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JimmyV · May 2015

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

MayDay10 said:
I also love the fact that Tom Brady is too busy to meet the president and to read this report that claims to incriminate him and tarnish his legacy... but he can wine and dine at the Kentucky Derby.
this whole thing is fucking ridiculous. deflating footballs? who cares? there were studies done during the nonsense leading up to the super bowl that it actually does more harm than good due to a decrease in velocity. aaron rogers overinflates his. the vikings were were caught keeping their balls too close to heaters last year. ooooooh! if the nfl really thought this was a big issue, they wouldn't allow teams to handle their own balls in the first place. plus if they were tipped off before the championship game and did nothing...then.....what the fuck? why let it happen? haha. whole thing is nonsense.

you just get the impression that this has always been one of those wink and nod rules for decades. always been a non issue until now. it was a convenient story to keep the nfl in the news in the first week leading up the super bowl and now the report conveniently comes out during the only other dead nfl time of the year.

they'll lose a draft pick and pay a fine (like the falcons had to as a result of their investigation, which nobody cares about--and what they did had a much bigger effect on games imo) and the nfl will change their ball handling policy, thus infuriating quarterbacks all over the league.

fucking. stupid.
while I agree that actual deflated footballs isn't a big issue but you can't tell me that the marquee team in the league having a complete and utter lack of integrity isn't a big issue. those fuckers constantly bend and break the rules and don't give two fucks about it. they are cheating scumbags and fucking bald face liers. kraft, bellicheck and brady need to be suspended. enough of their bullshit.

As I pointed out earlier, if you want Brady suspended for this, fine. But the same report that everyone is pointing to as evidence also exonerates Belichick and Kraft. Calling for their suspension is just bald-faced hatred, nothing more.

MayDay10 · May 2015

Institutional Control. Its why Sean Payton was suspended. Last time the Patriots were caught cheating the entire organization took penalties too.

JimmyV · May 2015

MayDay10 said:
Institutional Control. Its why Sean Payton was suspended. Last time the Patriots were caught cheating the entire organization took penalties too.

And Sean Payton's suspension was a travesty. Not sure that is something anyone should want to see repeated.

Poncier · May 2015

MayDay10 said:
Institutional Control. Its why Sean Payton was suspended. Last time the Patriots were caught cheating the entire organization took penalties too.

The team will get some penalty, likely a hefty fine as Shemp and Curley Joe DeRita were in their employ, but Belichick is not getting suspended.

MayDay10 · May 2015

no, I doubt it.

My guess is Brady 2 games, fine for the team, and loss of maybe a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

Most of it for the aftermath and the way they went about it. The NFL does not like losing control over situations like this.

Poncier · May 2015

I doubt they lose a draft pick that high. If they lose a pick (and that's a big if) it'll be 5th round or lower.

The NFL doesn't like losing control, but as per usual they bungled the whole thing.

JimmyV · May 2015

The NFL lost control of this situation the second Bob Kravitz got the “Call me now..Very important!!!!” text message from his "anonymous source". And if not then, absolutely the next day when someone in the league office leaked erroneous information to Chris Mortensen that 11 of 12 Patriots balls were 2psi below 12.5. Everything after that report was chaos.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

I don't think Brady will be suspended. The main evidence is from a couple of guys that don't like brady. The best thing the NFL can do here is simply take control of the balls away from the teams. Controversy over. The people that hate the patriots are still going to hate them. Even if you suspended brady/belichick/kraft for an entire season. So I don't think it matters.

But the way Belichick embarrassed the league over 4 cameras added on the goal lines a couple months ago may come into play here. Goodell just may be scheming a way to fuck the Pats.

pjhawks · May 2015

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

MayDay10 said:
I also love the fact that Tom Brady is too busy to meet the president and to read this report that claims to incriminate him and tarnish his legacy... but he can wine and dine at the Kentucky Derby.
this whole thing is fucking ridiculous. deflating footballs? who cares? there were studies done during the nonsense leading up to the super bowl that it actually does more harm than good due to a decrease in velocity. aaron rogers overinflates his. the vikings were were caught keeping their balls too close to heaters last year. ooooooh! if the nfl really thought this was a big issue, they wouldn't allow teams to handle their own balls in the first place. plus if they were tipped off before the championship game and did nothing...then.....what the fuck? why let it happen? haha. whole thing is nonsense.

you just get the impression that this has always been one of those wink and nod rules for decades. always been a non issue until now. it was a convenient story to keep the nfl in the news in the first week leading up the super bowl and now the report conveniently comes out during the only other dead nfl time of the year.

they'll lose a draft pick and pay a fine (like the falcons had to as a result of their investigation, which nobody cares about--and what they did had a much bigger effect on games imo) and the nfl will change their ball handling policy, thus infuriating quarterbacks all over the league.

fucking. stupid.
while I agree that actual deflated footballs isn't a big issue but you can't tell me that the marquee team in the league having a complete and utter lack of integrity isn't a big issue. those fuckers constantly bend and break the rules and don't give two fucks about it. they are cheating scumbags and fucking bald face liers. kraft, bellicheck and brady need to be suspended. enough of their bullshit.
As I pointed out earlier, if you want Brady suspended for this, fine. But the same report that everyone is pointing to as evidence also exonerates Belichick and Kraft. Calling for their suspension is just bald-faced hatred, nothing more.

Kraft showed a lack of respect for the league with his initial comments about the situation and then further disrespected the league with his comments the other day by basically saying the report is wrong. and bellichick defies the league on a weekly basis and shows a lack of respect for the authority of the league. lack of institutional control over the franchise that those 2 head. suspend them.

JimmyV · May 2015

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

MayDay10 said:
I also love the fact that Tom Brady is too busy to meet the president and to read this report that claims to incriminate him and tarnish his legacy... but he can wine and dine at the Kentucky Derby.
this whole thing is fucking ridiculous. deflating footballs? who cares? there were studies done during the nonsense leading up to the super bowl that it actually does more harm than good due to a decrease in velocity. aaron rogers overinflates his. the vikings were were caught keeping their balls too close to heaters last year. ooooooh! if the nfl really thought this was a big issue, they wouldn't allow teams to handle their own balls in the first place. plus if they were tipped off before the championship game and did nothing...then.....what the fuck? why let it happen? haha. whole thing is nonsense.

you just get the impression that this has always been one of those wink and nod rules for decades. always been a non issue until now. it was a convenient story to keep the nfl in the news in the first week leading up the super bowl and now the report conveniently comes out during the only other dead nfl time of the year.

they'll lose a draft pick and pay a fine (like the falcons had to as a result of their investigation, which nobody cares about--and what they did had a much bigger effect on games imo) and the nfl will change their ball handling policy, thus infuriating quarterbacks all over the league.

fucking. stupid.
while I agree that actual deflated footballs isn't a big issue but you can't tell me that the marquee team in the league having a complete and utter lack of integrity isn't a big issue. those fuckers constantly bend and break the rules and don't give two fucks about it. they are cheating scumbags and fucking bald face liers. kraft, bellicheck and brady need to be suspended. enough of their bullshit.
As I pointed out earlier, if you want Brady suspended for this, fine. But the same report that everyone is pointing to as evidence also exonerates Belichick and Kraft. Calling for their suspension is just bald-faced hatred, nothing more.

Kraft showed a lack of respect for the league with his initial comments about the situation and then further disrespected the league with his comments the other day by basically saying the report is wrong. and bellichick defies the league on a weekly basis and shows a lack of respect for the authority of the league. lack of institutional control over the franchise that those 2 head. suspend them.

So it is about a lack of respect for the league? The same league that has been in the wrong on every major decision it has made since Roger Goodell took office, from concussions to domestic violence, has been been treated with disrespect? I wouldn't waste a single breath defending the honor of the NFL and I love football.

Suspending Kraft and/or Belichick would be both an overreach and a blatant attempt by Roger Goodell to earn favor with other franchises.

Indifference71 · May 2015

JimmyV said:

MayDay10 said:
Institutional Control. Its why Sean Payton was suspended. Last time the Patriots were caught cheating the entire organization took penalties too.
And Sean Payton's suspension was a travesty. Not sure that is something anyone should want to see repeated.

Yep. Don't think Belichick should be suspended, but a Brady suspension and loss of a draft pick seems fair to me.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

Indifference71 said:

JimmyV said:

MayDay10 said:
Institutional Control. Its why Sean Payton was suspended. Last time the Patriots were caught cheating the entire organization took penalties too.
And Sean Payton's suspension was a travesty. Not sure that is something anyone should want to see repeated.

Yep. Don't think Belichick should be suspended, but a Brady suspension and loss of a draft pick seems fair to me.

Seems fair for a suspension AND a lost draft pick? For what? Being a liar? Deflating footballs to 11.5psi instead of 12.5psi? That seems harsh to me. I'm not a pats fan at all, but I think that's to much.

JimmyV · May 2015

People want Brady suspended for lengthy amounts of time because they hate Brady, not because there is anything here that warrants it. 4 games, reduced to two on appeal. That is the absolute MAX. Anything more is ridiculous pandering and Goodell getting it wrong...again.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

JimmyV said:
People want Brady suspended for lengthy amounts of time because they hate Brady, not because there is anything here that warrants it. 4 games, reduced to two on appeal. That is the absolute MAX. Anything more is ridiculous pandering and Goodell getting it wrong...again.

They don't reduce nfl penalties do they? Goodell hears appeals still, doesn't he? I'm not sure any suspension is warranted. There's still no actual evidence that could convict Brady in a court. I know Goodell doesn't need that. Any suspension to me is a witch hunt.

MayDay10 · May 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

Indifference71 said:

JimmyV said:

MayDay10 said:
Institutional Control. Its why Sean Payton was suspended. Last time the Patriots were caught cheating the entire organization took penalties too.
And Sean Payton's suspension was a travesty. Not sure that is something anyone should want to see repeated.

Yep. Don't think Belichick should be suspended, but a Brady suspension and loss of a draft pick seems fair to me.
Seems fair for a suspension AND a lost draft pick? For what? Being a liar? Deflating footballs to 11.5psi instead of 12.5psi? That seems harsh to me. I'm not a pats fan at all, but I think that's to much.

Because they cheated the system and snuck a guy in with a needle to deflate them after inspection. Then lied about it and embarrassed the league. Its much different than pushing the limit and hoping they slip past inspection. Brady seems to have bribed 2 guys to make sure it happens for him.

I also believe the NFL likely gave the Patriots a pretty stern warning when they destroyed all the Spygate materials. Without that whole thing, this issue is much less of an issue.

I think smart odds say its 4 games, reduced to 2 and a draft pick and some sort of fine that amounts to a parking ticket to a guy like Kraft. They suspend guys for weed

WhatYouTaughtMe · May 2015

JimmyV said:
People want Brady suspended for lengthy amounts of time because they hate Brady, not because there is anything here that warrants it. 4 games, reduced to two on appeal. That is the absolute MAX. Anything more is ridiculous pandering and Goodell getting it wrong...again.

Very true. That being said, 8 games minimum!

pjhawks · May 2015

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

MayDay10 said:
I also love the fact that Tom Brady is too busy to meet the president and to read this report that claims to incriminate him and tarnish his legacy... but he can wine and dine at the Kentucky Derby.
this whole thing is fucking ridiculous. deflating footballs? who cares? there were studies done during the nonsense leading up to the super bowl that it actually does more harm than good due to a decrease in velocity. aaron rogers overinflates his. the vikings were were caught keeping their balls too close to heaters last year. ooooooh! if the nfl really thought this was a big issue, they wouldn't allow teams to handle their own balls in the first place. plus if they were tipped off before the championship game and did nothing...then.....what the fuck? why let it happen? haha. whole thing is nonsense.

you just get the impression that this has always been one of those wink and nod rules for decades. always been a non issue until now. it was a convenient story to keep the nfl in the news in the first week leading up the super bowl and now the report conveniently comes out during the only other dead nfl time of the year.

they'll lose a draft pick and pay a fine (like the falcons had to as a result of their investigation, which nobody cares about--and what they did had a much bigger effect on games imo) and the nfl will change their ball handling policy, thus infuriating quarterbacks all over the league.

fucking. stupid.
while I agree that actual deflated footballs isn't a big issue but you can't tell me that the marquee team in the league having a complete and utter lack of integrity isn't a big issue. those fuckers constantly bend and break the rules and don't give two fucks about it. they are cheating scumbags and fucking bald face liers. kraft, bellicheck and brady need to be suspended. enough of their bullshit.
As I pointed out earlier, if you want Brady suspended for this, fine. But the same report that everyone is pointing to as evidence also exonerates Belichick and Kraft. Calling for their suspension is just bald-faced hatred, nothing more.

Kraft showed a lack of respect for the league with his initial comments about the situation and then further disrespected the league with his comments the other day by basically saying the report is wrong. and bellichick defies the league on a weekly basis and shows a lack of respect for the authority of the league. lack of institutional control over the franchise that those 2 head. suspend them.
So it is about a lack of respect for the league? The same league that has been in the wrong on every major decision it has made since Roger Goodell took office, from concussions to domestic violence, has been been treated with disrespect? I wouldn't waste a single breath defending the honor of the NFL and I love football.

Suspending Kraft and/or Belichick would be both an overreach and a blatant attempt by Roger Goodell to earn favor with other franchises.

yes. your boss(es) can disrespect you but you can't expect to disrespect them without consequences can you? it's the same premise. these guys skirt the line and go over the line on so many rules and even after being disciplined once before the pattern continues. harsh penalties for the franchise and it's leaders is called for because if not now then they will continue to break rules and not give a damn. it's been over a decade now and these guys are still breaking rules. it has to stop. I'd fine Kraft a million dollars and suspend him and Bellichick for 8 games. Brady for 4.

JK_Livin · May 2015

Christ, Dante Fowler carted off at Jags practice. Injuries suck.

Just saw the video, he gone.

Amongst the Ani · May 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

JimmyV said:
People want Brady suspended for lengthy amounts of time because they hate Brady, not because there is anything here that warrants it. 4 games, reduced to two on appeal. That is the absolute MAX. Anything more is ridiculous pandering and Goodell getting it wrong...again.
They don't reduce nfl penalties do they? Goodell hears appeals still, doesn't he? I'm not sure any suspension is warranted. There's still no actual evidence that could convict Brady in a court. I know Goodell doesn't need that. Any suspension to me is a witch hunt.

First you have to classify it as on the field or off the field infraction. They have different processes. Goodell will use same argument as Bountygate to get it classified as off which is his purview. On the field goes through a committee of a couple of ex players. Merton Hanks was on it last season.

Off the field he gave up the right to hear appeals as part of the Rice scandal. It now goes to an independent arbitrator for the final appeal. She is the one who reduced Rice's suspension.

JimmyV · May 2015

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

MayDay10 said:
I also love the fact that Tom Brady is too busy to meet the president and to read this report that claims to incriminate him and tarnish his legacy... but he can wine and dine at the Kentucky Derby.
this whole thing is fucking ridiculous. deflating footballs? who cares? there were studies done during the nonsense leading up to the super bowl that it actually does more harm than good due to a decrease in velocity. aaron rogers overinflates his. the vikings were were caught keeping their balls too close to heaters last year. ooooooh! if the nfl really thought this was a big issue, they wouldn't allow teams to handle their own balls in the first place. plus if they were tipped off before the championship game and did nothing...then.....what the fuck? why let it happen? haha. whole thing is nonsense.

you just get the impression that this has always been one of those wink and nod rules for decades. always been a non issue until now. it was a convenient story to keep the nfl in the news in the first week leading up the super bowl and now the report conveniently comes out during the only other dead nfl time of the year.

they'll lose a draft pick and pay a fine (like the falcons had to as a result of their investigation, which nobody cares about--and what they did had a much bigger effect on games imo) and the nfl will change their ball handling policy, thus infuriating quarterbacks all over the league.

fucking. stupid.
while I agree that actual deflated footballs isn't a big issue but you can't tell me that the marquee team in the league having a complete and utter lack of integrity isn't a big issue. those fuckers constantly bend and break the rules and don't give two fucks about it. they are cheating scumbags and fucking bald face liers. kraft, bellicheck and brady need to be suspended. enough of their bullshit.
As I pointed out earlier, if you want Brady suspended for this, fine. But the same report that everyone is pointing to as evidence also exonerates Belichick and Kraft. Calling for their suspension is just bald-faced hatred, nothing more.

Kraft showed a lack of respect for the league with his initial comments about the situation and then further disrespected the league with his comments the other day by basically saying the report is wrong. and bellichick defies the league on a weekly basis and shows a lack of respect for the authority of the league. lack of institutional control over the franchise that those 2 head. suspend them.
So it is about a lack of respect for the league? The same league that has been in the wrong on every major decision it has made since Roger Goodell took office, from concussions to domestic violence, has been been treated with disrespect? I wouldn't waste a single breath defending the honor of the NFL and I love football.

Suspending Kraft and/or Belichick would be both an overreach and a blatant attempt by Roger Goodell to earn favor with other franchises.

yes. your boss(es) can disrespect you but you can't expect to disrespect them without consequences can you? it's the same premise. these guys skirt the line and go over the line on so many rules and even after being disciplined once before the pattern continues. harsh penalties for the franchise and it's leaders is called for because if not now then they will continue to break rules and not give a damn. it's been over a decade now and these guys are still breaking rules. it has to stop. I'd fine Kraft a million dollars and suspend him and Bellichick for 8 games. Brady for 4.

A million dollars? Eight game suspensions for the coach and owner both exonerated by the report? While the guy who actually might have done something gets less? This doesn't even make sense.

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