Jerusalem Post/Ben Red Completely Off Base In Criticism of Eddie and Pearl Jam

gimmesometruth27

SkeeterB said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

SkeeterB said:

lbpeltz said:

I never get the idea that EV is really informed on political issues. Maybe he's intentionally uninformed or underinformed, but to view him in any higher light than a pot smoking hippie yelling, "peace dude" is to do an injustice.

And being more tipsier than normal. Not sure what he did on the Europe tour, but by the end of the US tour, he was drinking 2-3 magnums of wine a night. The guy is like 5'5"...that's 4-6 bottles of wine a night. I don't think anyone could do that without being hammered. He seemed to have a lot when he went on the rant, which has led to a lot of tension amongst a fan base that really looks out for each other. Seems like there's a divide now in the fan base, albeit not a huge divide, but a divide. I don't recall this ever happening before, the divide in the fan base.

2003 following denver show. fans were divided way more than they are now. ed dared criticize bush. most americans couldn't care less what is happening in gaza. if they cared, they would care enough to investigate more than what the american media is telling them.

Fair point which came to a major head in Uniondale. Back then, it was a mistake in NY because it was still too soon after 9/11. I did not like Bush but he needed to let the NY'ers continue to heal. In a very roundabout way, at one of the Continental Arena shows in 2006, he sort of tried to make amends.

yes it was bad back then. the moving train was god awful. i spoke out against the war in iraq until i was blue in the face. i got told to get the f out of america many times back then.

turns out, i was right.

JimmyV

gimmesometruth27 said:

eldarion75 said:

and the american media are talking complete lies and showing footage of parents running from their burning homes holding their kids and portraying it as 'poor Israel' when it fact these images are from Gaza...ABC was caught red handed doing this and had to publicly apologise.

she knowingly passed that off as israelis running from palestinian missiles, when it was actually a palestinian family in gaza running from an israeli airstrike.

the american media is making the story and slanting the news, instead of doing it's job and reporting the facts.

ron burgundy did a better job reporting on pandas.

Who at ABC are we talking about?

gimmesometruth27

diane sawyer

lara logan got suspended for a debunked benghazi story on 60 minutes. sawyer should have gotten at least a suspension.

JimmyV

That should be a fireable offense. No doubt.

gimmesometruth27

JimmyV said:

That should be a fireable offense. No doubt.

i have come to expect stuff like that from msnbc and fox news because they are pay channels with an agenda. abc, a network, should know better and should act accordingly when false facts are reported. cbs does not play around. dan rather got fired for broadcasting false news about bush's service records. he has not been on a regular network since.

lbpeltz

SkeeterB said:

PJammer4life said:

One thing I can say is US money has saved innocent Israeli lives due to the defense system shooting down rockets aimed for civilians.

Which is a reason you don't hear about Israeli children being killed.

Here here. Nice to see the USA doing some good.

usamamasan1

bradklausen said:

badbrains said:

I dnt understand how someone pretty much says he doesn't want his tax payer dollars to support the dropping of bombs killing children and here's the telling part, crossing over borders and taking land that's NOT there's. Pretty fucken clear who he's talking about. To say it's fucken Cambodia or Russia or Canada is complete bullshit. He ment Israel and he ment the crazy lunatics that want to kill running that country. And if u think other wise, like someone posted above, keep telling yourself that. Again. Thank u eddie for attaching your name to this cause.

All wars are one nation crossing into another's borders to take their land and resources. Whatever bs reason they say they doing it for, like protecting the world from bad guys or for "freedom" is just the cover so one nation can own what another nation has. Like the US crossing borders into Iraq...or the US crossing borders into Afghanistan to gain control of their poppy fields / production... that's why you go to war, to take what does not belong to you... but you need a good cover story to do that because the masses won't support blatant stealing... so they say there's a terrible tyrant killing his own people or ready to attack us... all wars are resource and land wars.

In theory a US citizen's tax dollars wouldn't be paying for Israeli bombs, they'd be paying for US bombs, the ones we drop on innocent children...like the depleted uranium bombs we dropped on Iraq... you should see the images of birth defects caused by depleted uranium in Iraq... it's quite disturbing.

My countrymen and family have killed and died so you can draw pictures for a living

usamamasan1

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JimmyV

Forget it. Somethings are just not worth responding to.

usamamasan1

Did I disturb the jerking?

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RiotZact

usamamasan1 said:

bradklausen said:

badbrains said:

I dnt understand how someone pretty much says he doesn't want his tax payer dollars to support the dropping of bombs killing children and here's the telling part, crossing over borders and taking land that's NOT there's. Pretty fucken clear who he's talking about. To say it's fucken Cambodia or Russia or Canada is complete bullshit. He ment Israel and he ment the crazy lunatics that want to kill running that country. And if u think other wise, like someone posted above, keep telling yourself that. Again. Thank u eddie for attaching your name to this cause.

All wars are one nation crossing into another's borders to take their land and resources. Whatever bs reason they say they doing it for, like protecting the world from bad guys or for "freedom" is just the cover so one nation can own what another nation has. Like the US crossing borders into Iraq...or the US crossing borders into Afghanistan to gain control of their poppy fields / production... that's why you go to war, to take what does not belong to you... but you need a good cover story to do that because the masses won't support blatant stealing... so they say there's a terrible tyrant killing his own people or ready to attack us... all wars are resource and land wars.

In theory a US citizen's tax dollars wouldn't be paying for Israeli bombs, they'd be paying for US bombs, the ones we drop on innocent children...like the depleted uranium bombs we dropped on Iraq... you should see the images of birth defects caused by depleted uranium in Iraq... it's quite disturbing.

My countrymen and family have killed and died so you can draw pictures for a living

Wow you must have your ancestry traced back pretty far then! Impressive!

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Miiike

OH NO - this whole thing makes me so sad, SO SAD!

The thought that some of Eddie’s Jewish fans could feel somehow betrayed by his pro-love, anti-war speech is so devastating . . .

As Brad Klausen has said – how has a speech that is about unity, been turned into something that divides? How on earth did a passionate plea for peace, get corrupted to reinforce an ideology of US versus THEM?

That is how insidious the ideology of war is . . . it infects everything. It can turn a touching, passionate, DRUNK (he was so hammered!) anti-war speech, into something else entirely . . .

I have to agree with what the OP and some others have said, the people that are posting this anti-war speech as an anti-Israel speech are being irresponsible! They are contributing to the mentality of US vs THEM, to the idea that if you are not with us, you are the ENEMY. They’re being INFLAMMATORY . . . which does no fucking good for anyone . . .

And not only that, but THEY ARE FUCKING WITH PEOPLE’S FANDOM.

And you really shouldn’t fuck with people’s fandom, there is so much bad shit happening in the world that to get a little comfort from a band is kinda sacred. And they wouldn’t even know they’re doing it — because they’re so deeply buried in the grief, despair, and warrior mentality that this conflict creates . . .

I can understand why so many Jews are suspicious, I can. Anti-Semitism is still fucking alive and well in the 21st Century. It’s pathetic and it makes me SO MAD. As one guy said, it’s as if people have forgotten about the holocaust. It EXISTS, everywhere, and it DISGUSTS me, especially after the horrors the Jews have been through. We all know it exists . . .

But please, any fans who are reading this who feel somehow betrayed, PLEASE don’t think because Eddie is anti-war, and despises violence of any kind (but more than anything, the governments that perpetrate the violence) that he has a single anti-Semitic bone in his body. Or that he is rooting for one side of the conflict.

I feel for Ben Red and his supporters. I do. I feel for everyone who is touched by this endless, sad, horrific conflict. I mean the despair and grief people feel is palpable. Only grief and despair could induce people to relish in the kidnapping & murder of 3 innocent boys, and only grief and despair could induce people to take up a chair to watch the bombing of Gaza like it’s a football match . . .

But you can’t buy into any of this inflammatory shit. The more righteous you feel, the less empathy you feel for the ‘enemy’, the people on the other side who are just like you.

Oh man, I just really REALLY don’t want any fans to feel betrayed by this . . .

DON’T BUY INTO IT PEARL-JAM FANS. As BradK so eloquently said, divide & conquer - it’s one of the oldest tricks in the book. It’s bullshit. Don’t listen to that voice in your head. There is no anti-Israel sentiment here. Only anti-war.

PJfanwillneverleave1

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melissachun

Only Eddie can say what he meant. I don't think he owes it to anyone to do so, but even if he did choose to clarify his comments, the cynicism would still be there. People who want to vilify him will twist his words to meet their end. This was Eddie's response in 2006, when asked about fans disapproving the "Bush bashing," but it is applicable to any political statement:
I guess you have to realize this is just part and parcel of what we do... At this time, I feel, “How can you not be talking about this stuff?” I’d be talking about it if I was a bartender. I’d be talking about it if I was a druggist... If there’s any job you should be expressing yourself this kind of way it would be that of a musician or a writer. When some of these bigger problems end, we can shut up and play. I look forward to the day and welcome it. I would love to stop thinking about this stuff. I’m fucking sick of dealing with this. I’m sick of living as an American and knowing that our government has run rampant and, even worse than that, has treated us like we’re idiots.

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Elmo said:

OH NO - this whole thing makes me so sad, SO SAD!

The thought that some of Eddie’s Jewish fans could feel somehow betrayed by his pro-love, anti-war speech is so devastating . . .

They Shouldn't feel betrayed as He was talking about there Government...the ones who Make the decisions to Drop Bombs on other People...I'm sure the Majority of Jewish People are Law abiding Citizens.

badbrains

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

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