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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    That's really laughable, doesn't anyone understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration besides me?

    what is your solution?

    put children on boats and let them float back home?

    obama asked for 3 billion to handle the situation as it is currently.

    the senate has passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill. obama will sign it, boehner will not bring it up for a vote.

    what do you want obama to do?

    nothing? or use his executive power to do what he can legally?

    sometimes i think people want nothing to change because if it changed then they would not have anything to complain about.

    boehner can fix this situation. he chooses not to, because he had has the crap scared out of him by cantor's loss. so what does he do?? he sues the president because the president failed to implement a law that boehner voted to repeal over 50 times.

    you want to blame somebody for nothing being done, blame the house gop.

    I want the laws followed that we have.
    what laws specifically?

    there is no comprehensive plan that is currently law. there is one that passed the senate sitting on a bookcase in john boehner's office right now...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    unsung said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

    i do not think any single conservative would bother to find out how other countries handle it, for fear that they might see that there is a better way than the "american way" in which we handle things like this.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    why don't we want illegals here ?.....well right off the top of my head I can think of 3 billion reasons...and the reason will increase by a billion a year every year after that but that's o.k. right ? because you damn "mericans" are all rich and spoiled so you can afford it.......and the laws of this land only aply to the people that can afford to break them.

    Godfather.
  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

    i do not think any single conservative would bother to find out how other countries handle it, for fear that they might see that there is a better way than the "american way" in which we handle things like this.
    If I were to go into Mexico illegally I'd be arrested immediately and sent to one of their grungy prisons for a long time. Pretty sure that's how it works in every country except this one. Thats why other countries dont have the problem. If you don't believe that then I dare you to try entering another country illegally.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Look at the Marine that's been locked up in Mexico for accidentally crossing the border. I wonder why Obama isn't getting him freed? Wait, I know, that would work against his agenda. I mean considering the circumstances and all, couldn't go to battle for that guy.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Godfather. said:

    why don't we want illegals here ?.....well right off the top of my head I can think of 3 billion reasons...and the reason will increase by a billion a year every year after that but that's o.k. right ? because you damn "mericans" are all rich and spoiled so you can afford it.......and the laws of this land only aply to the people that can afford to break them.

    Godfather.

    List a few of those three billion reasons, Godfather.

    You don't think they can contribute in meaningful ways? Do you actually think these people are sacrificing their world at great risk so they can enjoy a 'free ride'?
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Godfather. said:

    why don't we want illegals here ?.....well right off the top of my head I can think of 3 billion reasons...and the reason will increase by a billion a year every year after that but that's o.k. right ? because you damn "mericans" are all rich and spoiled so you can afford it.......and the laws of this land only aply to the people that can afford to break them.

    Godfather.

    List a few of those three billion reasons, Godfather.

    You don't think they can contribute in meaningful ways? Do you actually think these people are sacrificing their world at great risk so they can enjoy a 'free ride'?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ X every year the tax payers support these people, it wont stop with just this issue happening now,once the flood gates are open (by obama) they will keep coming in hords,it will be a field day for the cartels..they'll be opening new shops in the states and murder and drug sales will sky rocket adding to our already over crowded prison system and and more $$$$$$$$ to deal with just that issue...look what happened to Florida in the 70's when Castro sent everybody by boat to Miami, it's nice to have a good heart but people also need to think about the long term.

    Godfather.

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    unsung said:

    Look at the Marine that's been locked up in Mexico for accidentally crossing the border. I wonder why Obama isn't getting him freed? Wait, I know, that would work against his agenda. I mean considering the circumstances and all, couldn't go to battle for that guy.

    probably because you conservatives would crucify him after what happened with the bergdhal guy that you all believe should still be in custody..
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    primussucks said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

    i do not think any single conservative would bother to find out how other countries handle it, for fear that they might see that there is a better way than the "american way" in which we handle things like this.
    If I were to go into Mexico illegally I'd be arrested immediately and sent to one of their grungy prisons for a long time. Pretty sure that's how it works in every country except this one. Thats why other countries dont have the problem. If you don't believe that then I dare you to try entering another country illegally.
    why would i want to go to mexico illegally?? why would i want to cross that border illegally?

    mexico was not built on "give me tired, your poor," etc. we have a fucking statue/monument that states it. if you don't like it, maybe we should stop advertising it on a world famous monument?? you know, just sandblast the text off of there or something.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Godfather. said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Godfather. said:

    why don't we want illegals here ?.....well right off the top of my head I can think of 3 billion reasons...and the reason will increase by a billion a year every year after that but that's o.k. right ? because you damn "mericans" are all rich and spoiled so you can afford it.......and the laws of this land only aply to the people that can afford to break them.

    Godfather.

    List a few of those three billion reasons, Godfather.

    You don't think they can contribute in meaningful ways? Do you actually think these people are sacrificing their world at great risk so they can enjoy a 'free ride'?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ X every year the tax payers support these people, it wont stop with just this issue happening now,once the flood gates are open (by obama) they will keep coming in hords,it will be a field day for the cartels..they'll be opening new shops in the states and murder and drug sales will sky rocket adding to our already over crowded prison system and and more $$$$$$$$ to deal with just that issue...look what happened to Florida in the 70's when Castro sent everybody by boat to Miami, it's nice to have a good heart but people also need to think about the long term.

    Godfather.

    It's not the same thing as the Cuban refugee crisis. In that incident, I would agree with you that it wasn't a situation to completely embrace: Castro was deliberately sprinkling in 'undesirables' with genuine refugees. The people streaming in from Mexico are overwhelmingly authentic people looking for a better life- not a handout.

    The cartels are not looking to 'open shop' in the US- they have a stranglehold on their own country and are served quite well with the current arrangement without agitating their superpower northern neighbour and motivating them to large scale actions detrimental to current way of life. Your concern isn't legitimate in my mind.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i blame san diego

    now let's talk mexico & its people, both decent & not so decent mexicans.

    the drug cartel(s) are already here & in every state, every city & they are doing a booming business. opening new shops as you call them has already happened & will continue to be happening. there is no stopping this organized crime style of drug smuggling.

    but, chadwick, how can you say that? well because i just did & it is simple to understand. people are paid off rather they like it or not. rather they like it or not truck loads of whatever drug will be coming across the border, flying in, shipped up rivers, oceans, tunneled under & in & smuggled by runners & who knows how else.

    building a 97 ft tall fence along the entire length of mexico & the u.s. is hilarious & will do nothing but waste big dollars.

    there are more great, wonderful, hard working mexicans than lowlife hitmen working for whichever cartel.

    another thing to think about is this... mexico has corruption. this does not mean everyone is a killer. it means they wanna eat & may sling a little dope or do what have you to feed their families faces.

    i am willing to bet 87-91% of all americans have no idea what a mexican drug cartel is, what they do, where they are & so on. sophisticated is an understatement. making drugs legal across the board is the first step in calming this fucking zoo down a notch or two, not building a wall fence.

    the canadian border is a drug smugglers paradise... fuck it. steer fishing vessels into seattle & bellingham harbors & docks. simple shit & is done regularly from vessels all over the world.
    heroin into seattle from where? heroin into seattle from where?
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited July 2014
    edit
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,502
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    primussucks said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

    i do not think any single conservative would bother to find out how other countries handle it, for fear that they might see that there is a better way than the "american way" in which we handle things like this.
    If I were to go into Mexico illegally I'd be arrested immediately and sent to one of their grungy prisons for a long time. Pretty sure that's how it works in every country except this one. Thats why other countries dont have the problem. If you don't believe that then I dare you to try entering another country illegally.
    why would i want to go to mexico illegally?? why would i want to cross that border illegally?

    mexico was not built on "give me tired, your poor," etc. we have a fucking statue/monument that states it. if you don't like it, maybe we should stop advertising it on a world famous monument?? you know, just sandblast the text off of there or something.
    to be fair that statue and the plaque with those words were a gift from france. A gift that keeps on giving it seems.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Shut down the border.

    Jail people that employ illegal aliens.

    No handouts for illegal aliens.

    Problem solved.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Godfather. said:

    sounds like everybody is in favor of a one world order......you guys know how humans react to such an idea,some friggin obama-hitler type will want to rule the world
    and maybe it wont be all sunshine and flowers like you all think it will and infact I'd bet on it.

    Godfather.

    Oh goodness.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Did early Americans actually fight for freedom or did they fight for exclusivity to- ironically- a land that was not theirs?

    Those so staunchly opposed to people desperately seeking a new life simply don't see the hypocrisy of the entire situation.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    primussucks said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

    i do not think any single conservative would bother to find out how other countries handle it, for fear that they might see that there is a better way than the "american way" in which we handle things like this.
    If I were to go into Mexico illegally I'd be arrested immediately and sent to one of their grungy prisons for a long time. Pretty sure that's how it works in every country except this one. Thats why other countries dont have the problem. If you don't believe that then I dare you to try entering another country illegally.
    why would i want to go to mexico illegally?? why would i want to cross that border illegally?

    mexico was not built on "give me tired, your poor," etc. we have a fucking statue/monument that states it. if you don't like it, maybe we should stop advertising it on a world famous monument?? you know, just sandblast the text off of there or something.
    I said if "I" were to go into Mexico illegally. It's a hypothetical statement to use as an example. It's a very good example because of the irony. I said you can try to enter any other country illegally because it wouldn't matter what country because the result would be the same. Comprende?
    While we are at it we should just tear up the constitution and pretend that never existed because lately the constitution appears to not exist.
    What's up with all the "you conservative" bullshit? I voted for Obama in 08 fyi. I don't like tying myself down to a particular party. I dont vote for someone only because they are democrat or republican. I'm not afraid to admit when we have a serious problem in washington. I don't care what party anyone is associated with. I recognize bullshit regardless of the
    Party and call them out. Is this president infallible? It seems to some he is.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Did early Americans actually fight for freedom or did they fight for exclusivity to- ironically- a land that was not theirs?

    Those so staunchly opposed to people desperately seeking a new life simply don't see the hypocrisy of the entire situation.

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • unsung
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    primussucks said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    primussucks said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Documented and undocumented. Yes there is a difference. In civil law.

    What of those who overstay a visa and remain?
    What of them?

    They are breaking our laws. How do other countries handle it?

    i do not think any single conservative would bother to find out how other countries handle it, for fear that they might see that there is a better way than the "american way" in which we handle things like this.
    If I were to go into Mexico illegally I'd be arrested immediately and sent to one of their grungy prisons for a long time. Pretty sure that's how it works in every country except this one. Thats why other countries dont have the problem. If you don't believe that then I dare you to try entering another country illegally.
    why would i want to go to mexico illegally?? why would i want to cross that border illegally?

    mexico was not built on "give me tired, your poor," etc. we have a fucking statue/monument that states it. if you don't like it, maybe we should stop advertising it on a world famous monument?? you know, just sandblast the text off of there or something.
    I said if "I" were to go into Mexico illegally. It's a hypothetical statement to use as an example. It's a very good example because of the irony. I said you can try to enter any other country illegally because it wouldn't matter what country because the result would be the same. Comprende?
    While we are at it we should just tear up the constitution and pretend that never existed because lately the constitution appears to not exist.
    What's up with all the "you conservative" bullshit? I voted for Obama in 08 fyi. I don't like tying myself down to a particular party. I dont vote for someone only because they are democrat or republican. I'm not afraid to admit when we have a serious problem in washington. I don't care what party anyone is associated with. I recognize bullshit regardless of the
    Party and call them out. Is this president infallible? It seems to some he is.
    Calling someone something as if it is a curse is easier than discussing the situation when your position makes little to no sense.

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