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dignin · July 2014

badbrains said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.

I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.

http://www.unrwa.org//newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

Hamas needs to stop this kind of shit. Does not help their cause.

badbrains · July 2014

Nite everyone......

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/my-jewish-mother-my-palestinian-father-and-family-torn-apart-260422.html

benjs · July 2014

badbrains said:
Nite everyone......

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/my-jewish-mother-my-palestinian-father-and-family-torn-apart-260422.html

So powerful, wow. Thanks for sharing this.

dignin · July 2014

badbrains said:
Nite everyone......

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/my-jewish-mother-my-palestinian-father-and-family-torn-apart-260422.html

Great writing. I also thank you for sharing.

Byrnzie · July 2014

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/22/israeli_writer_gideon_levy_if_netanyahu

Israeli Writer Gideon Levy: If Netanyahu Wants to Stop the Rockets, He Needs to Accept a Just Peace

AMY GOODMAN: Gideon Levy is with us from Tel Aviv, the Ha’aretz columnist and a member of the editorial board. You, Gideon Levy, in a piece, wrote that "Israel does not want peace." That was the headline. Why?

GIDEON LEVY: You just have to look at the record. I mean, sure, Israel wants peace. Israel just doesn’t want a just peace. And it’s all about justice. You look backwards, and you ask yourself: In which stage, in which moment, was Israel willing to give up the occupation? Give me one example in which there was a genuine readiness to put an end to the occupation. It was never there. It was all about gaining time and maintaining the status quo. And it’s also now about gaining time and maintaining the status quo—namely, the West Bank occupied, Gaza under siege, peaceful life in Israel. This formula cannot last forever. And I wish I’ll be wrong, but I cannot recall one example in which there was a genuine willingness to put an end to the occupation. This was never. There were all kind of—we had Oslo. We had other peace talks. But it was never there.

And if you want the most ultimate proof for it, it’s the settlements. Nobody is saying we’ll continue to build settlements if he has an intention to return those lands. But Israel never stopped building settlements. And as Israel never stopped building settlements, Israel said to the Palestinians and to the world, "I have no intention to give up this piece of land."

Byrnzie · July 2014

Some notable companies to boycott: Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein, GAP, Coca-Cola, L'Oreal, CNN, The Sun Newspaper, The Telegraph Newspaper, The Times Newspaper, Tommy Hilfiger, Sky TV, Dr Pepper, Caterpillar, Marks & Spencer, Arsenal Football Club

Byrnzie · July 2014

Norman Finkelstein - Democracy Now! Jul 18, 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpI7PPndtmQ

PhillyCrownOfThorns · July 2014

badbrains said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.

I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.

If you want condemnation over the 4 children killed on the beach, I will give it you. It's disgusting. And there is no excuse for it. I don't want to defend it and am not going to try.

However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple. And the Hamas sympathizers accept it. There is no accountability for Hamas whatsoever. None! In fact, like propaganda machines, you mock this idea like it was invented by a blonde foxnews reporter. But try and shoot it down like a jet landing at Ben Gurian, it's not helping the people of gaza or the end solution.

Hamas has literally accomplished nothing for the people that have elected them into power. Not a single thing. In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is pulling Israel into war to gain additional sympathy and an uneven prisoner swap. The have even managed to isolate their position even further as the Brotherhood has found easier lands in which to cause havoc and spend their resources.

I would ask people to boycott all things Hamas, but it would simply be to avoid buying a light green t-shirt at the GAP. Your list of companies is tremendous by the way... Rodger would be proud of you. I will lay down my Coke and drink water in solidarity with you!

rr165892 · July 2014

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

Byrnzie said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005
It's not difficult. I use a computer. I could easily find hundreds more such stories like the one of the 13 year old school girl being murdered in cold-blood. By the way, the Captain who emptied his entire clip into her was later promoted to the rank of Major.

Is he a hero of yours?

I try to look up to Mahmoud Al Zahar- Hamas founder:
"The day we expel them is drawing near... We extended our hands to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers. We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation."

Sweet guy.Hamas is no doubt trying to destabilize the peace process.I believe the P A and the Israelis do want a peace treaty but Hamas does not in good faith.They gamble with the lives and welfare of the population they should be protecting.

rr165892 · July 2014

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

badbrains said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.

I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.
If you want condemnation over the 4 children killed on the beach, I will give it you. It's disgusting. And there is no excuse for it. I don't want to defend it and am not going to try.

However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple. And the Hamas sympathizers accept it. There is no accountability for Hamas whatsoever. None! In fact, like propaganda machines, you mock this idea like it was invented by a blonde foxnews reporter. But try and shoot it down like a jet landing at Ben Gurian, it's not helping the people of gaza or the end solution.

Hamas has literally accomplished nothing for the people that have elected them into power. Not a single thing. In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is pulling Israel into war to gain additional sympathy and an uneven prisoner swap. The have even managed to isolate their position even further as the Brotherhood has found easier lands in which to cause havoc and spend their resources.

I would ask people to boycott all things Hamas, but it would simply be to avoid buying a light green t-shirt at the GAP. Your list of companies is tremendous by the way... Rodger would be proud of you. I will lay down my Coke and drink water in solidarity with you!

Your on point here Philly.I have been saying the same

Byrnzie · July 2014

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple.

No, people are dying for the same reason they've been dying for the past 47 years - Israel's insistence on crushing the Palestinians and stealing their land.

You can pretend that Palestinian resistance to occupation is the cause of the bloodshed, but any honest person can see what the real root cause is. Hamas only came into power in 1987, so what was your excuse for murdering Palestinian civilians before that?

Byrnzie · July 2014

rr165892 said:
Hamas is no doubt trying to destabilize the peace process.

Again, trying to turn reality on it's head. You want to learn something about the so-called 'peace process'? Then read this: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n16/henry-siegman/the-great-middle-east-peace-process-scam

rr165892 said:
I believe the P A and the Israelis do want a peace treaty but Hamas does not in good faith.

What you believe has zero relation to the reality, as evidenced by the historical record.

As Gideon Levy explained, and as you apparently refuse to acknowledge:

"You just have to look at the record. I mean, sure, Israel wants peace. Israel just doesn’t want a just peace. And it’s all about justice. You look backwards, and you ask yourself: In which stage, in which moment, was Israel willing to give up the occupation? Give me one example in which there was a genuine readiness to put an end to the occupation. It was never there. It was all about gaining time and maintaining the status quo. And it’s also now about gaining time and maintaining the status quo—namely, the West Bank occupied, Gaza under siege, peaceful life in Israel. This formula cannot last forever. And I wish I’ll be wrong, but I cannot recall one example in which there was a genuine willingness to put an end to the occupation. This was never. There were all kind of—we had Oslo. We had other peace talks. But it was never there."

PhillyCrownOfThorns · July 2014

Byrnzie said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple.
No, people are dying for the same reason they've been dying for the past 47 years - Israel's insistence on crushing the Palestinians and stealing their land.

You can pretend that Palestinian resistance to occupation is the cause of the bloodshed, but any honest person can see what the real root cause is. Hamas only came into power in 1987, so what was your excuse for murdering Palestinian civilians before that?

The PLO was a loving group of peace activists that dropped flowers from the sky in the hopes of peace with the sons of Abraham.

rr165892 · July 2014

And you can't be serious that Hamas is an honest peace broker here.Lets keep it fair B

benjs · July 2014

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

Byrnzie said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple.
No, people are dying for the same reason they've been dying for the past 47 years - Israel's insistence on crushing the Palestinians and stealing their land.

You can pretend that Palestinian resistance to occupation is the cause of the bloodshed, but any honest person can see what the real root cause is. Hamas only came into power in 1987, so what was your excuse for murdering Palestinian civilians before that?
The PLO was a loving group of peace activists that dropped flowers from the sky in the hopes of peace with the sons of Abraham.

Listen: the prevalent Palestinian perspective is that the Palestinian People are collectively an oppressed People. The premise is then that an oppressed People have a right to revolt against their oppressors in the name of equitability - which is a premise which I do not for a second disagree with. If I walk into your house, push you into your room, restrict what you can bring into it, and ignore your knocks and begging for assistance when you plead that you're hungry and want to live your life, do I have the right to complain when you kick a hole through the door and angrily so, longing for retribution?

Do I disagree with brutality? Yes, I do. Do I UNDERSTAND the brutality? Yes, I do. Do I agree with Israel's right to defend itself? Yes, I do. But this isn't hockey: the "best defense is a strong offense" is a mantra which ought to be reserved for team sports, and not political situations with lives on the line.

rr165892 · July 2014

benjs said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

Byrnzie said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple.
No, people are dying for the same reason they've been dying for the past 47 years - Israel's insistence on crushing the Palestinians and stealing their land.

You can pretend that Palestinian resistance to occupation is the cause of the bloodshed, but any honest person can see what the real root cause is. Hamas only came into power in 1987, so what was your excuse for murdering Palestinian civilians before that?
The PLO was a loving group of peace activists that dropped flowers from the sky in the hopes of peace with the sons of Abraham.
Listen: the prevalent Palestinian perspective is that the Palestinian People are collectively an oppressed People. The premise is then that an oppressed People have a right to revolt against their oppressors in the name of equitability - which is a premise which I do not for a second disagree with. If I walk into your house, push you into your room, restrict what you can bring into it, and ignore your knocks and begging for assistance when you plead that you're hungry and want to live your life, do I have the right to complain when you kick a hole through the door and angrily so, longing for retribution?

Do I disagree with brutality? Yes, I do. Do I UNDERSTAND the brutality? Yes, I do. Do I agree with Israel's right to defend itself? Yes, I do. But this isn't hockey: the "best defense is a strong offense" is a mantra which ought to be reserved for team sports, and not political situations with lives on the line.

With this though,disarming becomes the main objective ,so offensive action becomes crucial and necessary.How they do that can and should be debated and examined.But the right to disarm is equall to one sides security as pushing back against its aggressor is to the other

Byrnzie · July 2014

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

The PLO was a loving group of peace activists that dropped flowers from the sky in the hopes of peace with the sons of Abraham.

This, from an apologist of Israel.

47 years of illegal occupation and land-theft, and countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Yet he says it with a straight face.

Byrnzie · July 2014

rr165892 said:

With this though,disarming becomes the main objective ,so offensive action becomes crucial and necessary.How they do that can and should be debated and examined.But the right to disarm is equall to one sides security as pushing back against its aggressor is to the other

Bullshit. The only right of self-defense the Israeli's have is to withdraw to their legal borders, in line with international law.

Kat · July 2014

Again, how are we doing in here with this discussion? Being polite to each other while presenting thoughts on the issue? Speaking to each other as if face-to-face?

benjs · July 2014

Kat said:
Again, how are we doing in here with this discussion? Being polite to each other while presenting thoughts on the issue? Speaking to each other as if face-to-face?

Trying my best, Kat!

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