9 Dead in Charleston, South Carolina Church Shooting and Hate Crime

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cutz Posts: 12,367
edited June 2015 in A Moving Train
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-respond-shooting-charleston-south-carolina-church/story?id=31845305
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    Would have responded here first if I'd noticed it was first reported here about 2 minute before Thirties thread.

    A terrible incident. Unbelievably horrible.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,072
    so fucked up.

    i did not read the other thread yet because it is already 4 pages...yeah, i am lazy these days.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Lol. It's not a bad read.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,587
    No shit Gimme. They already caught the guy before you make an appearance.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,072
    mickeyrat said:

    No shit Gimme. They already caught the guy before you make an appearance.

    i must be slippin' ;)

    what does it mean that i somehow feel drawn to this board when terrible things like this happen? i am in the middle of packing up my shit and moving and i took the time to read what people have been saying. now i am sucked back in, haha.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    No shit Gimme. They already caught the guy before you make an appearance.

    i must be slippin' ;)

    what does it mean that i somehow feel drawn to this board when terrible things like this happen? i am in the middle of packing up my shit and moving and i took the time to read what people have been saying. now i am sucked back in, haha.
    Go to my local news forum that's littered with defective comments about this event so come here for some sanity. Good thing.

    Course I did have thirty getting in my shit.

    I kid TB.
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  • The North
    The North Posts: 95
    came across this petition the other day and signed it myself (along with my wife). I think it's time that this flag is put in it's proper place in history...... not raised above government buildings in public spaces.

    I can only imagine the feelings this thing must stir up in some people.

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-the-confederate-3.?mailing_id=29839&source=s.em.cr&r_by=13366957
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    The North said:

    came across this petition the other day and signed it myself (along with my wife). I think it's time that this flag is put in it's proper place in history...... not raised above government buildings in public spaces.

    I can only imagine the feelings this thing must stir up in some people.

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-the-confederate-3.?mailing_id=29839&source=s.em.cr&r_by=13366957

    Thank you, the North! Totally agree and signed.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,252
    brianlux said:

    The North said:

    came across this petition the other day and signed it myself (along with my wife). I think it's time that this flag is put in it's proper place in history...... not raised above government buildings in public spaces.

    I can only imagine the feelings this thing must stir up in some people.

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-the-confederate-3.?mailing_id=29839&source=s.em.cr&r_by=13366957

    Thank you, the North! Totally agree and signed.

    Only 11,000 more signatures to reach the goal of 525,000. I'm aready on there, many more should take a look.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,587
    My sense is , if those in power and in general cant or dont come to t his willingly then it changes very very little.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    remove thier flag ? totally disagree. that flag was used as a war flag not a ownership of slaves flag.
    can someone explain why this flag has to be removed.

    Godfather.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    Godfather. said:

    remove thier flag ? totally disagree. that flag was used as a war flag not a ownership of slaves flag.
    can someone explain why this flag has to be removed.

    Godfather.

    We want it removed from government building, GF, not banned altogether. Although I don't see why anyone in their right mind would want to fly it at this point, it would still be their constitutional right to do so.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Supposedly Lindsey graham to call for removal.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,714
    Godfather. said:

    remove thier flag ? totally disagree. that flag was used as a war flag not a ownership of slaves flag.
    can someone explain why this flag has to be removed.

    Godfather.

    Yes a war glag
    But a war flag of treason
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    edited June 2015
    Bentleyspop said:

    Godfather. said:

    remove thier flag ? totally disagree. that flag was used as a war flag not a ownership of slaves flag.
    can someone explain why this flag has to be removed.

    Godfather.

    Yes a war glag
    But a war flag of treason
    For sure!

    And though some have argued that the Civil War was about the South fighting against the North who wanted to capitalized on Southern economy, that economy was built on and would not have existed without slavery. Historians will tell us the North was not without fault in that war but the greatest, most egregious sin was the enslavement of innocent human beings and the Confederate flag symbolizes that travesty and it's time for it to be taken down- at the very least taken down from government and public buildings.


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    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    The removal is a big blow to the racists and the act of doing it after Church shooting is huge in my opinion.

    The confederate flag is historical and is part of our history. But it also represents some of the ugliness of our society.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ummm interesting, it seems that there is something that offends just about everybody in this nations short history, in my opinion things like this are just what keeps racism alive, taking something away from one because it offends another and the media constantly reminding everybody that slavery had existed at one time, rubbing racism in the face of America will not end racism and removing a flag that is part of the souths history will not remove racism either.
    the history of slavery is taught to every kid going to history class but only the limited facts and then the media fans the fire from there, too many Americans are so caught up in racism that they are sure there is only one kind of racism...white on black, racism is bigger and uglier than just America but people don't talk about that...instead they call it terrorism.
    just my rant, I don't like racism either but I don't think it's just here or talked about or as many restrictions put in place as compared to the rest of the world.

    Godfather.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    It's a symbol of hate godfather. The easy comparison is the Nazi flag. There's never been a time in the history of the world that a losing army has been allowed to fly their flag.
  • The North
    The North Posts: 95
    Godfather. said:

    remove thier flag ? totally disagree. that flag was used as a war flag not a ownership of slaves flag.
    can someone explain why this flag has to be removed.

    Godfather.

    ......because things change

    take a look at the history of the swastika. The swastika was traditionally a symbol of prosperity in the hindu culture, but was completely bastardized by Hitler and co.

    Do you think it's appropriate to fly a swastika flag?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,615
    Nine innocent people shouldn't have had to die for politicians to realize the flag should come down. And taking the flag down won't bring those people back or change the attitudes that led to their murder. If anything I can see it causing racists to dig their heels in even further. But it is a place to start and it will do South Carolina good in the long run to distance itself from that flag.
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