Taliban massacre in Peshawar

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    mickeyrat said:

    josevolution said:

    fucking pathetic peices of shit these individuals to kill children like that all in the name of religion ....

    retaliation. Their claim is this was done to strike back in the same way that Pakistan at our behest or backed by us has done to them. This school in particular as they were the children of soldiers in that fight to abolish the taliban.

    What the US fails to see or arrogantly ignores is how peoples in the various regions we stick our nose in are likely to respond to us imposing our will to protect our "interests" . With peoples with revenge on their heart or nothing to lose otherwise , how can they really be defeated?

    There is no way this stops. it only progresses to eventual annihilation of all peoples everywhere..
    I don't know. Bit less pessimistic. Maybe natural selection will save the species.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    callen said:

    Humans are weak easily manipulated sheep. And though Gods are not the entire reason maybe if we just said " Look there are no Gods. There are no holy books" and just get it over with rather than pandering to human insecurity.

    Boggles the mind how we allow this charade to continue.

    Yes I realize this had little to do with religion but maybe leaders would have harder time recruiting once we took this ploy away. This post is not directed at only Muslims but all religions/gods.

    Callen, I'd be curious to hear your response to what I suggested above, that religion would be replaced by the next most convenient self-serving divisive human characteristic (most likely nationalism, in my opinion).
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  • Jason P
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    mickeyrat said:

    josevolution said:

    fucking pathetic peices of shit these individuals to kill children like that all in the name of religion ....

    retaliation. Their claim is this was done to strike back in the same way that Pakistan at our behest or backed by us has done to them. This school in particular as they were the children of soldiers in that fight to abolish the taliban.

    What the US fails to see or arrogantly ignores is how peoples in the various regions we stick our nose in are likely to respond to us imposing our will to protect our "interests" . With peoples with revenge on their heart or nothing to lose otherwise , how can they really be defeated?

    There is no way this stops. it only progresses to eventual annihilation of all peoples everywhere..
    The Taliban originated in Pakistan and invaded Afghanistan in 1996. This goes far beyond US involvement. Same say as far back as several thousand years.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Jason P said:

    mickeyrat said:

    josevolution said:

    fucking pathetic peices of shit these individuals to kill children like that all in the name of religion ....

    retaliation. Their claim is this was done to strike back in the same way that Pakistan at our behest or backed by us has done to them. This school in particular as they were the children of soldiers in that fight to abolish the taliban.

    What the US fails to see or arrogantly ignores is how peoples in the various regions we stick our nose in are likely to respond to us imposing our will to protect our "interests" . With peoples with revenge on their heart or nothing to lose otherwise , how can they really be defeated?

    There is no way this stops. it only progresses to eventual annihilation of all peoples everywhere..
    The Taliban originated in Pakistan and invaded Afghanistan in 1996. This goes far beyond US involvement. Same say as far back as several thousand years.
    from Afghan refugees. Wiki( I know) says something different too. From 50 at a madrasas taught by Mullah Omar.....either way it is comprised mainly of The Pashtun

    interesting read here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people
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  • callen
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    benjs said:

    callen said:

    Humans are weak easily manipulated sheep. And though Gods are not the entire reason maybe if we just said " Look there are no Gods. There are no holy books" and just get it over with rather than pandering to human insecurity.

    Boggles the mind how we allow this charade to continue.

    Yes I realize this had little to do with religion but maybe leaders would have harder time recruiting once we took this ploy away. This post is not directed at only Muslims but all religions/gods.

    Callen, I'd be curious to hear your response to what I suggested above, that religion would be replaced by the next most convenient self-serving divisive human characteristic (most likely nationalism, in my opinion).
    Yeah have thought about this and almost didn't post my tirade because of it. So my thoughts are we also call out nationalism or any other controlling aspect. As with religion, have posted my thoughts on effective use of propaganda used by US and will continue to do so. "Evildoers" USA chant, pledge of allegiance, flyby' by military machine at sporting events. Just as bad as fighting for god. Yeah probably futile but as with Musky, feel better talking about it.






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  • Jason P
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    mickeyrat said:

    Jason P said:

    mickeyrat said:

    josevolution said:

    fucking pathetic peices of shit these individuals to kill children like that all in the name of religion ....

    retaliation. Their claim is this was done to strike back in the same way that Pakistan at our behest or backed by us has done to them. This school in particular as they were the children of soldiers in that fight to abolish the taliban.

    What the US fails to see or arrogantly ignores is how peoples in the various regions we stick our nose in are likely to respond to us imposing our will to protect our "interests" . With peoples with revenge on their heart or nothing to lose otherwise , how can they really be defeated?

    There is no way this stops. it only progresses to eventual annihilation of all peoples everywhere..
    The Taliban originated in Pakistan and invaded Afghanistan in 1996. This goes far beyond US involvement. Same say as far back as several thousand years.
    from Afghan refugees. Wiki( I know) says something different too. From 50 at a madrasas taught by Mullah Omar.....either way it is comprised mainly of The Pashtun

    interesting read here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people
    Either, or ... Six dudes decided it was a great idea to strap bombs onto themselves and burst into a school with a "take no prisoners, take no shit, we die today, god is great" attitude. And their commanding force decided it would be a great idea to take such responsibility for it, with the caveat of " Hey, we told them to go for older students if possible, just say'n", as if that somehow justifies it.

    That is an insane notion to 99.9999999% of anyone posting here including you and me. We try to make logic out of it. Thus we try to see how US policy figured into this. I understand where your point of view is coming from because we dabble in logic yet logic defies how such an event can occur. (I apologize if I'm off base).

    If there is anything I've learned from AMT, the US has been poking their nose into every corner of the world, yet incidents like this are isolated to one region.

    I don't accept the "Six degrees to Kevin Bacon" / "Uncle Sam's" fault as an acceptable theory for this madness.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    Jason P said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Jason P said:

    mickeyrat said:

    josevolution said:

    fucking pathetic peices of shit these individuals to kill children like that all in the name of religion ....

    retaliation. Their claim is this was done to strike back in the same way that Pakistan at our behest or backed by us has done to them. This school in particular as they were the children of soldiers in that fight to abolish the taliban.

    What the US fails to see or arrogantly ignores is how peoples in the various regions we stick our nose in are likely to respond to us imposing our will to protect our "interests" . With peoples with revenge on their heart or nothing to lose otherwise , how can they really be defeated?

    There is no way this stops. it only progresses to eventual annihilation of all peoples everywhere..
    The Taliban originated in Pakistan and invaded Afghanistan in 1996. This goes far beyond US involvement. Same say as far back as several thousand years.
    from Afghan refugees. Wiki( I know) says something different too. From 50 at a madrasas taught by Mullah Omar.....either way it is comprised mainly of The Pashtun

    interesting read here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people
    Either, or ... Six dudes decided it was a great idea to strap bombs onto themselves and burst into a school with a "take no prisoners, take no shit, we die today, god is great" attitude. And their commanding force decided it would be a great idea to take such responsibility for it, with the caveat of " Hey, we told them to go for older students if possible, just say'n", as if that somehow justifies it.

    That is an insane notion to 99.9999999% of anyone posting here including you and me. We try to make logic out of it. Thus we try to see how US policy figured into this. I understand where your point of view is coming from because we dabble in logic yet logic defies how such an event can occur. (I apologize if I'm off base).

    If there is anything I've learned from AMT, the US has been poking their nose into every corner of the world, yet incidents like this are isolated to one region.

    I don't accept the "Six degrees to Kevin Bacon" / "Uncle Sam's" fault as an acceptable theory for this madness.
    Three things.

    1) I'd love to see the "Taliban Roadmap". My guess is that it exists, and is blatantly unconcerned with the gross violation of humanitarianism. It's also probably logical (though the end goals are probably unlikely, but we witness time and time again how 'faith' can amplify the perceived likelihood of something happening in spite of minuscule odds).
    2) Incidents like this are not isolated to one region. We've seen this in the London bombings, in the Australian hostage situation, and in the 9/11 attacks. We witness it most in the Middle East likely because of the tremendous amount of corruption that goes beyond economic corruption, and into the realm of denying the masses of their basic human rights.
    3) Just as some say it's America's fault, and other's say it isn't - my guess is both are correct. The US's involvement in foreign affairs is probably just one of numerous reasons for extremism in the region.
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  • rr165892
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    The U.S. involvement will also be helpful in fighting back against this filth.Im pretty sure they just kicked a hornets nest.
    I don't see the Pakastani Military or ISS sitting quit while the orginazation that killed their own children flourish.At one time I thought The Pakastanis were sympathetic to some of the Taliban and offered a bit of Dont ask don't tell.But now I think they pissed in their own soup.Stay tuned.
  • badbrains
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    Quotes ain't working for some strange reason but this is in resposene to RR. I wonder if they allowed this to happen kind of like a turn the other cheek so they can get into this fight against the Taliban and garner support form Pakistani people? Idk, it's fucked up no matter what way we look at it.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    badbrains wrote: »
    Quotes ain't working for some strange reason but this is in resposene to RR. I wonder if they allowed this to happen kind of like a turn the other cheek so they can get into this fight against the Taliban and garner support form Pakistani people? Idk, it's fucked up no matter what way we look at it.

    Over there I wouldn't doubt it.Ur right it's all FUBAR.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,076
    tragedy.

    i can't even begin to wrap my head around this.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    It never ceases to blow me away- the horrible nature of things that some fundamentalist-sociopathic-maggots (of any race, color, religion, creed, etc.) are capable of inflicting on their fellow humans- especially when it's the young who are targeted. Very sad.
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  • callen
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    edited December 2014
    In response to Ben: Read this am that first thing perps said after storming school was God is Great. Do believe "Belief" is more powerful than nationalism.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    callen wrote: »
    In response to Ben: Read this am that first thing perps said after storming school was God is Great. Do believe "Belief" is more powerful than nationalism.

    I believe you are right Cal.Religion makes people do some stupid fucking things.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,935
    Man. What a fucked up world we live in . So disturbing.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I agree with RR and callen, religious belief is deeper than nationalism, but i agree with benjs that those who are prone to be zealous would convert that passion to nationalism and make it into a sort of religion, as we have seen in secular states like stalinist russia, nazi germany, and north korea. In the end, rational folks always get swept under in the tide of extremism.
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  • know1
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    Religious belief is far deeper for me than nationalism. Heck, if anything, I'm anti-nationalism.

    That being said, my religion tells me to love and forgive everyone, and specifically tells me not to kill. I think it also has some words against harming children particularly.

    I think most of the religions out there are similar to mine, so that these people may be CLAIMING religious beliefs are driving them to this, but in reality, they have distorted the tenets of those religions to justify their own thirst for violence.
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  • brianlux
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    I would say that here in the US, nationalism is stronger than religion. Many have claimed a faith but I don't think they really mean it. It's just a way to keep the herd in line.
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  • Drowned Out
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    rr165892 wrote: »
    This is exactly why this scourge needs to be exterminated.And for those who like to always counter with "well the west created this problem with its occupation and depleted uranium shells,blah,blah,blah.Give it a fucking break.We didn't cause these murderering low life scum to shoot up a cafe in Australlia and slaughter a school full of children (again).No apologists on this one please.There is no excuse for tolerating this behavior from any radical group.
    nuclear waste, deformities, military occupation, dead kids.....blah blah blah? Lash out all you want man, but when you let your emotions guide actual policy, you end up in a worse spot than the one you started in. You seem to like to associate criticism of imperialist policy with support for turror. Like, every time it comes up. Why? B&W. For us or against us. This backhanded shot at me and anyone else who talks causation is totally unnecessary. No one here is an apologist for murdering 100+ kids. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Jason P wrote: »
    If there is anything I've learned from AMT, the US has been poking their nose into every corner of the world, yet incidents like this are isolated to one region.
    rr165892 wrote: »
    Over there I wouldn't doubt it.Ur right it's all FUBAR.

    Over there? One region? what does that mean? The middle east? you guys know Pakistan isn't in the middle east, right? Do yo mean muslim majority countries? Or just non-white, euro-centric countries? Or...?
    Russian school killings....Norwegian youth killings....columbine....hello.

    prejudice and exceptionalism rear their ugly heads, right on cue....
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Know1, your religion may tell you not to kill, to love everyone, and not harm children, but your Holy texts are also full of people hating, killing, and harming children in God's name, by God's command. So in reality they are letting their Holy books lead by example.
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