Jerusalem Post/Ben Red Completely Off Base In Criticism of Eddie and Pearl Jam

JimmyV

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

JimmyV said:

I understand, but I'm glad its on the main page. More eyes to see it and voices to weigh in.

Why can't it be on the main page of AMT instead?

It could be, sure. I just don't think AMT is as heavily trafficked. Of course, that's probably the point.

PJfanwillneverleave1

JimmyV said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

JimmyV said:

I understand, but I'm glad its on the main page. More eyes to see it and voices to weigh in.

Why can't it be on the main page of AMT instead?

It could be, sure. I just don't think AMT is as heavily trafficked. Of course, that's probably the point.

I think AMT would be filled with people once this thread got moved there

badbrains

CM189191 said:

I would like to see people stop killing each other with my tax dollars. If Hobby Lobby doesn't have to pay for birth control because it goes against their belief system, does that mean I don't have to pay for war against my better wishes anymore?

Valed question CM. But we all know the answer to that lol

CM189191

badbrains said:

CM189191 said:

I would like to see people stop killing each other with my tax dollars. If Hobby Lobby doesn't have to pay for birth control because it goes against their belief system, does that mean I don't have to pay for war against my better wishes anymore?

Valed question CM. But we all know the answer to that lol

One example: The $400 billion program to create a fleet of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets, which is seven years behind schedule, plagued with misfortunes and incompetencies; could have housed every homeless person in the U.S. with a $600,000 home.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/09/3458101/f35-boondoggle-fail/

PJfanwillneverleave1

CM189191 said:

badbrains said:

CM189191 said:

I would like to see people stop killing each other with my tax dollars. If Hobby Lobby doesn't have to pay for birth control because it goes against their belief system, does that mean I don't have to pay for war against my better wishes anymore?

Valed question CM. But we all know the answer to that lol

One example: The $400 billion program to create a fleet of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets, which is seven years behind schedule, plagued with misfortunes and incompetencies; could have housed every homeless person in the U.S. with a $600,000 home.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/09/3458101/f35-boondoggle-fail/

Ok, so zero of these comments have to do with Pearl Jam. This thread should be moved to AMT.

gimmesometruth27

why should it be moved to amt? you can see the thread title. you don't have to read it or comment on it.

this story is making american news sites now. it concerns us all. might has well keep it here where more people can see it.

the american media is decidedly pro-israel. it is good that people on here can learn much more about the conflict in this thread.

the worst form of ignorance is willful ignorance.

Last-12-Exit

Keep it here. AMT already has 4 Israeli/Palestinian threads.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Last-12-Exit said:

Keep it here. AMT already has 4 Israeli/Palestinian threads.

so now we have to flood the porch too?

gimmesometruth27

how is one thread "flooding the porch"?

gimmesometruth27

that is an honest and serious question by the way.

BS44325

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

JimmyV said:

I understand, but I'm glad its on the main page. More eyes to see it and voices to weigh in.

Why can't it be on the main page of AMT instead?

Because it is about Eddie's speech. That's a Porch topic. People who just want to talk about Israel/Palestine in general should move their comments to AMT as per my suggestion in the very first post.

PJfanwillneverleave1

gimmesometruth27 said:

how is one thread "flooding the porch"?

Since AMT has 4 threads already it seems like this is a hot topic among that crowd.
The porch becomes diluted when the overspill from that crowd comes on.

JimmyV

If the discussion is related to Eddie and what he said, the thread should stay on the Porch. If it becomes another Israeli/Palestinian thread it should go to AMT.

BS44325

Eddie's speech is essentially the plot to Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

gimmesometruth27

Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder's Anti-War Rant Causes Offense In Israel

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/14/eddie-vedder-pearl-jam-israel_n_5584893.html

Eddie Vedder didn't specifically name a country but many are inferring it was Israel during a speech near the homestretch of a Pearl Jam gig Friday night in Britain. The Jerusalem Post reports that in the YouTube clip the band was performing "Daughter" when Vedder launched into his speech.

"No more war, no more war,” Vedder sings about three minutes and forty seconds into the clip which the audience at the Milton Keynes National Bowl repeats. "So what the f--k? What the f--k?" Vedder says. “We can have this many people having a peaceful time. We can have modern technology. We can reach our friends. They know what they're thinking before they're thinking it. The advertisers know what we're thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology – all this in our hands.

"But at the same time that something this positive is happening, at the same f---king time, not even that far away...f---ing dropping bombs on each other. And I get, if war is the last resort, if they're coming on your soil I could get it, I get it, you don't wanna be in that situation. But I swear to f--king god, there's some people out there who are looking for a reason to kill," the famed American rocker said. "They're looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them and they should get the f---k out, and mind their own f--king business. Everyone wants the same goddamn thing."

Vedder then went into things people everywhere want: have lives, have children. work, eat, love, draw a painting, listening to music, procreate and love.

"Everyone's the f---king same, so why are people at war? Stop the f---king s--t now! Now! Now! Now! We don't want to give them our money. They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children. Now! No more! Now!” The singer then broke into Edwin Starr's signature "War" with the crowd singing along before ending the song on his knees.

The Jerusalem Post article added Israeli fans of the band have voiced their criticism of Vedder's comments, including Israeli disc jockey Ben Red of Israel radio station 88FM who earlier helped launch a campaign in early 2013 to bring Pearl Jam to play in the country.

"Eddie Vedder, your true face is finally being revealed," Red wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday afternoon (July 12). "You are invited not to come here. I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing (Pearl Jam) to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are."

Vedder's comments also resulted in a flurry of arguments in the comments area of the band's Facebook page between fans.

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

how is one thread "flooding the porch"?

Since AMT has 4 threads already it seems like this is a hot topic among that crowd.
The porch becomes diluted when the overspill from that crowd comes on.

That crowd? Overspill?

Oy.

Many of "that crowd" cruise and participate in other parts of this entire site.

The nerve of us, I know!


Discussion's been mostly cool on the thread. How about leave it to the mods if there's a need to move this monster? Seems so far so good.

And BS, thank you for the laugh!

melissachun

When I visit this thread, I just keep hearing Eddie singing (in the most caring yet frustrated tone):
And fuck me if I say something you don't wanna hear, fuck me
And fuck if you only hear what you wanna hear
Fuck me if I care,... but I'm not leaving here

dimitrispearljam

I dont get this repeat whole move the thread. to AMT forum .there are mods here and its their call what to do...like its HUGE problem not to read or ignore the thread..if someone dont care at topic dont open the thread...we are having a conversation about what the front man of the band on stage said ...his statement could be about war,about politics,about the wine,about bicycles or about kiwi the bird...

bootlegger10

dimitrispearljam said:

I dont get this repeat whole move the thread. to AMT forum .there are mods here and its their call what to do...like its HUGE problem not to read or ignore the thread..if someone dont care at topic dont open the thread...we are having a conversation about what the front man of the band on stage said ...his statement could be about war,about politics,about the wine,about bicycles or about kiwi the bird...

Those other topics should be in All Encompassing Trip

boyo79

dimitrispearljam said:

I dont get this repeat whole move the thread. to AMT forum .there are mods here and its their call what to do...like its HUGE problem not to read or ignore the thread..if someone dont care at topic dont open the thread...we are having a conversation about what the front man of the band on stage said ...his statement could be about war,about politics,about the wine,about bicycles or about kiwi the bird...

It's sad that some people's first thoughts are "move it to AMT". There is a bigger picture here - War and that it should stop - but instead you have people moaning about the placement of a thread in a forum. Bigger things going on people.