The Detroit Free Press Building!!!
deadhead365
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I flew into Detroit from Boston Thursday for the show. I was a trill to see PJ at the Joe. I had a great time and found some great spots in the city. During my stay I checked into the DoubleTree hotel on W. Lafayette Blvd. I have no complaints with the hotel, but the view from my room flipped my switch. The view from room 815 overlooked a parking lot adjacent to the Detroit Free Press building. I could see where they were setting up the starting line for the weekend's marathon. What was disturbing to me was the condition of the two American flags on top of opposite ends of the Detroit Free Press building. One of the flag pictures is now my profile pic if you want to see. That flag was the better condition of the two.
Now this was my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I saw the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking that building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
I myself tried to enter the building and get an explanation. An ushering out by the security is all that I found.
Now this was my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I saw the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking that building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
I myself tried to enter the building and get an explanation. An ushering out by the security is all that I found.
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As a symbol, it's sadly ironic that the state of those flags reflects the sad state of that area.
I get some don't respect it (not sure if only the American flag or flags in general, but whatever) - I do. Maybe it's weather or time-related? But agreed, either replace or remove them. Are they that expensive?0 -
Act One, Scene One:
Jason McCoy, the security guard at the Detroit Free Press is a mid-20's college drop out. He lives at home with his single mother and takes the 17a public bus to work every day. On Friday morning while he was sitting at his desk eating his turkey sandwich he was interrupted by a disheveled man at the buildings entrance.
Man approaches the desk Jason is sitting at
Jason: Good morning, sir. How may I help you.
Man: Well you could start by explaining how you can let those tattered flags fly.
Jason: Excuse me?
Man: This is my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I've seen the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking this building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
Jason swallows the rest of the turkey sandwich bite he had in his mout and stands up.
Jason: Sir...
Man: Yes?
Jason: Get the fuck out.
End Scene
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Not sure the point of this scene...? I can't tell if it's trying to illustrate that no one gives a fuck, or no one should give a fuck.UnthoughtName said:Act One, Scene One:
Jason McCoy, the security guard at the Detroit Free Press is a mid-20's college drop out. He lives at home with his single mother and takes the 17a public bus to work every day. On Friday morning while he was sitting at his desk eating his turkey sandwich he was interrupted by a disheveled man at the buildings entrance.
Man approaches the desk Jason is sitting at
Jason: Good morning, sir. How may I help you.
Man: Well you could start by explaining how you can let those tattered flags fly.
Jason: Excuse me?
Man: This is my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I've seen the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking this building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
Jason swallows the rest of the turkey sandwich bite he had in his mout and stands up.
Jason: Sir...
Man: Yes?
Jason: Get the fuck out.
End Scene0 -
I care and completely agree they need to be replaced0
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UnthoughtName said:
Act One, Scene One:
Jason McCoy, the security guard at the Detroit Free Press is a mid-20's college drop out. He lives at home with his single mother and takes the 17a public bus to work every day. On Friday morning while he was sitting at his desk eating his turkey sandwich he was interrupted by a disheveled man at the buildings entrance.
Man approaches the desk Jason is sitting at
Jason: Good morning, sir. How may I help you.
Man: Well you could start by explaining how you can let those tattered flags fly.
Jason: Excuse me?
Man: This is my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I've seen the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking this building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
Jason swallows the rest of the turkey sandwich bite he had in his mout and stands up.
Jason: Sir...
Man: Yes?
Jason: Get the fuck out.
End Scene
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
a stupid flag won't mean shit when we are all dead someday
like Eddie said in Severed Hand and why there is no point in worrying about BS
If I don't lose control
Explore and not explode
A preternatural other plane
With the power to maintain.
Like a tear in all we know
Once dissolved, we are free to grow
"What is human?,... What is more?"
I'll answer this
When I get home.
this shit is only temporary and never forget that shit, and how is this Pearl Jam related anyway?
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See first lines of the original post.Big Bank Hank said:this shit is only temporary and never forget that shit, and how is this Pearl Jam related anyway?
As said above, I understand that some don't respect the (any) flags. No worries, I get it, respect that view.
But to intentionally disrespect it? That I don't get.
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maybe when they are provided the basic necessities we take for granted, maybe they can put up some proper flags to keep some middle class tourists happy, I mean seriously when you live in a ghetto and you ain't got shit, do you really give a fuck? should you give a fuck? here's an idea go live in inner city Detroit for 3 months and see how much you give about the condition of a flag, they are just worried about survivalhedonist said:
See first lines of the original post.Big Bank Hank said:this shit is only temporary and never forget that shit, and how is this Pearl Jam related anyway?
As said above, I understand that some don't respect the (any) flags. No worries, I get it, respect that view.
But to intentionally disrespect it? That I don't get.0 -
Well you certainly told me!
I don't know whether anyone "should" give a fuck about anything - it's not my place to say - but it's not beyond the realm of possibility to be able to give a fuck.
To just be decent...civil? Might be too much to ask, I never know these days.
I appreciate that this spurred the OP to say something they feel is important...same like most of us here do.
(and I'm sure that philosophy has many PJ-related roots, if that helps at all
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yeah I am not trying to be mean but as someone who spent 5 years of my life on the south side of Chicago, I know first hand that the realities of life where the reality of "each day could be your last" rings true, but at the same time, many are trying and fighting with everything they have to to work their way out so they can move to the suburbs and don't have to look over their shoulder whenever they leave their househedonist said:Well you certainly told me!
I don't know whether anyone "should" give a fuck about anything - it's not my place to say - but it's not beyond the realm of possibility to be able to give a fuck.
To just be decent...civil? Might be too much to ask, I never know these days.
I appreciate that this spurred the OP to say something they feel is important...same like most of us here do.
(and I'm sure that philosophy has many PJ-related roots, if that helps at all )Post edited by Big Bank Hank on0 -
LOLUnthoughtName said:Act One, Scene One:
Jason McCoy, the security guard at the Detroit Free Press is a mid-20's college drop out. He lives at home with his single mother and takes the 17a public bus to work every day. On Friday morning while he was sitting at his desk eating his turkey sandwich he was interrupted by a disheveled man at the buildings entrance.
Man approaches the desk Jason is sitting at
Jason: Good morning, sir. How may I help you.
Man: Well you could start by explaining how you can let those tattered flags fly.
Jason: Excuse me?
Man: This is my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I've seen the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking this building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
Jason swallows the rest of the turkey sandwich bite he had in his mout and stands up.
Jason: Sir...
Man: Yes?
Jason: Get the fuck out.
End SceneHamilton 9-13-05; Toronto 5-9-06, Toronto 8-21-09, Toronto 9-12-11, Hamilton 9-15-11....0 -
Well sure, everything's relative. But that doesn't equate to tossing decency aside. Caring about shit.
Just not a fan of shitting on something for the sake of it or because of circumstance. There's always room for not being an asshole and trying to make a positive difference.0 -
Flags? We talkin' 'bout flags?!?! - Allen Iverson0
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sorry I can be abrasive but I am a nice guy, sorry if you feel shat uponhedonist said:Well sure, everything's relative. But that doesn't equate to tossing decency aside. Caring about shit.
Just not a fan of shitting on something for the sake of it or because of circumstance. There's always room for not being an asshole and trying to make a positive difference.0 -
I'm not American but I do think that flag should be replaced by a new one.deadhead365 said:I flew into Detroit from Boston Thursday for the show. I was a trill to see PJ at the Joe. I had a great time and found some great spots in the city. During my stay I checked into the DoubleTree hotel on W. Lafayette Blvd. I have no complaints with the hotel, but the view from my room flipped my switch. The view from room 815 overlooked a parking lot adjacent to the Detroit Free Press building. I could see where they were setting up the starting line for the weekend's marathon. What was disturbing to me was the condition of the two American flags on top of opposite ends of the Detroit Free Press building. One of the flag pictures is now my profile pic if you want to see. That flag was the better condition of the two.
Now this was my first visit to Detroit. I have heard all about the economic struggle that defines this city. After staying several days and exploring the city I saw the abandonment and neglect. But there is no excuse for the tattered ribbon flags flanking that building. If you can't afford new flags, that's fine. But take those down. It is disrespectful on many levels and a symbol to the failure of leadership in that community.
I myself tried to enter the building and get an explanation. An ushering out by the security is all that I found.0 -
Hey... Great post. I think it's awesome that you actually followed up and tried to get the matter rectified instead of just posting a complaint.1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0
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Myself shat upon? I said shitting on something, not someone. That was my point.Big Bank Hank said:
sorry I can be abrasive but I am a nice guy, sorry if you feel shat uponhedonist said:Well sure, everything's relative. But that doesn't equate to tossing decency aside. Caring about shit.
Just not a fan of shitting on something for the sake of it or because of circumstance. There's always room for not being an asshole and trying to make a positive difference.
My skin is thicker than that, so no offense taken here - no need for it.
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"A stupid flag won't mean shit...." As an Army Vet, go start another stupid fucking poll on a rock band site. We all know how important: poll your favorite song 3 is, will be when we're dead.Big Bank Hank said:Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
a stupid flag won't mean shit when we are all dead someday
like Eddie said in Severed Hand and why there is no point in worrying about BS
If I don't lose control
Explore and not explode
A preternatural other plane
With the power to maintain.
Like a tear in all we know
Once dissolved, we are free to grow
"What is human?,... What is more?"
I'll answer this
When I get home.
this shit is only temporary and never forget that shit, and how is this Pearl Jam related anyway?
I've met Rob
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Empty Glass, I've read many of your posts here but don't think I knew you are a vet (thank you). My dad was as well, in WWII. As a German-born man who became an American citizen before entering battle, he held the US flag close to him. What it meant. The one he had in his possession when the war was over was the same one we hung every Memorial Day, Veterans Day, even on some of the Jewish holidays.
I always helped him fold it and learned early on the solemnity both the item and the ritual merited.
To not appreciate its value is one thing, but to mock or minimize its importance to others is completely different.0 -
Big Bank Hank said:
a stupid flag won't mean shit when we are all dead someday
like Eddie said in Severed Hand and why there is no point in worrying about BS
Big Bank
I think after making comments like this it's time for you to depart from this thread.
There is nothing that you can say, do, post your way out of it.
Please do not continue in this thread.0
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