Beheaded by ISIS

my2hands said:

callen said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

muskydan said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

well then if they don't want to pay the price then they should not ask..that's about as simple as it gets.
and besides it always turns around to bite us in the ass anyway..."they're killing babies and women"
or after the job is complete in thier eyes they protest and tell us to leave and start burning flags and going back to the islam thing that we are infedels, war has many costs and many ugly truths so maybe these countries should be careful what they ask for.

Godfather.

I'm confused GF. So why do you support intervening if you feel they aren't grateful?

And why is US responsible for acting? What's our real interest?

I don't but I believe if we don't the evil tht may be happening in another country could find it's way to our country likr the 9/11 attacks did, believe me I think the whole thing sucks ass.

Godfather.

I think is way too late GD. They are amongst us now as we all know. I think it's only a matter of time of when and where it happens again here.

probably very true but the train members will make excuses for them and blame Americas anyway...

Godfather.

No GF not making excuses just understand ramifications from our actions.

do we understand ramifications of others actions ? nobody is without falt.

Godfather.

We can't control others.

so true but it does not mean we can not do our best to control the situation to keep America safe.


Godfather.

It does if we need to control others to control the situation.

I can think of many situations where we control others to control a situation.

Thirty - I was just going along with Callen and GF's logic here. Callen mentioned we can't control others, which GF confirmed. He then continued that we should do our best to control the situation. If you've already accepted that we can't control others, then we can't control the situation if it depends on that premise.

In any case, Callen, I'm not sure what you were implying in your sentence: can't control others as in physically incapable of doing so, or shouldn't?

We can't control the actions of others only our response to those actions. So if the Evildoers blow up few people we shouldn't go Team America and blow the shit out of the country doing more harm than good which has been our MO.

what do you think should be done about ISIS or any other terrorist group?

Allow local countries to handle.

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Another busy day for those wacky Jihadists.
What do we got today.
A suicide Bomber at a bus stop offs herself and 17 others.Another group of Syrian Christians, mostly women and children kidnapped by ISIS And an American aid worker kidnapped in Nigeria.Oh yeah and the Threats for Mall attacks and other soft targets.Buisness as Usual.

And wonder how many Americans died from violence today at the hands of other Americans in America?

A shit ton Cal.Tomorrow will be the same and the day after that and so on,and so on.No argument here.In the Palm Beaches where I live we have at least 2-3 murders/shootings a night.Mostly in the hood,but it's still violence.
But this conversation isn't about our crime rates, its about the fundamentalist group ISIS and what some think should be done about them and the impact those actions have on the changing theatre of events in that part of the world.Even though I don't agree with the anti patriotism thing you were talking about,I do see your point about blind ambivalence and getting behind a fabricated script from the media.I see a little of that but I agree more with GF,Jason,I think Thirty on this and that's we cannot do nothing.Containment is crucial.At this point who created the ISIS problem and what countries activities creates the new surge in enrollment isn't as important as pushing the advances made by this group back and supporting those groups who are actively fighting them.

Godfather. said:

ISIS wants to control the world..we HAVE TO control ISIS so the they hide behind babies and women and gather up people that are not muslim and kill them and I know nobody wants to kill innocent people but guess what...it's very sad but it happens,do you think we should just throw our hands in the air and let these stupid inbred idiots just go on their merry way killing non muslims ? everybody wants peace but nobody is willing to fight for it and yes with gangs like ISIS in the world we have to fight, my buddy's son has done 4 tours in Iraq and afganastan..if you really want to know what goes on in those areas talk to somebody that has been there and knows,womwn and children kill just as fast as grown men, we don't know anything but what we see on t.v and see a few bloody pictures or films and all the sudden people are whinning about unfair deaths, and no I'm not saying it's good but this is what happens when MAN fights amungst them selfs so don't give me that crap about America being the bully.

Godfather.

I'd like to control the world too, you should probably preemptively control me. In fact, I have a far greater ability to get to America. It's a two hour drive for me.

Between America and the Middle East, you seem to imply here that America wishes for peace in the region more than those in the region. What gives you that idea? If it's the fact that the governments in the region have been ineffective at solving this problem, try to remember how little governing power those players have: and, of course, why they have such little power.

You also seem to imply here that America's threat is equally urgent to the Middle East's. It's not. I've included a map to demonstrate this fact. The blue is water. It's hard to get across. The land is easier to traverse.



You're also saying that nobody's willing to fight for this peace. What about Jordan and Syria outright stating that members of IS will pay?

You also seem to suggest that a member of the US military brought to the region with a strict agenda understands the reality of the Middle East as well as the residents of the Middle East. That's like me pretending to understand the nuances of Vietnamese life, having spent several weeks there. Your suggestion is even more absurd, since a hostile force in a country are simply not going to be welcomed with open arms by locals who have seen all lost at the hands of the people they'd likely consider monsters.

America struggles with the notion that they are not, in fact, the exclusive imperialist nation in a colonial world. I don't think the original European settlers were ever able to grasp that concept, and hundreds of years later, they still don't: their incessant meddling in foreign affairs is all the evidence you need.

Godfather, respectfully, I couldn't agree less when it comes to our perceptions of the motives of America in the region of the Middle East. Historically, you're talking about a country who has intervened under false pretences on countless occasions, and the outcomes are always self-serving. The typical game is to intervene, promote the indispensability of America's presence, allow regional conflict (aka distraction), watch the place burn, turn the ashes into mediocre buildings, then offer assistance when the shoddy foundations crumble.

So don't give me that crap about America's innocence.

my2hands said:

callen said:

my2hands said:

callen said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

muskydan said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

well then if they don't want to pay the price then they should not ask..that's about as simple as it gets.
and besides it always turns around to bite us in the ass anyway..."they're killing babies and women"
or after the job is complete in thier eyes they protest and tell us to leave and start burning flags and going back to the islam thing that we are infedels, war has many costs and many ugly truths so maybe these countries should be careful what they ask for.

Godfather.

I'm confused GF. So why do you support intervening if you feel they aren't grateful?

And why is US responsible for acting? What's our real interest?

I don't but I believe if we don't the evil tht may be happening in another country could find it's way to our country likr the 9/11 attacks did, believe me I think the whole thing sucks ass.

Godfather.

I think is way too late GD. They are amongst us now as we all know. I think it's only a matter of time of when and where it happens again here.

probably very true but the train members will make excuses for them and blame Americas anyway...

Godfather.

No GF not making excuses just understand ramifications from our actions.

do we understand ramifications of others actions ? nobody is without falt.

Godfather.

We can't control others.

so true but it does not mean we can not do our best to control the situation to keep America safe.


Godfather.

It does if we need to control others to control the situation.

I can think of many situations where we control others to control a situation.

Thirty - I was just going along with Callen and GF's logic here. Callen mentioned we can't control others, which GF confirmed. He then continued that we should do our best to control the situation. If you've already accepted that we can't control others, then we can't control the situation if it depends on that premise.

In any case, Callen, I'm not sure what you were implying in your sentence: can't control others as in physically incapable of doing so, or shouldn't?

We can't control the actions of others only our response to those actions. So if the Evildoers blow up few people we shouldn't go Team America and blow the shit out of the country doing more harm than good which has been our MO.

what do you think should be done about ISIS or any other terrorist group?

Allow local countries to handle.

fair enough...

how has that worked out so far?

um not so good, because not many have really tried til now.

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

ISIS wants to control the world..we HAVE TO control ISIS so the they hide behind babies and women and gather up people that are not muslim and kill them and I know nobody wants to kill innocent people but guess what...it's very sad but it happens,do you think we should just throw our hands in the air and let these stupid inbred idiots just go on their merry way killing non muslims ? everybody wants peace but nobody is willing to fight for it and yes with gangs like ISIS in the world we have to fight, my buddy's son has done 4 tours in Iraq and afganastan..if you really want to know what goes on in those areas talk to somebody that has been there and knows,womwn and children kill just as fast as grown men, we don't know anything but what we see on t.v and see a few bloody pictures or films and all the sudden people are whinning about unfair deaths, and no I'm not saying it's good but this is what happens when MAN fights amungst them selfs so don't give me that crap about America being the bully.

Godfather.

you say "killing non muslims" seems to suggest that ISIS killing muslims is ok?

no I don't mean that at all.

Godfather.

good to hear. Please understand I ask based off of previous statements.

callen said:

my2hands said:

callen said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

muskydan said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

well then if they don't want to pay the price then they should not ask..that's about as simple as it gets.
and besides it always turns around to bite us in the ass anyway..."they're killing babies and women"
or after the job is complete in thier eyes they protest and tell us to leave and start burning flags and going back to the islam thing that we are infedels, war has many costs and many ugly truths so maybe these countries should be careful what they ask for.

Godfather.

I'm confused GF. So why do you support intervening if you feel they aren't grateful?

And why is US responsible for acting? What's our real interest?

I don't but I believe if we don't the evil tht may be happening in another country could find it's way to our country likr the 9/11 attacks did, believe me I think the whole thing sucks ass.

Godfather.

I think is way too late GD. They are amongst us now as we all know. I think it's only a matter of time of when and where it happens again here.

probably very true but the train members will make excuses for them and blame Americas anyway...

Godfather.

No GF not making excuses just understand ramifications from our actions.

do we understand ramifications of others actions ? nobody is without falt.

Godfather.

We can't control others.

so true but it does not mean we can not do our best to control the situation to keep America safe.


Godfather.

It does if we need to control others to control the situation.

I can think of many situations where we control others to control a situation.

Thirty - I was just going along with Callen and GF's logic here. Callen mentioned we can't control others, which GF confirmed. He then continued that we should do our best to control the situation. If you've already accepted that we can't control others, then we can't control the situation if it depends on that premise.

In any case, Callen, I'm not sure what you were implying in your sentence: can't control others as in physically incapable of doing so, or shouldn't?

We can't control the actions of others only our response to those actions. So if the Evildoers blow up few people we shouldn't go Team America and blow the shit out of the country doing more harm than good which has been our MO.

what do you think should be done about ISIS or any other terrorist group?

Allow local countries to handle.

If we could go back in time and intervene, would you support defending the Tutsi people against the Hutu people in the Rwandan genocide?

Romeo Dallaire suggested it was our moral responsibility to assist in such travesties because- simply put- we could. We have been fortunate to have been born on a place on the earth where we enjoy an outstanding life. It would be callous and cold-hearted to ignore the pleas of those in need.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

my2hands said:

callen said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

muskydan said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

well then if they don't want to pay the price then they should not ask..that's about as simple as it gets.
and besides it always turns around to bite us in the ass anyway..."they're killing babies and women"
or after the job is complete in thier eyes they protest and tell us to leave and start burning flags and going back to the islam thing that we are infedels, war has many costs and many ugly truths so maybe these countries should be careful what they ask for.

Godfather.

I'm confused GF. So why do you support intervening if you feel they aren't grateful?

And why is US responsible for acting? What's our real interest?

I don't but I believe if we don't the evil tht may be happening in another country could find it's way to our country likr the 9/11 attacks did, believe me I think the whole thing sucks ass.

Godfather.

I think is way too late GD. They are amongst us now as we all know. I think it's only a matter of time of when and where it happens again here.

probably very true but the train members will make excuses for them and blame Americas anyway...

Godfather.

No GF not making excuses just understand ramifications from our actions.

do we understand ramifications of others actions ? nobody is without falt.

Godfather.

We can't control others.

so true but it does not mean we can not do our best to control the situation to keep America safe.


Godfather.

It does if we need to control others to control the situation.

I can think of many situations where we control others to control a situation.

Thirty - I was just going along with Callen and GF's logic here. Callen mentioned we can't control others, which GF confirmed. He then continued that we should do our best to control the situation. If you've already accepted that we can't control others, then we can't control the situation if it depends on that premise.

In any case, Callen, I'm not sure what you were implying in your sentence: can't control others as in physically incapable of doing so, or shouldn't?

We can't control the actions of others only our response to those actions. So if the Evildoers blow up few people we shouldn't go Team America and blow the shit out of the country doing more harm than good which has been our MO.

what do you think should be done about ISIS or any other terrorist group?

Allow local countries to handle.

If we could go back in time and intervene, would you support defending the Tutsi people against the Hutu people in the Rwandan genocide?

Romeo Dallaire suggested it was our moral responsibility to assist in such travesties because- simply put- we could. We have been fortunate to have been born on a place on the earth where we enjoy an outstanding life. It would be callous and cold-hearted to ignore the pleas of those in need.

Where do you draw the line? Ukraine Africa North Korea? How many military conflicts at one time. At what economic cost. So go volunteer thirty, donate all of your money.

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

my2hands said:

callen said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

muskydan said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

well then if they don't want to pay the price then they should not ask..that's about as simple as it gets.
and besides it always turns around to bite us in the ass anyway..."they're killing babies and women"
or after the job is complete in thier eyes they protest and tell us to leave and start burning flags and going back to the islam thing that we are infedels, war has many costs and many ugly truths so maybe these countries should be careful what they ask for.

Godfather.

I'm confused GF. So why do you support intervening if you feel they aren't grateful?

And why is US responsible for acting? What's our real interest?

I don't but I believe if we don't the evil tht may be happening in another country could find it's way to our country likr the 9/11 attacks did, believe me I think the whole thing sucks ass.

Godfather.

I think is way too late GD. They are amongst us now as we all know. I think it's only a matter of time of when and where it happens again here.

probably very true but the train members will make excuses for them and blame Americas anyway...

Godfather.

No GF not making excuses just understand ramifications from our actions.

do we understand ramifications of others actions ? nobody is without falt.

Godfather.

We can't control others.

so true but it does not mean we can not do our best to control the situation to keep America safe.


Godfather.

It does if we need to control others to control the situation.

I can think of many situations where we control others to control a situation.

Thirty - I was just going along with Callen and GF's logic here. Callen mentioned we can't control others, which GF confirmed. He then continued that we should do our best to control the situation. If you've already accepted that we can't control others, then we can't control the situation if it depends on that premise.

In any case, Callen, I'm not sure what you were implying in your sentence: can't control others as in physically incapable of doing so, or shouldn't?

We can't control the actions of others only our response to those actions. So if the Evildoers blow up few people we shouldn't go Team America and blow the shit out of the country doing more harm than good which has been our MO.

what do you think should be done about ISIS or any other terrorist group?

Allow local countries to handle.

If we could go back in time and intervene, would you support defending the Tutsi people against the Hutu people in the Rwandan genocide?

Romeo Dallaire suggested it was our moral responsibility to assist in such travesties because- simply put- we could. We have been fortunate to have been born on a place on the earth where we enjoy an outstanding life. It would be callous and cold-hearted to ignore the pleas of those in need.

Where do you draw the line? Ukraine Africa North Korea? How many military conflicts at one time. At what economic cost. So go volunteer thirty, donate all of your money.

I don't want to volunteer, but there are plenty who do. Canada has a role in the middle east right now. My tax dollars are contributing.

I'm not sure intervening is the right thing or not, but there are many who feel it is. So be flippant all you wish, but the bottom line is that there are perspectives different than yours that might be right.

I can assume from your response that wouldn't or didn't support a humanitarian response to the situation in Rwanda.

mickeyrat said:

my2hands said:

callen said:

my2hands said:

callen said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

muskydan said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

well then if they don't want to pay the price then they should not ask..that's about as simple as it gets.
and besides it always turns around to bite us in the ass anyway..."they're killing babies and women"
or after the job is complete in thier eyes they protest and tell us to leave and start burning flags and going back to the islam thing that we are infedels, war has many costs and many ugly truths so maybe these countries should be careful what they ask for.

Godfather.

I'm confused GF. So why do you support intervening if you feel they aren't grateful?

And why is US responsible for acting? What's our real interest?

I don't but I believe if we don't the evil tht may be happening in another country could find it's way to our country likr the 9/11 attacks did, believe me I think the whole thing sucks ass.

Godfather.

I think is way too late GD. They are amongst us now as we all know. I think it's only a matter of time of when and where it happens again here.

probably very true but the train members will make excuses for them and blame Americas anyway...

Godfather.

No GF not making excuses just understand ramifications from our actions.

do we understand ramifications of others actions ? nobody is without falt.

Godfather.

We can't control others.

so true but it does not mean we can not do our best to control the situation to keep America safe.


Godfather.

It does if we need to control others to control the situation.

I can think of many situations where we control others to control a situation.

Thirty - I was just going along with Callen and GF's logic here. Callen mentioned we can't control others, which GF confirmed. He then continued that we should do our best to control the situation. If you've already accepted that we can't control others, then we can't control the situation if it depends on that premise.

In any case, Callen, I'm not sure what you were implying in your sentence: can't control others as in physically incapable of doing so, or shouldn't?

We can't control the actions of others only our response to those actions. So if the Evildoers blow up few people we shouldn't go Team America and blow the shit out of the country doing more harm than good which has been our MO.

what do you think should be done about ISIS or any other terrorist group?

Allow local countries to handle.

fair enough...

how has that worked out so far?

um not so good, because not many have really tried til now.

Two Iraqi wars ?

Callen - So you don't feel any feelings for your birth country?
You don't wish your countrymen/women to take home the goldmedal in for example the olympics?

I think it's only normal to have a little patriotic feelings.
I once asked a coworker where she was from she told me she was from Turkey. I replied again oh Turkey she was like sshh, not so loud. I don't understand why she reacted like that and I thought it was a bit sad.
Every country has something interesting and valuable to offer.