The Detroit Free Press Building!!!

Empty Glass · October 2014

hedonist said:
Empty Glass, I've read many of your posts here but don't think I knew you are a vet (thank you). My dad was as well, in WWII. As a German-born man who became an American citizen before entering battle, he held the US flag close to him. What it meant. The one he had in his possession when the war was over was the same one we hung every Memorial Day, Veterans Day, even on some of the Jewish holidays.

I always helped him fold it and learned early on the solemnity both the item and the ritual merited.

To not appreciate its value is one thing, but to mock or minimize its importance to others is completely different.

Hats off to anyone who served in WWII. America's greatest generation for sure. I can certainly raise a toast to your father this evening.

hedonist · October 2014

Thank you, sir. I'll do the same to you on my and my father's behalf.

Big Bank Hank · October 2014

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Big Bank Hank said:

a stupid flag won't mean shit when we are all dead someday

like Eddie said in Severed Hand and why there is no point in worrying about BS

Big Bank

I think after making comments like this it's time for you to depart from this thread.
There is nothing that you can say, do, post your way out of it.
Please do not continue in this thread.
I stand behind everything I said, no need to try to back out of it, I believe in the human spirit far more than symbolism, and obviously some people hold symbolism in higher regard, more power to you, see where that gets you when your life is said and done, because your spiritual growth is all you are taking with you, I have lived a lot of life to get to this point, I evolved beyond that stuff a long time ago, country will never be greater than love, but I will let you all pine for new flags in the ghetto so they can be reminded how the US government doesn't give a shit about them, that is reality, whether you choose to see it or not, so I will let you have this thread because it is starting to sound far too much like Fox News for me

Empty Glass · October 2014

Big Bank Hank said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Big Bank Hank said:

a stupid flag won't mean shit when we are all dead someday

like Eddie said in Severed Hand and why there is no point in worrying about BS

Big Bank

I think after making comments like this it's time for you to depart from this thread.
There is nothing that you can say, do, post your way out of it.
Please do not continue in this thread.
I stand behind everything I said, no need to try to back out of it, I believe in the human spirit far more than symbolism, and obviously some people hold symbolism in higher regard, more power to you, see where that gets you when your life is said and done, because your spiritual growth is all you are taking with you, I have lived a lot of life to get to this point, I evolved beyond that stuff a long time ago, country will never be greater than love, but I will let you all pine for new flags in the ghetto so they can be reminded how the US government doesn't give a shit about them, that is reality, whether you choose to see it or not, so I will let you have this thread because it is starting to sound far too much like Fox News for me
I also believe in telling people to "go fuck themselves".

I'm also 100% against Fox News. Feel free to report me, it's your right.

hedonist · October 2014

Big Bank Hank said:
I stand behind everything I said, no need to try to back out of it, I believe in the human spirit far more than symbolism, and obviously some people hold symbolism in higher regard, more power to you, see where that gets you when your life is said and done, because your spiritual growth is all you are taking with you, I have lived a lot of life to get to this point, I evolved beyond that stuff a long time ago, country will never be greater than love, but I will let you all pine for new flags in the ghetto so they can be reminded how the US government doesn't give a shit about them, that is reality, whether you choose to see it or not, so I will let you have this thread because it is starting to sound far too much like Fox News for me

See...it's the taking digs bullshit. I'm open to get where other people are coming from, but nuggets such as "see where it gets you"..."pine for new flags"...and of course the big guns - "Fox News"...just doesn't foster actual discussion (assuming that's the goal).

My/our points went above your head or maybe you choose not to shift your gaze a bit?

Anyway, have a great evening, and good wishes on your (hopefully continued?) evolving.

Big Bank Hank · October 2014

and if you think that troops which I do support, are sent over to the middle east for peace, that is not true, it is to make corporate interests who get the government contracts more money, same reason that the EPA allows water fluoridation even though Fluoride is more toxic than lead, the same reason that the government allows our food to have toxic stuff in it that the rest of the world won't even eat, without proper testing, America is owned by the corporations they own the RNC, the DNC all the oversight committees and the Television networks, the American flag is just basically like a corporate logo now, and worst thing of all when these troops come back all fucked up they don't want to provide proper medical treatment and try whatever they can to not pay them their full benefits, that is the America we live in. I support the troops, but really that is one of the few things left in America and all that flag represents that I do support, the government has used the troops as a PR move and getting people whipped up into all this patriotic fervor while their evil and deception goes on behind the scenes. Here is the topper of all, this wasn't even our country we stole it and committed atrocities against it inhabitants and the environment which they managed to keep pristine for thousands of years, so I ask again what does the flag really mean? half the people here don't even bother to vote, that should tell you all you need to know

on2legs · October 2014

Hank... why are you deliberately antagonizing people?

Your posts are rude and insulting and have no place here.

If you want a political debate follow the forum rules and take it to the moving train board. This is not the right forum.

deadhead365 · October 2014

Thanks for the support guys. I think it should be stressed too that this is not a poor persons dwelling. This is the Detroit Free Press building that happens to be at the foot of the starting line for the weekend's big marathon being covered by the local news. It's certainly very easy to diminish it's significance and say there's a lot of other important things to worry about. Or simply laugh it off and just say who the fuck cares? That is certainly an attitude reflected by many in this city. But I see it as a great opportunity for a proud American, a proud Detroiter to stand strong and make a change for the better. To say we deserve better and I will do something about it. It could be a small victory that inspires others.

Besides, what's wrong with having respect and honor for one's country and city?

shortstack · October 2014

it's just really windy downtown and the flags get all torn up and stuff.

Big Bank Hank · October 2014

on2legs said:
Hank... why are you deliberately antagonizing people?

Your posts are rude and insulting and have no place here.

If you want a political debate follow the forum rules and take it to the moving train board. This is not the right forum.

rude and insulting hardly, only if you allow yourself to be insulted, what are we 4 years old "sticks and stones will break my bones and names will never hurt me" apparently someone missed the memo, as free thinkers which I hope we all are, you should be able to rise above it because there is far more important stuff going on in life than worrying about someone's OPINION, yes it is just my opinion (which I am entitled to, thank you) on an internet message board, but thanks so much for your concern

RunIntoTheRain · October 2014

Good lord Hank! Mature people state their opinion without belittling the opinions of others. Enough of this already.

To the OP, glad you tried to do something about the flag.

hedonist · October 2014

Big Bank Hank said:

on2legs said:
Hank... why are you deliberately antagonizing people?

Your posts are rude and insulting and have no place here.

If you want a political debate follow the forum rules and take it to the moving train board. This is not the right forum.
rude and insulting hardly, only if you allow yourself to be insulted, what are we 4 years old "sticks and stones will break my bones and names will never hurt me" apparently someone missed the memo, as free thinkers which I hope we all are, you should be able to rise above it because there is far more important stuff going on in life than worrying about someone's OPINION, yes it is just my opinion (which I am entitled to, thank you) on an internet message board, but thanks so much for your concern

But this place IS about words. They have value, as much as the people and thoughts that propel them to this medium. How else do you get your opinions across here? How have you reacted to those with a different perspective than you in the past? I've seen them dismissed by you and others as "being negative".

Hmmm.

I'm not insulted, actually. I'm more flummoxed by the inability to re-think an approach to presenting a view.

Cheers again to the OP. Your intent and action are appreciated.

UnthoughtName · October 2014

I was just having fun with that silly post up top, but I do get where you're coming from.

If you look at the "Detroit Free Press" as a whole (not hole), who's job is it to maintain those flags? Maybe someone in the facilities department? A flag on the top of the building in your place of business is very easy to overlook. Just thinking about where I work, I can't even visualize where on the property the flagpole is located. Maybe the person/people in facilities drive in, park underground and never see the flags during their commute every day. Once inside they're dealing with office issues and the top of the building would maybe get overlooked if there's not a problem up there (leak, broken AC, etc.)

I think you were escorted off the property because of the way you went about addressing it. If you had sent an email or called and were put in contact with someone in the proper department, the end result would have been something more productive.

Do I believe that the flag should be respected? Absolutely. As mentioned above, there have been hundreds of thousands of men and women who have fought/served to protect America and the flag symbolizes that (amongst many, many other things).

I also believe that this may have been an oversight and having someone come in off the street and start going off about disrespect and failure in the community probably wouldn't go over well in someone's place of business.

Now that something has been said, we'll see what happens. If nothing changes then that is disrespectful. But I wouldn't be throwing that at them right off the bat. It really could have been an innocent oversight.

on2legs · October 2014

Hank... in the past it seems like you get some type of fulfillment out of creating turmoil and then you dramatically anounce that you are leaving the boards. You have done this multiple times.

Why not just skip the drama and make an effort to leave the politics to the pundits on tv? Stick to Pearl Jam.

hsohi · October 2014

Big Bank Hank said:

hedonist said:

yeah I am not trying to be mean but as someone who spent 5 years of my life on the south side of Chicago, I know first hand that the realities of life where the reality of "each day could be your last" rings true, but at the same time, many are trying and fighting with everything they have to to work their way out so they can move to the suburbs and don't have to look over their shoulder whenever they leave their house

Each day could be your last.....has nothing to do with the south side of Chicago. Due to accidents (eg car accidents), sudden death ( eg heart attack or stroke with no previous symptoms), accidental death ( eg falling off a ladder), disease, suicide, and homicides....any day could be your last.

When do you banish yourself back to Facebook Big Bank Hank? I don't think people were begging you to come back.

Big Bank Hank · October 2014

hsohi said:

Big Bank Hank said:

hedonist said:

yeah I am not trying to be mean but as someone who spent 5 years of my life on the south side of Chicago, I know first hand that the realities of life where the reality of "each day could be your last" rings true, but at the same time, many are trying and fighting with everything they have to to work their way out so they can move to the suburbs and don't have to look over their shoulder whenever they leave their house
Each day could be your last.....has nothing to do with the south side of Chicago. Due to accidents (eg car accidents), sudden death ( eg heart attack or stroke with no previous symptoms), accidental death ( eg falling off a ladder), disease, suicide, and homicides....any day could be your last.

When do you banish yourself back to Facebook Big Bank Hank? I don't think people were begging you to come back.

true, unfortunately many don't live their lives with that in mind, until they are faced to confront it, when that does happen you see what really matters

hedonist · October 2014

To be fair, I've got no personal Big Bank Hank beef. Genuine welcoming from here of all different views. Maybe I'm selfish (ok, no maybe about it) in that I want and need to see, hear, understand the other side.

If in the end I don't agree, so be it. To be a ___ in the process is pointless. Guess that's the beef.

But I tried, didn't I? Goddamnit, at least I did that.

Big Bank Hank · October 2014

hedonist said:
To be fair, I've got no personal Big Bank Hank beef. Genuine welcoming from here of all different views. Maybe I'm selfish (ok, no maybe about it) in that I want and need to see, hear, understand the other side.

If in the end I don't agree, so be it. To be a ____ in the process is pointless. Guess that's the beef.

But I tried, didn't I? Goddamnit, at least I did that.

yeah we just see the world differently, no big deal, with as much LSD and mushrooms I took when I was younger, really should not be surprising, not the end of the world or existence, and we think Pearl Jam fucking rules, so hey at least we have great taste in music

shecky · October 2014

deadhead365 said:
Thanks for the support guys. I think it should be stressed too that this is not a poor persons dwelling. This is the Detroit Free Press building that happens to be at the foot of the starting line for the weekend's big marathon being covered by the local news. It's certainly very easy to diminish it's significance and say there's a lot of other important things to worry about. Or simply laugh it off and just say who the fuck cares? That is certainly an attitude reflected by many in this city. But I see it as a great opportunity for a proud American, a proud Detroiter to stand strong and make a change for the better. To say we deserve better and I will do something about it. It could be a small victory that inspires others.

Besides, what's wrong with having respect and honor for one's country and city?

+100,000,000

hedonist · October 2014

Seeing, and how we communicate our sight, are two different things. All I hope for is a bit of grace and contemplation whether on the giving or getting end. To realize and acknowledge being off or unfair, speaks more than volumes about character.

The Detroit Free Press Building!!!

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