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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    hedonist said:

    imalive said:

    When a cop tells you to do something, comply. Chances are, you won't get shot.

    I know that within every scenario there are different variables, people, mindsets.

    But yes...this makes much sense. Common sense.

    Last year I got pulled over for expired tags. I was surprised when the officer told me to keep my hands in plain sight (didn't feel I was a threat), but fuck me if I didn't comply. Why wouldn't I?

    Very polite and professional fellow, by the way.

    Personally, when I get pulled over I put both hands on the wheel as the officer approaches the car. It should tell a cop right from the start that I'm not a threat. (Not that you did any thing wrong btw, but in my opinion it's a good way to start the interaction...... You know, rather than saying something like "f what you have to say" and punching him in the side of the head. More often than not, that doesn't end well. Somehow people on this thread are still struggling with the idea that assaulting a police officer is a pretty major offense.)
    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    muskydan said:

    That was a great movie and song, I would be honored. As I have said a few times already, the truth hurts, nobody ever wants to hear truth, especially in my business…all we want is the truth right??? Why is it that some people cannot handle opinions that are the complete opposite of others on here?? Isn't that what this country and PJ music is all about? I have been entertained daily by many posts on here.

    Actually, I like your posts.

    You and I should get together this weekend and have a few drinks. Then we can go out and hang out at Food for Less.

    We can keep track of how many assholes pay with their link card.
    Then drive away in their $30,000 car.

    Hahaha

    first drink in a bag is on me
    Did you read about the 5 rascals in St. Louis who beat the Bosnian guy with hammers?
    Beat him to death.

    Was that a hate crime?
    Hmmmm
    and how come that crime gets nowhere near the attention as the police officer who was doing his job?

    Hate crime or not, thats a major false equivalency, civilian on civilian crime is not the same as an incident involving an agent of the government paid to protect.
    Fox news has been harping on this, riling their racist fan base, which is their prerogative, but the two cases are wholly unrelated and not worth comparing.
    You are correct. They cannot be compared.

    One is a senseless crime, while the other is an act of self defence where an unruly criminal attacked an armed officer of the law and met his end as a result.
    I don't disagree with this... All the more reason not to race-rile over it, while being a hypocrite and condemning Jackson and Sharpton.
    I don't understand how a person could come to the defense of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Those two are the dregs of humanity.
    Tell us how you really feel! I wonder what descriptors you save for rapists, murderers, and molesters. You may not agree with them, but these dregs have dedicated their lives to helping the underprivileged (though they certainly can be criticized for profiting as well). Jesse Jackson worked for Mr. King and was part of the marches from Selma to Montgomery for civil rights. What have YOU done with your life that makes you so far above these men who have donated thousands upon thousands of dollars and efforts to civil rights?
    For the record, I wasn't defending them, only pointing out the hypocrisy of folks (you included?) who run with those idiotic fox newsers.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    I didn't even click on the link. I could care less if it applied to this case. When it pertains to the Brown case, it does apply. And your whites have no clue statement is utterly ignorant.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,594
    edited December 2014
    callen said:

    You Haves are the product of your environment. As was mike Brown. Your not special with special reasoning powers your just fucking lucky.

    So now rather than bash the ignorance and throw out more hate do something positive. Be nice to your fellow human.

    Whites have no clue.

    Whites have no clue? Someone who condemns a convenience store robbery is a "have"? Frankly, that is bullshit.

    There are plenty of whites who commit crimes and plenty of blacks who do not. This was never about race. It was about the dynamic between criminal and cop. Michael Brown committed a criminal act minutes before his death. That was no ones fault but his own.

    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    I didn't even click on the link. I could care less if it applied to this case. When it pertains to the Brown case, it does apply. And your whites have no clue statement is utterly ignorant.
    Like a lot of posts on here you fail to read who actually posts what. You may want to take a second look.

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,288
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    imalive said:

    When a cop tells you to do something, comply. Chances are, you won't get shot.

    I know that within every scenario there are different variables, people, mindsets.

    But yes...this makes much sense. Common sense.

    Last year I got pulled over for expired tags. I was surprised when the officer told me to keep my hands in plain sight (didn't feel I was a threat), but fuck me if I didn't comply. Why wouldn't I?

    Very polite and professional fellow, by the way.

    Personally, when I get pulled over I put both hands on the wheel as the officer approaches the car. It should tell a cop right from the start that I'm not a threat. (Not that you did any thing wrong btw, but in my opinion it's a good way to start the interaction...... You know, rather than saying something like "f what you have to say" and punching him in the side of the head. More often than not, that doesn't end well. Somehow people on this thread are still struggling with the idea that assaulting a police officer is a pretty major offense.)
    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    muskydan said:

    That was a great movie and song, I would be honored. As I have said a few times already, the truth hurts, nobody ever wants to hear truth, especially in my business…all we want is the truth right??? Why is it that some people cannot handle opinions that are the complete opposite of others on here?? Isn't that what this country and PJ music is all about? I have been entertained daily by many posts on here.

    Actually, I like your posts.

    You and I should get together this weekend and have a few drinks. Then we can go out and hang out at Food for Less.

    We can keep track of how many assholes pay with their link card.
    Then drive away in their $30,000 car.

    Hahaha

    first drink in a bag is on me
    Did you read about the 5 rascals in St. Louis who beat the Bosnian guy with hammers?
    Beat him to death.

    Was that a hate crime?
    Hmmmm
    and how come that crime gets nowhere near the attention as the police officer who was doing his job?

    Hate crime or not, thats a major false equivalency, civilian on civilian crime is not the same as an incident involving an agent of the government paid to protect.
    Fox news has been harping on this, riling their racist fan base, which is their prerogative, but the two cases are wholly unrelated and not worth comparing.
    You are correct. They cannot be compared.

    One is a senseless crime, while the other is an act of self defence where an unruly criminal attacked an armed officer of the law and met his end as a result.
    I don't disagree with this... All the more reason not to race-rile over it, while being a hypocrite and condemning Jackson and Sharpton.
    I don't understand how a person could come to the defense of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Those two are the dregs of humanity.
    Tell us how you really feel! I wonder what descriptors you save for rapists, murderers, and molesters. You may not agree with them, but these dregs have dedicated their lives to helping the underprivileged (though they certainly can be criticized for profiting as well). Jesse Jackson worked for Mr. King and was part of the marches from Selma to Montgomery for civil rights. What have YOU done with your life that makes you so far above these men who have donated thousands upon thousands of dollars and efforts to civil rights?
    For the record, I wasn't defending them, only pointing out the hypocrisy of folks (you included?) who run with those idiotic fox newsers.
    Playbook attacks on "high profile" political African Americans throughout history.
    First...smear with infidelity
    Second...label profiteers





  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    dignin said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    I didn't even click on the link. I could care less if it applied to this case. When it pertains to the Brown case, it does apply. And your whites have no clue statement is utterly ignorant.
    Like a lot of posts on here you fail to read who actually posts what. You may want to take a second look.

    I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. If you want to point out ignorance, fine. But whites are ignorant? Fuck that.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    dignin said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    I didn't even click on the link. I could care less if it applied to this case. When it pertains to the Brown case, it does apply. And your whites have no clue statement is utterly ignorant.
    Like a lot of posts on here you fail to read who actually posts what. You may want to take a second look.

    I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. If you want to point out ignorance, fine. But whites are ignorant? Fuck that.

    Gern didn't make the post you are referring too.
  • wall232
    wall232 New York Posts: 1,346

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    Yes it does. If he complied with the officers instead of saying that this ends today and not letting them arrest him he would still be alive.

    Don't take this as me siding with the police in this case, I think what happened over selling lose cigarettes is ridiculous and the fact that EMS did nothing to even try and save him is horrendous.
    NYPJ
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    You Haves are the product of your environment. As was mike Brown. Your not special with special reasoning powers your just fucking lucky.

    So now rather than bash the ignorance and throw out more hate do something positive. Be nice to your fellow human.

    Whites have no clue.

    Whites have no clue? Someone who condemns a convenience store robbery is a "have"? Frankly, that is bullshit.

    There are plenty of whites who commit crimes and plenty of blacks who do not. This was never about race. It was about the dynamic between criminal and cop. Michael Brown committed a criminal act minutes before his death. That was no ones fault but his own.

    Thanks, JimmyV.

    And Jason, that was perfect - made me :D
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,594
    dignin said:

    dignin said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    I didn't even click on the link. I could care less if it applied to this case. When it pertains to the Brown case, it does apply. And your whites have no clue statement is utterly ignorant.
    Like a lot of posts on here you fail to read who actually posts what. You may want to take a second look.

    I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. If you want to point out ignorance, fine. But whites are ignorant? Fuck that.

    Gern didn't make the post you are referring too.
    Not really his fault with the many D.B. Cooper profile pics floating around these days.

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I know who I was responding to. Dignin replied to my post. I replied to him/her. Sorry I should probably know that. Having 10 quotes in a response does add to the confusion though.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    HAHAHAHAHA. America

    Where a police officer can break his profession's policies, choke someone to death on video, the death is ruled a homicide and he is not be taken to trail.

    Only in America, folks.

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2014
    Cop chokes man to death ruled a homicide, no indictment
    The recorder ramsay orta weeks later indicted on guns charges

    random acts of linking
    this is where i would post random links without prejudicing the reader with my comments about when the police issue a statement in 2012 and 2014 warning against choke holds, or how the orta charges were trumped up in retaliation for releasing the recording and so on...but i wont.
    (or the officers laundry list abuse file)
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,129

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    I didn't even click on the link. I could care less if it applied to this case. When it pertains to the Brown case, it does apply. And your whites have no clue statement is utterly ignorant.
    You should click on the link. Black man killed by white cop for basically nothing.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2014
    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    You Haves are the product of your environment. As was mike Brown. Your not special with special reasoning powers your just fucking lucky.

    So now rather than bash the ignorance and throw out more hate do something positive. Be nice to your fellow human.

    Whites have no clue.

    Whites have no clue? Someone who condemns a convenience store robbery is a "have"? Frankly, that is bullshit.

    There are plenty of whites who commit crimes and plenty of blacks who do not. This was never about race. It was about the dynamic between criminal and cop. Michael Brown committed a criminal act minutes before his death. That was no ones fault but his own.

    We are all the product of our environment. Mike Brown had shitty environment. Not an excuse it just is what it is.

    I've written on this thread he fked up. He caused much of what happened but why did he act like he did ? Product of his environment that includes white know it alls. ( not directing at you btw).

    And whites on this board haven't a clue how fked up it is to be born into poverty , black male to ignorant parents with shitty schools and little hope. You'd be pissed off as well.

    Easy to sit behind computer and judge.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2014
    Edit

    Post edited by callen on
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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited December 2014

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment

    Does the "if he would have done what the cop told him he would be alive" argument apply to this case as well?

    When is the real issue going to be addressed? How many more police officers will get away with murder? It must be true, police can not get indicted. The good 'ol USA.

    This case is proof that cameras won't change a damn thing. The officer was RECORDED using an illegal move to kill a man, and still won't be charged. Only in 'Merica.
    Post edited by backseatLover12 on
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,129
    Chris Rock said something the other day regarding how his mother used to have to drink from a separate water fountain...he said something to the effect of "that wasn't something I heard from my friend's cousin's uncle...it was my mom"
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