Taliban massacre in Peshawar

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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Drowned Out wrote: »
    rr165892 wrote: »
    This is exactly why this scourge needs to be exterminated.And for those who like to always counter with "well the west created this problem with its occupation and depleted uranium shells,blah,blah,blah.Give it a fucking break.We didn't cause these murderering low life scum to shoot up a cafe in Australlia and slaughter a school full of children (again).No apologists on this one please.There is no excuse for tolerating this behavior from any radical group.
    nuclear waste, deformities, military occupation, dead kids.....blah blah blah? Lash out all you want man, but when you let your emotions guide actual policy, you end up in a worse spot than the one you started in. You seem to like to associate criticism of imperialist policy with support for turror. Like, every time it comes up. Why? B&W. For us or against us. This backhanded shot at me and anyone else who talks causation is totally unnecessary. No one here is an apologist for murdering 100+ kids. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Jason P wrote: »
    If there is anything I've learned from AMT, the US has been poking their nose into every corner of the world, yet incidents like this are isolated to one region.
    rr165892 wrote: »
    Over there I wouldn't doubt it.Ur right it's all FUBAR.

    Over there? One region? what does that mean? The middle east? you guys know Pakistan isn't in the middle east, right? Do yo mean muslim majority countries? Or just non-white, euro-centric countries? Or...?
    Russian school killings....Norwegian youth killings....columbine....hello.

    prejudice and exceptionalism rear their ugly heads, right on cue....
    There you again Drowned.Blame the U.S. policy for the actions of sick Islamic Terrorist.This ain't on the "Imperialists".
    I take exception to your predujudice claim.I am not anti anyone.I have zero problems with people of Muslim faith.I have a problem with those who pervert these faiths with myopic twisted views.I do however question some of the activities that take place in predominately Islamic nations and the continued abuse of human rights and individual freedoms in the name of religion.
    And I wasn't singling you out with my comments although you do seem to blame the actions of the west as a reason for the terrorist behavior.

  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    rgambs wrote: »
    Know1, your religion may tell you not to kill, to love everyone, and not harm children, but your Holy texts are also full of people hating, killing, and harming children in God's name, by God's command. So in reality they are letting their Holy books lead by example.

    There is a big difference between the past (Old Testament) and the present (New Testament). Basically every sermon at my church talks about loving people and that's what I believe in.

    My only point was to say that people can be deeply religious and be vehemently opposed to harming others.

    The only people we should try to get even with...
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    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    I'm curious, how relatively calm was the Mid East "before" 2000?
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    know1 wrote: »
    rgambs wrote: »
    Know1, your religion may tell you not to kill, to love everyone, and not harm children, but your Holy texts are also full of people hating, killing, and harming children in God's name, by God's command. So in reality they are letting their Holy books lead by example.

    There is a big difference between the past (Old Testament) and the present (New Testament). Basically every sermon at my church talks about loving people and that's what I believe in.

    My only point was to say that people can be deeply religious and be vehemently opposed to harming others.

    I agree with your point, but I would refute your premise. Your implication is that hatred, murder and harm to children are exclusively found in the Old Testament (not the New Testament). In Judaism, Jews look to the Old Testament for guidance, and having been in synagogue more times than I can count and heard rabbis discuss the Torah portion of the week - I rarely have heard a mention of violence. When I do, it's either a condemnation of violence in the modern world, or an analysis of violence in the texts: and in that case, there's typically an allegorical explanation to accompany it, and to pivot the focus from the violence, to the underlaying moral which can be separated from the violence. I would assume that similarly, while you may only have heard love preached in your church, the violence is indeed present in the New Testament.

    In addition to this theory - did Jesus not preach the value of the Old Testament himself? In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." If a good Christian follows in the footsteps of Jesus, and Jesus is in favour of fulfilling the laws of the Old Testament, then the "oh, that old book? It's antiquated" argument doesn't really work: if you live your life following Jesus, and Jesus recommends you follow the Old Testament - what's the difference?

    The only consistency across every religion that I've seen is that the writing is highly ambiguous (likely by design). When you have ambiguous text which can promote the love of life or the destruction of life - you provide the members of your religion with a 'get out of jail free' card for every horrific action they make (in fact, you give them a pat on the back), and reinforce their faith with every good deed that's condoned by both society and members of your own religion.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    badbrains wrote: »
    I'm curious, how relatively calm was the Mid East "before" 2000?

    It wasn't.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Drowned Out wrote: »
    rr165892 wrote: »
    This is exactly why this scourge needs to be exterminated.And for those who like to always counter with "well the west created this problem with its occupation and depleted uranium shells,blah,blah,blah.Give it a fucking break.We didn't cause these murderering low life scum to shoot up a cafe in Australlia and slaughter a school full of children (again).No apologists on this one please.There is no excuse for tolerating this behavior from any radical group.
    nuclear waste, deformities, military occupation, dead kids.....blah blah blah? Lash out all you want man, but when you let your emotions guide actual policy, you end up in a worse spot than the one you started in. You seem to like to associate criticism of imperialist policy with support for turror. Like, every time it comes up. Why? B&W. For us or against us. This backhanded shot at me and anyone else who talks causation is totally unnecessary. No one here is an apologist for murdering 100+ kids. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Jason P wrote: »
    If there is anything I've learned from AMT, the US has been poking their nose into every corner of the world, yet incidents like this are isolated to one region.
    rr165892 wrote: »
    Over there I wouldn't doubt it.Ur right it's all FUBAR.

    Over there? One region? what does that mean? The middle east? you guys know Pakistan isn't in the middle east, right? Do yo mean muslim majority countries? Or just non-white, euro-centric countries? Or...?
    Russian school killings....Norwegian youth killings....columbine....hello.

    prejudice and exceptionalism rear their ugly heads, right on cue....

    I consider Pakistan part of the middle east. What region is it?
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    Drowned Out wrote: »
    rr165892 wrote: »
    This is exactly why this scourge needs to be exterminated.And for those who like to always counter with "well the west created this problem with its occupation and depleted uranium shells,blah,blah,blah.Give it a fucking break.We didn't cause these murderering low life scum to shoot up a cafe in Australlia and slaughter a school full of children (again).No apologists on this one please.There is no excuse for tolerating this behavior from any radical group.
    nuclear waste, deformities, military occupation, dead kids.....blah blah blah? Lash out all you want man, but when you let your emotions guide actual policy, you end up in a worse spot than the one you started in. You seem to like to associate criticism of imperialist policy with support for turror. Like, every time it comes up. Why? B&W. For us or against us. This backhanded shot at me and anyone else who talks causation is totally unnecessary. No one here is an apologist for murdering 100+ kids. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Jason P wrote: »
    If there is anything I've learned from AMT, the US has been poking their nose into every corner of the world, yet incidents like this are isolated to one region.
    rr165892 wrote: »
    Over there I wouldn't doubt it.Ur right it's all FUBAR.

    Over there? One region? what does that mean? The middle east? you guys know Pakistan isn't in the middle east, right? Do yo mean muslim majority countries? Or just non-white, euro-centric countries? Or...?
    Russian school killings....Norwegian youth killings....columbine....hello.

    prejudice and exceptionalism rear their ugly heads, right on cue....

    I consider Pakistan part of the middle east. What region is it?

    I've always thought of it as being a bridge between South Asia (i.e. India and east of it) and the Middle East. Technically, I think it's within Asia.
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    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    badbrains wrote: »
    I'm curious, how relatively calm was the Mid East "before" 2000?

    That's a interesting question BB.Because with The Iranian hostage crisis,then the Gulf war 1,Russia dicking around in Afgahnastan back in the day.Khadaffi getting Missles lobbed at his house.Beruit was a cluster.
    During Clinton era I thought the Israeli/Palestine peace process was at its closest point and kinda mellow.Mogadishu was fucked and we were helping the Muslims with the whole Serb thing.and of course the first Trade center bomb.
    We lit the fuse of this nonsense 2 decades prior and it all changed I think after the first gulf war and who we chose to befriend in the area.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited December 2014
    Well, technically, the middle east is in Asia. Isn't it? Except for Egypt.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    rr165892 wrote: »
    badbrains wrote: »
    I'm curious, how relatively calm was the Mid East "before" 2000?

    That's a interesting question BB.Because with The Iranian hostage crisis,then the Gulf war 1,Russia dicking around in Afgahnastan back in the day.Khadaffi getting Missles lobbed at his house.Beruit was a cluster.
    During Clinton era I thought the Israeli/Palestine peace process was at its closest point and kinda mellow.Mogadishu was fucked and we were helping the Muslims with the whole Serb thing.and of course the first Trade center bomb.
    We lit the fuse of this nonsense 2 decades prior and it all changed I think after the first gulf war and who we chose to befriend in the area.

    Don't forget about the initially British, followed by joint, then solely US presence in Iran as they orchestrated the overthrow of the government in the '50s in an effort to ensure that they could control and profit from Iranian oil. Bribery, threats, people paid to riot in the streets, all documented and publicly available now in CIA files. Hell, they even made a best-selling comic-style app about it (it's fantastic, free, and called Operation Ajax for those interested).
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    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    Well, technically, the middle east is Asia. Isn't it? Except for Egypt.

    You're right, my apologies! I'm pretty sure Pakistan is still not considered the Middle East.
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    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,622
    that region has been taken over by outside entities since the romans if not before. shit aint changed, just the flag flying by the conquerors.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,076
    i never understood killing in the name of a god, a faith, a religion, etc.

    i mean, if god wanted a certain group of people dead, why the fuck can't his/her all powerful ass do it themselves and leave the rest of us out of this vendetta??
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