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Just checked on the Pono website community to see if there was any mention but that article is older than that site being set up so it isn't discussed. Interesting though, has the author posted something since now the player's exist and have been used?2-feign-reluctance said:http://www.cnet.com/news/sound-bite-despite-ponos-promise-experts-pan-hd-audio/
For those that are curious...a good read.
Personally I'd been waiting for Pono to finally upgrade to a digital player, having drunk the Neil Young kool-aid probably, and am really happy to have by far the best sounding music I've heard with the normal $25 headphones I use.0 -
Nice.... can't wait to pick mine up.Kev - Coat and Keys said:
Just checked on the Pono website community to see if there was any mention but that article is older than that site being set up so it isn't discussed. Interesting though, has the author posted something since now the player's exist and have been used?2-feign-reluctance said:http://www.cnet.com/news/sound-bite-despite-ponos-promise-experts-pan-hd-audio/
For those that are curious...a good read.
Personally I'd been waiting for Pono to finally upgrade to a digital player, having drunk the Neil Young kool-aid probably, and am really happy to have by far the best sounding music I've heard with the normal $25 headphones I use.
You had me cracking up in the other thread.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
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FYI... CD's are digitized2-feign-reluctance said:I simply look at it this way. This thing is marketed towards kids. The ones who grew up on and still listen to shitty mp3s - and for those that exclusively use their phones and crap computer speakers for their playback. For us audio nerds, there isn't much of an upgrade since some of us grew up listening to analog recordings, tapes and CDs, which were not digitized in playback formats.
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Yes, I know. I'm taking about the playback format. FLAC, mp3, etc., etc.,KV4053 said:
FYI... CD's are digitized2-feign-reluctance said:I simply look at it this way. This thing is marketed towards kids. The ones who grew up on and still listen to shitty mp3s - and for those that exclusively use their phones and crap computer speakers for their playback. For us audio nerds, there isn't much of an upgrade since some of us grew up listening to analog recordings, tapes and CDs, which were not digitized in playback formats.
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I think if kids are the target market this thing will be a colossal failure. Like you mentioned... Kids have grown up on mp3's and listening to music on the computer. They've also grown up on 99 cent songs and downloading music for free. They like playing Angry Birds for free. I don't see many kids deciding that they need to buy a $400 device and start paying $20 plus for an entire album when all they want is one or two songs.2-feign-reluctance said:I simply look at it this way. This thing is marketed towards kids. The ones who grew up on and still listen to shitty mp3s - and for those that exclusively use their phones and crap computer speakers for their playback. For us audio nerds, there isn't much of an upgrade since some of us grew up listening to analog recordings, tapes and CDs, which were not digitized in playback formats.
To me... this thing is clearly marketed towards people in their 30s and up who have been exposed to analog recordings in the past and have the disposable income to pay for the luxury of HD music.
I think aiming this thing at kids would be a mega failure.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
I'm guessing when they came out with this they figured if ppl are willing to pay $200-$300 for headphones, spending that on a superior playback device would be easy.
Only issue will be the amount it costs to actually buy the albums for it."Born on third, thinks he got a triple."0 -
Yeah. I fit your description except maybe the disposable income parton2legs said:
I think if kids are the target market this thing will be a colossal failure. Like you mentioned... Kids have grown up on mp3's and listening to music on the computer. They've also grown up on 99 cent songs and downloading music for free. They like playing Angry Birds for free. I don't see many kids deciding that they need to buy a $400 device and start paying $20 plus for an entire album when all they want is one or two songs.2-feign-reluctance said:I simply look at it this way. This thing is marketed towards kids. The ones who grew up on and still listen to shitty mp3s - and for those that exclusively use their phones and crap computer speakers for their playback. For us audio nerds, there isn't much of an upgrade since some of us grew up listening to analog recordings, tapes and CDs, which were not digitized in playback formats.
To me... this thing is clearly marketed towards people in their 30s and up who have been exposed to analog recordings in the past and have the disposable income to pay for the luxury of HD music.
I think aiming this thing at kids would be a mega failure.
I threw down because I have never owned an IPOD
and was waiting on something that could play FLAC.
afraid that targeting the youngsters will fall flat....
as for disposable income...
just checked the Bay and two NY PONOs sold for over $1100.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
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I read that article when it was published. It didn't have any impact. For me the argument whether or not to fund this was always, "Here is a digital music player for $300 with better components than an ipod or cellphone that can easily handle any file type and has expandable memory."
Either that appeals to you or it doesn't. Pono's marketing or those disputing their claims don't really need to enter the debate.0 -
I think if you are an uber Pearl Jam collector buying the PJ signature model was a good move if you can spare the cash.
If you are looking for a portable player capable of playing high quality digital files, I would wait for a later generation of these players. They will surely improve the design and portability in the next couple years.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0 -
It is gonna be marketed for audiophiles and I assume 30 somethings will be the youngest users.
Probably more from the Hippie generation who have spare money because they had to become lawyers, doctors and whatnot after having all those Free Love kids.
Surely Pono will be ineffective with the way modern music is recorded anyway and the point is if there is enough demand older music will get released in a digital format currently unavailable that is far better than how we can currently hear it?0 -
I missed out on the original kickstarted preorder. My Cowon S9 recent lost another button so I've ordered a Fiio X3 to replace it. It was about $170 bucks. It has a high quality DAC, comes with 8gb's internal memory and a microsd slot that can fit a 64gb card (so 72gb's total). It can play both FLAC and HD FLAC formats (and the usual mp3, m4a etc..)
I'd be curious to know how much better then PONO is that this thing. Fiio has a higher end model (the x5) that's an extra $150.. the reviews are mixed as to which device actually has better sound quality.
The Pono at full price seems pretty expensive (400 USD). That would be around $450cdn plus someone posted that they had to pay about $95 in duties to import theres, so your looking at $550 cdn... ouch!
The main selling point of a high quality DAP (digital audio player) is the quality of the DAC. You don't need high res files (HD FLAC) to benefit from a kickass DAC (the technology that converts digital data to analog sound). You don't really have to rebuy our catalog to take advantage of a better DAC. It will make standard CD quality FLAC sound much better too.
DAC's in Smartphones (which is how all the kids listen to music) are generally mediocre, so it's going to be easy for the Pono to out perform smartphones. My question is how much better will a PONO sound compared to the other high quality DAP devices out there that can be bought for much less money? The audiophile market is still a niche market. Is the PONO's quality going to be so good it's worth the sticker price... that's what i'm wondering.0 -
But your FIIO doesn't say Pearl Jam or had bad facsimile autographs on it....Zod said:I missed out on the original kickstarted preorder. My Cowon S9 recent lost another button so I've ordered a Fiio X3 to replace it. It was about $170 bucks. It has a high quality DAC, comes with 8gb's internal memory and a microsd slot that can fit a 64gb card (so 72gb's total). It can play both FLAC and HD FLAC formats (and the usual mp3, m4a etc..)
I'd be curious to know how much better then PONO is that this thing. Fiio has a higher end model (the x5) that's an extra $150.. the reviews are mixed as to which device actually has better sound quality.
The Pono at full price seems pretty expensive (400 USD). That would be around $450cdn plus someone posted that they had to pay about $95 in duties to import theres, so your looking at $550 cdn... ouch!
The main selling point of a high quality DAP (digital audio player) is the quality of the DAC. You don't need high res files (HD FLAC) to benefit from a kickass DAC (the technology that converts digital data to analog sound). You don't really have to rebuy our catalog to take advantage of a better DAC. It will make standard CD quality FLAC sound much better too.
DAC's in Smartphones (which is how all the kids listen to music) are generally mediocre, so it's going to be easy for the Pono to out perform smartphones. My question is how much better will a PONO sound compared to the other high quality DAP devices out there that can be bought for much less money? The audiophile market is still a niche market. Is the PONO's quality going to be so good it's worth the sticker price... that's what i'm wondering.0 -
Hopefully this push towards Hi-res music will also push towards better mastering processes. Making something more loud, and taking away from the overall dynamic range is not good...even if its 24 bit.0
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Thanks Man - I was getting too frustrated by some people. I keep forgetting the music isn't the important thing for everyone. Fortunately it is for a lot of us.lolobugg said:
Nice.... can't wait to pick mine up.
You had me cracking up in the other thread.
Yes, that is it. The more Hi-Res players and users, will lead to more HI-Res being bought and so more will be available. I hope.MedozK said:Hopefully this push towards Hi-res music will also push towards better mastering processes. Making something more loud, and taking away from the overall dynamic range is not good...even if its 24 bit.
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I find the PJ collector mentality a little weird. I mean I buy my share of merch but I would never buy a sticker because it has "PJ" on it. I think some people bought these just for the autographs.Kev - Coat and Keys said:
Thanks Man - I was getting too frustrated by some people. I keep forgetting the music isn't the important thing for everyone. Fortunately it is for a lot of us.lolobugg said:
Nice.... can't wait to pick mine up.
You had me cracking up in the other thread.
Yes, that is it. The more Hi-Res players and users, will lead to more HI-Res being bought and so more will be available. I hope.MedozK said:Hopefully this push towards Hi-res music will also push towards better mastering processes. Making something more loud, and taking away from the overall dynamic range is not good...even if its 24 bit.
and also I am hoping to see HD music get popular and hopefully drive some of these prices down. In some cases they are charging the same as the physical product. SACD, vinyl, etc.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
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2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
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2010- Bristow, VA
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2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
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2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
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lolobugg said:
They can break it down all they want in to technical terms.
I know what I hear when I put a vinyl record on vs. the CD version.
listen to NY and Crazy Horse.. Live Rust on both formats and then they can shove their sine wave science up their rear-end.
Hope that PONO captures that for digital.) Well said. I too trust my own ears more than any article blabbing about the science of audio formats! Vinyl rules the roost as far my eardrums are concerned.
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That was my feeling too. I'm going to wait until the second generation at least, and until they are $200 (hopefully by then they will have done away with the stupid triangle design).on2legs said:I think if you are an uber Pearl Jam collector buying the PJ signature model was a good move if you can spare the cash.
If you are looking for a portable player capable of playing high quality digital files, I would wait for a later generation of these players. They will surely improve the design and portability in the next couple years.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
As much as I have heard negative about the appearence...I kinda like it..hope it sounds great and comes down in price. I would gladly pay $200 for a high quality Digital Audio Player.0 -
I like how it looks. I just don't like how it carries. I can't put that thing in my pocket.MedozK said:
As much as I have heard negative about the appearence...I kinda like it..hope it sounds great and comes down in price. I would gladly pay $200 for a high quality Digital Audio Player.
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I actually love the design. I think it's going to look awesome on my desk and since I don't plan on using it at the gym or anything, pocket comfort isn't really a big deal. I believe them when they say they couldn't smash all the components into something flat and I think the triangle is a great compromise that sits and displays perfectly.MedozK said:
As much as I have heard negative about the appearence...I kinda like it..hope it sounds great and comes down in price. I would gladly pay $200 for a high quality Digital Audio Player.0
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