather. said:
the local government in those areas have asked some local business owners to remove thier confederate flages from thier business but one story I've read stated that the owner refuses to give in to this whole thing and will not remove it from his flag pole, it seems this deal with the confederate flag is causing more unrest than good, it's getting more media coverage than the killing that sparked this flag hoopla...so there ya have it white on black killing and now the government wants to remove confederate flags, it's just an excuse to stir the pot and the only people winning are the media mogles not to mention all the hate it is creating..I mean already it's been compared to the Nazi flag ! really ? I don't believe the two flags are as closely tied together as some clame, but we have to feed the media machine right ?g under p said:You damn right I would a black person, white, green or orange home if they wore a shirt with any symbolism of the Black Panthers. Now keep in mind any variation of the BPs is not as easily recognizable as any confederate dress wear. In my work environment business as long there's a chance that confederate flag worn by my employee it could offend a customer it has to be changed. Which is similar to the confederate flag being removed from government buildings to a place where it can be seen (museum) if one chooses to go there and see it.
Many people don't know much about the BPs especially here in South Florida but I do so therefore they would have change the dress wear or go home.
Peace
Godfather.
Godfather.
Same exact scenario for the Confederate flags.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Well, you said that business owner does NOT want to remove the flag from HIS flag pole. Well he has every right to do so that's the beauty of living in these United States. However, if customers start to not purchase into his business he may start to rethink have the flag fly over his business. Then again his customers may all feel comfortable with the flag there so be it.Godfather. said:
the local government in those areas have asked some local business owners to remove thier confederate flages from thier business but one story I've read stated that the owner refuses to give in to this whole thing and will not remove it from his flag pole, it seems this deal with the confederate flag is causing more unrest than good, it's getting more media coverage than the killing that sparked this flag hoopla...so there ya have it white on black killing and now the government wants to remove confederate flags, it's just an excuse to stir the pot and the only people winning are the media mogles not to mention all the hate it is creating..I mean already it's been compared to the Nazi flag ! really ? I don't believe the two flags are as closely tied together as some clame, but we have to feed the media machine right ?g under p said:You damn right I would a black person, white, green or orange home if they wore a shirt with any symbolism of the Black Panthers. Now keep in mind any variation of the BPs is not as easily recognizable as any confederate dress wear. In my work environment business as long there's a chance that confederate flag worn by my employee it could offend a customer it has to be changed. Which is similar to the confederate flag being removed from government buildings to a place where it can be seen (museum) if one chooses to go there and see it.
Many people don't know much about the BPs especially here in South Florida but I do so therefore they would have change the dress wear or go home.
Peace
Godfather.
As for the media's take...the Nazi and Confederate flags whether you like it or not in their own way ARE BOTH symbols of racism and hate. The media is going to do what it does which is if people are listening, talking or watching this story....the media will be happy being fed.
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Find it comforting to know that big business feels there aren't enough people that will boycott them to affect their decision to stop selling confederate merchandise and telling those that there is indeed a problem being racist. This is a big deal in our country. Hope little shit church shooting suspect gets news of backlash.
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