I understand, but I'm glad its on the main page. More eyes to see it and voices to weigh in.
Why can't it be on the main page of AMT instead?
Because it is about Eddie's speech. That's a Porch topic. People who just want to talk about Israel/Palestine in general should move their comments to AMT as per my suggestion in the very first post.
Since AMT has 4 threads already it seems like this is a hot topic among that crowd. The porch becomes diluted when the overspill from that crowd comes on.
If the discussion is related to Eddie and what he said, the thread should stay on the Porch. If it becomes another Israeli/Palestinian thread it should go to AMT.
Eddie Vedder didn't specifically name a country but many are inferring it was Israel during a speech near the homestretch of a Pearl Jam gig Friday night in Britain. The Jerusalem Post reports that in the YouTube clip the band was performing "Daughter" when Vedder launched into his speech.
"No more war, no more war,” Vedder sings about three minutes and forty seconds into the clip which the audience at the Milton Keynes National Bowl repeats. "So what the f--k? What the f--k?" Vedder says. “We can have this many people having a peaceful time. We can have modern technology. We can reach our friends. They know what they're thinking before they're thinking it. The advertisers know what we're thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology – all this in our hands.
"But at the same time that something this positive is happening, at the same f---king time, not even that far away...f---ing dropping bombs on each other. And I get, if war is the last resort, if they're coming on your soil I could get it, I get it, you don't wanna be in that situation. But I swear to f--king god, there's some people out there who are looking for a reason to kill," the famed American rocker said. "They're looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them and they should get the f---k out, and mind their own f--king business. Everyone wants the same goddamn thing."
Vedder then went into things people everywhere want: have lives, have children. work, eat, love, draw a painting, listening to music, procreate and love.
"Everyone's the f---king same, so why are people at war? Stop the f---king s--t now! Now! Now! Now! We don't want to give them our money. They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children. Now! No more! Now!” The singer then broke into Edwin Starr's signature "War" with the crowd singing along before ending the song on his knees.
The Jerusalem Post article added Israeli fans of the band have voiced their criticism of Vedder's comments, including Israeli disc jockey Ben Red of Israel radio station 88FM who earlier helped launch a campaign in early 2013 to bring Pearl Jam to play in the country.
"Eddie Vedder, your true face is finally being revealed," Red wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday afternoon (July 12). "You are invited not to come here. I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
Vedder's comments also resulted in a flurry of arguments in the comments area of the band's Facebook page between fans.
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Since AMT has 4 threads already it seems like this is a hot topic among that crowd. The porch becomes diluted when the overspill from that crowd comes on.
That crowd? Overspill?
Oy.
Many of "that crowd" cruise and participate in other parts of this entire site.
The nerve of us, I know!
Discussion's been mostly cool on the thread. How about leave it to the mods if there's a need to move this monster? Seems so far so good.
When I visit this thread, I just keep hearing Eddie singing (in the most caring yet frustrated tone): And fuck me if I say something you don't wanna hear, fuck me And fuck if you only hear what you wanna hear Fuck me if I care,... but I'm not leaving here
I dont get this repeat whole move the thread. to AMT forum .there are mods here and its their call what to do...like its HUGE problem not to read or ignore the thread..if someone dont care at topic dont open the thread...we are having a conversation about what the front man of the band on stage said ...his statement could be about war,about politics,about the wine,about bicycles or about kiwi the bird...
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I dont get this repeat whole move the thread. to AMT forum .there are mods here and its their call what to do...like its HUGE problem not to read or ignore the thread..if someone dont care at topic dont open the thread...we are having a conversation about what the front man of the band on stage said ...his statement could be about war,about politics,about the wine,about bicycles or about kiwi the bird...
Those other topics should be in All Encompassing Trip
I dont get this repeat whole move the thread. to AMT forum .there are mods here and its their call what to do...like its HUGE problem not to read or ignore the thread..if someone dont care at topic dont open the thread...we are having a conversation about what the front man of the band on stage said ...his statement could be about war,about politics,about the wine,about bicycles or about kiwi the bird...
It's sad that some people's first thoughts are "move it to AMT". There is a bigger picture here - War and that it should stop - but instead you have people moaning about the placement of a thread in a forum. Bigger things going on people.
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Neil Young and Crazy Horse have canceled their upcoming concert in Tel Aviv over security concerns as the military situation in Israel escalates. The single show scheduled for the country was set to take place on July 17th in Hayarkon Park. 20 Insanely Great Neil Young Songs Only Hardcore Fans Know
"It is with heavy hearts and deep sadness that we must cancel our one and only Israeli concert due to tensions which have rendered the event unsafe at this time," a representative for Young said in a statement. "We'll miss the opportunity to play for our fans and look forward to playing in Israel and Palestine in peace."
Though Young had faced pressure from activists and musicians, including Roger Waters, to boycott Israel because of its treatment of Palestinians, a police spokesman told Reuters that the show had been canceled by police "in order not to put people in Gaza rocket range at unnecessary risk." Some 30,000 people had purchased tickets to the show, which would have marked Young's first performance in Israel since the 1990s.
Young said that he will be making donations to the Louse Tillie Alpert Youth Music Center of Israel and Heartbeat, "two organizations that teach music to Palestinian and Israeli youth simultaneously by enabling them to play music together."
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The longer this "controversy" goes, the more surprised I am that anyone who loves this band would be surprised by what Eddie said.
Politics and religion. There is a reason you stay away from these topics at work and even with friends/family. You basically know each others' opinions but if you don't talk about them you get along, and when you do talk about them the arguing and hurt feelings start.
I am not sure if you are responding to my comment but I was just giving my answer to why I think people are mad even when they pretty much can guess Eddie's opinion based on history.
"I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
"I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
"I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
"I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
just to clarify, those are not my words. they were quoted from the article i posted.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
The longer this "controversy" goes, the more surprised I am that anyone who loves this band would be surprised by what Eddie said.
Politics and religion. There is a reason you stay away from these topics at work and even with friends/family. You basically know each others' opinions but if you don't talk about them you get along, and when you do talk about them the arguing and hurt feelings start.
Agreed. We all know what our drunk uncle and our hippie niece are going to say. When they say it we aren't taken by surprise. I think most of us who follow Pearl Jam know what Eddie Vedder is going to say on the topic of war. He has been saying similar things publicly for 20+ years. Yet many are surprised by this particular outburst.
"I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
So who is the real eddie vedder?
Will the real Eddie Vedder please stand up? Yes, you heard me right, sit back down, Mr. Crowe.
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Howard Stern ripped Ed today...as well as Dwight Howard, Rihanna....and " that guy" in Pink Floyd ( Roger Waters) who Howard kissed his ass a few months ago when he was on the show.
I love Howard, but his rush to judgement on this issue is a lil off-putting.
The one common theme I see here ( bury this in AMT,etc) and there( certain media outlets condemning opinions without knowing the true essence) is that a some people dont want any light shined upon certain issues...my question is why not? This is FASCISM at its best....you dont like someones opinion....why Vilify them in a way that makes any valid points you might have on a subject become null and void? Your credibility flys out the window...what is Ed's Agenda in this mess?? to see less people loss their lives?
I'm a little confused. Can someone explain to me why/how US tax money goes to Israel? Eddies said that he doesn't want tax money to go to bombs, and it seems like a lot of people here concludes that means the bombs that Israel are throwing. But why would USA pay for other countries bombs? ...sorry, i'm not from the US, so i don't know much about how you guys use your tax money....
I'm a little confused. Can someone explain to me why/how US tax money goes to Israel? Eddies said that he doesn't want tax money to go to bombs, and it seems like a lot of people here concludes that means the bombs that Israel are throwing. But why would USA pay for other countries bombs? ...sorry, i'm not from the US, so i don't know much about how you guys use your tax money....
It is truly happening. I'm from the US but I couldn't begin to explain it because I don't remotely understand it. Maybe it made sense after 1967 or in the culture of the Cold War but it certainly doesn't make sense anymore.
I'm a little confused. Can someone explain to me why/how US tax money goes to Israel? Eddies said that he doesn't want tax money to go to bombs, and it seems like a lot of people here concludes that means the bombs that Israel are throwing. But why would USA pay for other countries bombs? ...sorry, i'm not from the US, so i don't know much about how you guys use your tax money....
The US gives Israel over $3 billion a year in military aid.
"“What the fuck? We have this many people having a peaceful time, we can have modern technology, we can reach our friends, they know what we’re thinking it. The advertisers know what we’re thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology, all of this in our hand. But at the same time as something this positive is happening, at the same fucking time, not even that far away, dropping bombs on each other. What the fucking fuck? And I get if war is the last resort, you don’t want to be in that situation. But I swear to fucking God, there are some people out there looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them. They should get the fuck out, and mind their own fucking business!
He added, “Eat, procreate, draw a painting, make some art, listen to music, fuck some more, have another baby, eat, work, eat, work, love, love, love. Everyone’s the fucking same, so why are people at war? Stop the fucking shit now! Now! Now! We don’t want to give them our money! They don’t get our taxes to drop bombs on children! No! No more!”"
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The porch becomes diluted when the overspill from that crowd comes on.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/14/eddie-vedder-pearl-jam-israel_n_5584893.html
Eddie Vedder didn't specifically name a country but many are inferring it was Israel during a speech near the homestretch of a Pearl Jam gig Friday night in Britain. The Jerusalem Post reports that in the YouTube clip the band was performing "Daughter" when Vedder launched into his speech.
"No more war, no more war,” Vedder sings about three minutes and forty seconds into the clip which the audience at the Milton Keynes National Bowl repeats. "So what the f--k? What the f--k?" Vedder says. “We can have this many people having a peaceful time. We can have modern technology. We can reach our friends. They know what they're thinking before they're thinking it. The advertisers know what we're thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology – all this in our hands.
"But at the same time that something this positive is happening, at the same f---king time, not even that far away...f---ing dropping bombs on each other. And I get, if war is the last resort, if they're coming on your soil I could get it, I get it, you don't wanna be in that situation. But I swear to f--king god, there's some people out there who are looking for a reason to kill," the famed American rocker said. "They're looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them and they should get the f---k out, and mind their own f--king business. Everyone wants the same goddamn thing."
Vedder then went into things people everywhere want: have lives, have children. work, eat, love, draw a painting, listening to music, procreate and love.
"Everyone's the f---king same, so why are people at war? Stop the f---king s--t now! Now! Now! Now! We don't want to give them our money. They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children. Now! No more! Now!” The singer then broke into Edwin Starr's signature "War" with the crowd singing along before ending the song on his knees.
The Jerusalem Post article added Israeli fans of the band have voiced their criticism of Vedder's comments, including Israeli disc jockey Ben Red of Israel radio station 88FM who earlier helped launch a campaign in early 2013 to bring Pearl Jam to play in the country.
"Eddie Vedder, your true face is finally being revealed," Red wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday afternoon (July 12). "You are invited not to come here. I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."
Vedder's comments also resulted in a flurry of arguments in the comments area of the band's Facebook page between fans.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Oy.
Many of "that crowd" cruise and participate in other parts of this entire site.
The nerve of us, I know!
Discussion's been mostly cool on the thread. How about leave it to the mods if there's a need to move this monster? Seems so far so good.
And BS, thank you for the laugh!
And fuck me if I say something you don't wanna hear, fuck me
And fuck if you only hear what you wanna hear
Fuck me if I care,... but I'm not leaving here
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Neil Young and Crazy Horse have canceled their upcoming concert in Tel Aviv over security concerns as the military situation in Israel escalates. The single show scheduled for the country was set to take place on July 17th in Hayarkon Park.
20 Insanely Great Neil Young Songs Only Hardcore Fans Know
"It is with heavy hearts and deep sadness that we must cancel our one and only Israeli concert due to tensions which have rendered the event unsafe at this time," a representative for Young said in a statement. "We'll miss the opportunity to play for our fans and look forward to playing in Israel and Palestine in peace."
Though Young had faced pressure from activists and musicians, including Roger Waters, to boycott Israel because of its treatment of Palestinians, a police spokesman told Reuters that the show had been canceled by police "in order not to put people in Gaza rocket range at unnecessary risk." Some 30,000 people had purchased tickets to the show, which would have marked Young's first performance in Israel since the 1990s.
Young said that he will be making donations to the Louse Tillie Alpert Youth Music Center of Israel and Heartbeat, "two organizations that teach music to Palestinian and Israeli youth simultaneously by enabling them to play music together."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Just love.
The alternative doesn't make sense.
Just love.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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I love Howard, but his rush to judgement on this issue is a lil off-putting.
The one common theme I see here ( bury this in AMT,etc) and there( certain media outlets condemning opinions without knowing the true essence) is that a some people dont want any light shined upon certain issues...my question is why not? This is FASCISM at its best....you dont like someones opinion....why Vilify them in a way that makes any valid points you might have on a subject become null and void? Your credibility flys out the window...what is Ed's Agenda in this mess?? to see less people loss their lives?
the world is truly insane
...sorry, i'm not from the US, so i don't know much about how you guys use your tax money....
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
thanks "JimmyV" and "fuck"....
i still don't understand why, but that is a lot of money!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."