sounds like everybody is in favor of a one world order......you guys know how humans react to such an idea,some friggin obama-hitler type will want to rule the world and maybe it wont be all sunshine and flowers like you all think it will and infact I'd bet on it.
sounds like everybody is in favor of a one world order......you guys know how humans react to such an idea,some friggin obama-hitler type will want to rule the world and maybe it wont be all sunshine and flowers like you all think it will and infact I'd bet on it.
Godfather.
"Obama-Hitler type"....are you for real equating the two?
sounds like everybody is in favor of a one world order......you guys know how humans react to such an idea,some friggin obama-hitler type will want to rule the world and maybe it wont be all sunshine and flowers like you all think it will and infact I'd bet on it.
Godfather.
"Obama-Hitler type"....are you for real equating the two?
no.. but both were/are disasters to their own countries,can you prove that to be wrong ? both by-pass congress and their constutions to feed their agendas,both have/had the idead to unarm their nation....look how it worked out for hitler,he rounded up Jews with little to no resistance then killed them,not that obama has that plan in mind but he still keeps tring to run a dictatorship it semms.......notice I said "it seems" and to me that's what it looks like.
First Hitler was appointed Chancellor before a free election sometime later that only garnered some like 40% of the vote for him. Second he didnt try to disarm the populace like the rampant memes suggest with that bullshit quote. Please open a book like a neutral encyclopedia or something before posted that kind of stuff. It paints you in a bad light.
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First Hitler was appointed Chancellor before a free election sometime later that only garnered some like 40% of the vote for him. Second he didnt try to disarm the populace like the rampant memes suggest with that bullshit quote. Please open a book like a neutral encyclopedia or something before posted that kind of stuff. It paints you in a bad light.
sorry for the history glitch but all in all he was evil unless there is more that I missed ? I knew he was appointed chancellor but from what I remember he ran with it and distroyed a country.
This guy makes a good point and hits on what I was already saying. Maybe it will come off as less racist since he's not white like some of the other people using common sense and logic on this issue. Skip to about 1:40... or skip to 5:25 if you want to see a lady also explain the situation in a way that's easy for most to understand. http://youtu.be/q_oyP0eDKZ0?t=1m38s
First Hitler was appointed Chancellor before a free election sometime later that only garnered some like 40% of the vote for him. Second he didnt try to disarm the populace like the rampant memes suggest with that bullshit quote. Please open a book like a neutral encyclopedia or something before posted that kind of stuff. It paints you in a bad light.
sorry for the history glitch but all in all he was evil unless there is more that I missed ? I knew he was appointed chancellor but from what I remember he ran with it and distroyed a country.
Godfather.
I'm hard pressed to believe it was a harmless "glitch" on your part. I havent always been kind, poked fun etc, but I do respect your consistency and the slight change in tone/understanding about new info not long ago. But seriously man, I can think of no other human being in hitlers class other than his top echelon.
Whatever mistakes Obama has made missteps, etc, it isnt intentional and would help greatly if the Legislative body was not so god damn obstinate. Sit down and work something out. ALL of them. They may first and foremost be reps for their districts , But they are also working for the entire nation. And should act accordingly without the grandstanding and finger pointing.
Point your finger at soemthing. Look closely at your hand. You will see 3 pointing back at you.
NONE are exempt from my disdain. Propose something practical and pragmatic that moves us forward and not remain stuck in neutral about to blow the engine blowharding in front of the cameras.. Its fucking childish and makes us ALL a laughingstock with no moral authority or credibility anywhere. See where others are right and build on it for gods sake.For all our intelligence here in the US , as a country we are pretty fucking stupid.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
sounds like everybody is in favor of a one world order......you guys know how humans react to such an idea,some friggin obama-hitler type will want to rule the world and maybe it wont be all sunshine and flowers like you all think it will and infact I'd bet on it.
Godfather.
"Obama-Hitler type"....are you for real equating the two?
no.. but both were/are disasters to their own countries,can you prove that to be wrong ? both by-pass congress and their constutions to feed their agendas,both have/had the idead to unarm their nation....look how it worked out for hitler,he rounded up Jews with little to no resistance then killed them,not that obama has that plan in mind but he still keeps tring to run a dictatorship it semms.......notice I said "it seems" and to me that's what it looks like.
Godfather.
Off topic but I don't believe Obama is trying to disarm the nation, as NRA nuts would have you believe. He would like to keep gun ownership in the hands of responsible citizens and I'm with him on that particular subject.
As much as I dislike Obama and the mess he has created in this country, there's no fucking way you can compare him to Hitler. That's just irresponsible and downright wrong. Come on GF, Hitler?
this is why nothing will ever be done on border security.
the gop needs images like this to run on for the next 20 years. there could be an agreement, but then immigration would be off the table as an issue. this is something the southern gop run on year in and out. without this issue, the gop has no prayer of ever winning the white house and/or a filibuster/veto proof majority.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I think people need to ask, 'Why do people come here?" My answer is 'Money'. Not 'Freedom' or 'Liberty' or 'Free Health Care' or 'Apple Pie'... they come her because of the money. Sure, there are some that come here to escape conditions in their homeland... but, the vast majority of people come here for one reason... 'Work'. Work means money... money buys comfort. Personally, i think that only a self-rghteous person thinks people come here to be just like them. I believe they come here to work.. so they get paid... so they can send the money home to their families... so their kids don't have to traverse hundreds of miles of harsh desert and years of seperation for their kids. ... So, if I am correct, that it is due to the money... then we should take steps to stop the main reason WHY they migrate here. Take away the jobs and place the jobs in their homelands. Not an easy task, but I believe it can be done. Americans will also have to assume the cost of losing this cheap labor force. If you have the Illegals coming up here... you will have to embrace the higher cost of goods and services that come along with Americans taking over those jobs. I mean, who cares if the burgers you eat cost 15 bucks... as long as 'Those people' are no longer here, right?
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I think people need to ask, 'Why do people come here?" My answer is 'Money'. Not 'Freedom' or 'Liberty' or 'Free Health Care' or 'Apple Pie'... they come her because of the money. Sure, there are some that come here to escape conditions in their homeland... but, the vast majority of people come here for one reason... 'Work'. Work means money... money buys comfort. Personally, i think that only a self-rghteous person thinks people come here to be just like them. I believe they come here to work.. so they get paid... so they can send the money home to their families... so their kids don't have to traverse hundreds of miles of harsh desert and years of seperation for their kids. ... So, if I am correct, that it is due to the money... then we should take steps to stop the main reason WHY they migrate here. Take away the jobs and place the jobs in their homelands. Not an easy task, but I believe it can be done. Americans will also have to assume the cost of losing this cheap labor force. If you have the Illegals coming up here... you will have to embrace the higher cost of goods and services that come along with Americans taking over those jobs. I mean, who cares if the burgers you eat cost 15 bucks... as long as 'Those people' are no longer here, right?
well believe it or not jobs are leaving the U.S for mexico (Turbo Meca-Levi strouss-GM-ford and others)
I think people need to ask, 'Why do people come here?" My answer is 'Money'. Not 'Freedom' or 'Liberty' or 'Free Health Care' or 'Apple Pie'... they come her because of the money. Sure, there are some that come here to escape conditions in their homeland... but, the vast majority of people come here for one reason... 'Work'. Work means money... money buys comfort. Personally, i think that only a self-rghteous person thinks people come here to be just like them. I believe they come here to work.. so they get paid... so they can send the money home to their families... so their kids don't have to traverse hundreds of miles of harsh desert and years of seperation for their kids. ... So, if I am correct, that it is due to the money... then we should take steps to stop the main reason WHY they migrate here. Take away the jobs and place the jobs in their homelands. Not an easy task, but I believe it can be done. Americans will also have to assume the cost of losing this cheap labor force. If you have the Illegals coming up here... you will have to embrace the higher cost of goods and services that come along with Americans taking over those jobs. I mean, who cares if the burgers you eat cost 15 bucks... as long as 'Those people' are no longer here, right?
well believe it or not jobs are leaving the U.S for mexico (Turbo Meca-Levi strouss-GM-ford and others)
Godfather.
... Then, maybe you'll get what you are wishing for, right? What you should be wishing for is to move all of our farming to Mexico. If the jobs are down there... those dirty people won't be coming up here, right? Who cares if your tomato costs 3 bucks each, you won't have to worry about 'those people' coming up here to pick them.
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Just any American kid to do the jobs these immigrants are doing here for the measly $ they get paid and you can bet your ass they will look at you like you have three eyes ....Plus Cosmo it's easy we just have to stop eating the 3$ tomato or for that matter just don't have your lawn mowed let the grass grow three feet high ....People act like there are 20 american unemployed men looking for work at your local Homedepot all i ever see is immigrant men looking for jobs ....
it would be nice to see them deported Jose then they can do it right and come here legally,is there anything wrong with that ? I getting kind of tired of reading and hearing about these poor hard working immigrants who just what jobs and how they keep the tamoto prices down,how about their own government do something for them ?...billions of tax dollars spent on "immigrants" every year.....that's a pretty expensive tomoato in anybodys book.
Cosmo wtf are you talking about.... "well believe it or not jobs are leaving the U.S for mexico (Turbo Meca-Levi strouss-GM-ford and others)" was all I said and believe it or not...I don't blame the mexican people at all...I blame corprate America but as long as it is so then why don't the locals take advantage of this if they do not already ? if the mexican government could at least offer education to it's people this would be a huge step in the right direction and another thing...when business come to countries like mexico-poland-chille-china and so on it is because of a few simple things, they work cheap and accept it and the EPA restrictions are almost non existant so don't blame me or anybody else for this stuff,the governments of these countries could demand a min wage for for their workers and other standards to promote a good living for thier people...no more excusses.
Illegal immigrants pouring across the border could trigger a wave of lawsuits flooding the U.S. court system for years and costing taxpayers millions, according to legal experts.
The American Civil Liberties Union has already sued the federal government to ensure that each of the 60,000-plus unaccompanied children who have come across the border since November gets taxpayer-funded representation at deportation hearings. But legal advocacy groups who represent illegal immigrants could file additional suits alleging improper treatment at the hands of the government. And with the system overwhelmed, there’s little doubt corners are being cut.
“You can bet there is a phalanx of left-wing lawyers trying to line up illegal alien plaintiffs,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
"The sky’s the limit, it could be a nightmare.” - Jessica Vaughn, The Center for Immigration Studies
Slow asylum hearing dockets — like those that have already prompted a class action suit on behalf of 40,000 illegal immigrants — are certain to get much worse, experts say. But every interaction between the government and the illegal immigrants pouring in could potentially trigger a cause of action if lawyers can prove the letter of the law was not followed.
Jessica Vaughn, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, said there's little the White House can do now that the children — most of whom are from Central America —are already here. Under U.S. law, kids from non-contiguous countries cannot be turned back at the border and must be granted deportation hearings.
“If we start sending these kids back to their home countries, there will be lawsuits galore,” said Vaughn. “We’re already seeing suits for conditions and denial of privileges. The sky’s the limit, it could be a nightmare.”
President Obama has asked Congress for $3.7 billion to deal with the border crisis, money that would include tending to the care and legal needs of the illegal aliens. But the courts are already clogged with suits like one from a woman who claims the Border Patrol kept her in a car for eight hours without feeding her and another filed in March by Americans for Immigrant Justice claiming illegal immigrants in the Texas Rio Grande Valley facility were held in brightly lit, cold, cot-less cells.
And earlier this month the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled that a Mexican teenager killed on Mexican soil by a Border Patrol agent who claims he was being pelted with rocks had rights under the U.S. constitution. His family is suing for $325 million.
Vaughn said the administration makes it easy to sue the federal government, both with policies that critics say have invited the influx, and half-hearted efforts in court.
“This administration is empowering these groups by not lifting a finger to defend itself,” Vaughn said. “ICE often times doesn’t bother to send a prosecutor to appear in court. This creates a climate which makes people think they can get away with anything.”
Illegal immigrant advocacy groups hailed the ACLU suit filed Wednesday in San Antonio on behalf of eight illegal immigrants ranging in age from 10-17. Immigration courts do not have to provide legal representation for adult illegal immigrants who are fighting deportation, but the ACLU suit said that the children it is representing must get legal help. And they have not been able to find lawyers, partly because the nation’s immigration courts are backlogged by 367,000 pending cases of children and adults, according to the suit.
A ruling that the government must provide representation could prove expensive to taxpayers, but no one expects illegal immigrant children to represent themselves. And the Obama administration has already signaled it is open to the idea of providing legal help where needed.
“We welcome this suit with open arms,” says Cheryl Little executive director of Americans for Immigrant Justice. “The money the president has requested is not enough. We’ve been overwhelmed and at crisis level for two years. Free legal assistance for children regardless of their status can mean life or death.”
Under the president’s proposed money request the Department of Justice would be given $15 million to hire attorneys to defend unaccompanied minors against deportation in removal proceedings before an immigration judge. An additional $1.1 million would be allocated for "immigration litigation attorneys" who, presumably, would assist adult illegal immigrants in their proceedings.
“The president is asking U.S. taxpayer to spend millions to help illegal immigrants who knowingly broke our laws to avoid deportation,” says Vaughn. “The federal government is undercutting its entire mission. No one is defending our law.”
Vaughn says the law requires legal counsel and hearings for unaccompanied minors but questioned why children released into parental custody are being treated as unaccompanied under the law. According to Vaughn almost half of the children in the current border crossing surge have been released to relatives living in the U.S.
However, Little said she’s concerned there is a move underway to send children back to their home countries too soon by using video conferencing to expediting hearings which according to Little would “violate these children’s right to their full and fair process.”
The ACLU is looking for other causes of action amid the border crisis, too.
“There was only one open bathroom and no activities for children who were stuffed into small cells,” said ACLU of Texas senior staff attorney Adriana Pinon. “We’re monitoring the situation. There’s always the possibility of a lawsuit. ”
Meanwhile, conditions for agents working in border facilities remains challenging.
“Agents in the El Paso and Laredo sectors are getting sick,” said Shawn Moran vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. “We’re working in close proximity doing medical screening on people and seeing cases of H1N1 swine flu, chicken pox, measles, lice and tuberculosis. People who are supposed to be cleared are being released into the community. Given the dormant period of some of these diseases there is a concern. ”
Moran doubts there’s much legal recourse for agents who get injured or sick as a result of the border crisis. And taxpayers won’t have much recourse, either, Vaughn predicted.
“The average taxpayer does not have the means,” Vaughn siad. “There’s more financial aid available to illegal immigrants than there is for the average taxpayer.”
Cosmo wtf are you talking about.... "well believe it or not jobs are leaving the U.S for mexico (Turbo Meca-Levi strouss-GM-ford and others)" was all I said and believe it or not...I don't blame the mexican people at all...I blame corprate America but as long as it is so then why don't the locals take advantage of this if they do not already ? if the mexican government could at least offer education to it's people this would be a huge step in the right direction and another thing...when business come to countries like mexico-poland-chille-china and so on it is because of a few simple things, they work cheap and accept it and the EPA restrictions are almost non existant so don't blame me or anybody else for this stuff,the governments of these countries could demand a min wage for for their workers and other standards to promote a good living for thier people...no more excusses.
Godfather.
... Okay then... based on what you said, what does Ford and General Motors sending jobs overseas have to do with Immigation? You DO know that American companies are sending manufacturing jobs to China and Indo-China, right? Those workers are not looking for jobs in the manufacturing sector... the jobs the immigrants are taking are overwhelmigly the no-skill/low-skill jobs... like picking tomatoes, for example. ... The basis of this thread are your rants on immigrants in this country... i just don't understand how you think that jobs shipped off to China will stop unskilled labor from seeking farming jobs up here. The only way to grant your wishes is to either ship the farming (no-skill/low-skill) jobs to Mexico and point south.... or what? What do you propose as a solution? What? Without the cheap labor.. who is going to pick the tomatoes? And what are those Americans going to get paid for doing so?
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Today, David Alexander Díaz-Torres, Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Officer, was arrested by special agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in Orlando, FL, for conspiracy to transport illegal aliens within the United States, announced U.S. Attorney for the District of Puerto Rico, Rosa Emilia Rodríguez-Vélez. Díaz-Torres was charged on September 10, 2013, in a 13-count superseding indictment with five other individuals for bringing, transporting, harboring and shielding illegal aliens within the United States.
On August 7, 2013, Rafael Severino, Eduard Bueno-Beltrán, Luis Raul Sierra-Conde, Juan Severino-Basora and Esther Mary Sánchez-Cruz were indicted for participating in a scheme to bring illegal aliens to the United States. On March 24, 2012, a group of Brazilian nationals were smuggled by an unidentified female to New York through the Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico. It is alleged that David A. Díaz-Torres assisted two co-defendants in smuggling the group of Brazilians by allowing them to pass the security checkpoint area without being questioned. The group continued to New York, Boston and Philadelphia on board commercial flights. " ... One TSA Agent was involved, not the entire TSA organization. The airport was in San Juan, Puerto Rico... not Chicago O'Hare. ... This is a good example how a seemingly intelligent person can be his worst enemy by sensationalizing an event to rationalize a very specific political objective. Unless you misunderstood and thought the TSA had already smuggled in a Brazillion Foriegn Nationals in to the U.S. In that case, I understand why you posted this.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
TSA is allowing illegal aliens on commercial flights, to be resettled around the country, without identification.
... I don't want to scare you... but, i just learned that these next generation smart munitions can be converted from military use to non-lethal police use. What these weapons are used for is suppression of hostile fire in tight urban environments. They were initially used for recon operations to pinpoint hostile targets. Equipped with cameras, these very small remotely controled drones could peer through windows and on roofs with very little detection. Once the target has been identified, U.S. firepower can be brought to bear and destroy the intended target. The cool/scary thing about these drones is that they can be delivered in a package and break off into multiple, independent drones to cover several areas at the same time. Think of something the size of an over inflated basketball that can break off into a dozen or so baseballs that can all travel in different directions. Later, these drones were armed with small, lightweight explosives... mini grenades. The suicide drones could be flown into very close proximity of the target and set off. The explosive charge would unleash small pieces of anti-personel schrapnel. Imagine twin M-80s in a jar with a bunch of aluminum sheet metal screws blowing up above your head. It may not kill you, but you won't be firing that AK at troops hiding behind their HMMWV down the street any more. You can expect them to kick in the door and finish you off within the next minute or so. NOW... these things are in development for use by domestic police forces. They won't be armed with those mini grenades, but they will be able to deliver tear gas or taser wires to the place you are barricaded behind. They can also be used as recon systems in large crowd events, such as the Super Bowl and used in case there is a riot by tactically dispursing the crowd and herding them towards awaiting police forces.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Today, David Alexander Díaz-Torres, Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Officer, was arrested by special agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in Orlando, FL, for conspiracy to transport illegal aliens within the United States, announced U.S. Attorney for the District of Puerto Rico, Rosa Emilia Rodríguez-Vélez. Díaz-Torres was charged on September 10, 2013, in a 13-count superseding indictment with five other individuals for bringing, transporting, harboring and shielding illegal aliens within the United States.
On August 7, 2013, Rafael Severino, Eduard Bueno-Beltrán, Luis Raul Sierra-Conde, Juan Severino-Basora and Esther Mary Sánchez-Cruz were indicted for participating in a scheme to bring illegal aliens to the United States. On March 24, 2012, a group of Brazilian nationals were smuggled by an unidentified female to New York through the Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico. It is alleged that David A. Díaz-Torres assisted two co-defendants in smuggling the group of Brazilians by allowing them to pass the security checkpoint area without being questioned. The group continued to New York, Boston and Philadelphia on board commercial flights. " ... One TSA Agent was involved, not the entire TSA organization. The airport was in San Juan, Puerto Rico... not Chicago O'Hare. ... This is a good example how a seemingly intelligent person can be his worst enemy by sensationalizing an event to rationalize a very specific political objective. Unless you misunderstood and thought the TSA had already smuggled in a Brazillion Foriegn Nationals in to the U.S. In that case, I understand why you posted this.
Thanks for posting a link to an old story, maybe it is relevant to something.
Mexicans seeking a new life. Americans clinging to some semblance of their old life. The old life is gone for both countries and both countries are at the root of the change.
In my opinion, the drug cartels that cater to USA recreational drug use have eroded the Mexican culture to the point where honest Mexicans seeking a modest life pack up their belongings and risk much- seeking a new life just a few miles over the border.
It's easy to say, "Do it legally." That's leaving much to chance that doesn't favour the typical Mexican seeking refuge from a country that is losing its soul.
If one was honest with themselves, they would look at almost every individual case and weigh in favour of supporting their endeavour to seek a new life. Can one honestly be so callous to turn an 11 year old from their border? If so, then what have we become?
Mexicans seeking a new life. Americans clinging to some semblance of their old life. The old life is gone for both countries and both countries are at the root of the change.
In my opinion, the drug cartels that cater to USA recreational drug use have eroded the Mexican culture to the point where honest Mexicans seeking a modest life pack up their belongings and risk much- seeking a new life just a few miles over the border.
It's easy to say, "Do it legally." That's leaving much to chance that doesn't favour the typical Mexican seeking refuge from a country that is losing its soul.
If one was honest with themselves, they would look at almost every individual case and weigh in favour of supporting their endeavour to seek a new life. Can one honestly be so callous to turn an 11 year old from their border? If so, then what have we become?
This. Yes, this. Needed to read this. Well said, Thirty.
Mexicans seeking a new life. Americans clinging to some semblance of their old life. The old life is gone for both countries and both countries are at the root of the change.
In my opinion, the drug cartels that cater to USA recreational drug use have eroded the Mexican culture to the point where honest Mexicans seeking a modest life pack up their belongings and risk much- seeking a new life just a few miles over the border.
It's easy to say, "Do it legally." That's leaving much to chance that doesn't favour the typical Mexican seeking refuge from a country that is losing its soul.
If one was honest with themselves, they would look at almost every individual case and weigh in favour of supporting their endeavour to seek a new life. Can one honestly be so callous to turn an 11 year old from their border? If so, then what have we become?
Most of these recent one are from South America, not Mexico.
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and maybe it wont be all sunshine and flowers like you all think it will and infact I'd bet on it.
Godfather.
She did a lot of good things, the debate over constitutionality was based on ID's.
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
Whatever mistakes Obama has made missteps, etc, it isnt intentional and would help greatly if the Legislative body was not so god damn obstinate. Sit down and work something out. ALL of them. They may first and foremost be reps for their districts , But they are also working for the entire nation. And should act accordingly without the grandstanding and finger pointing.
Point your finger at soemthing. Look closely at your hand. You will see 3 pointing back at you.
NONE are exempt from my disdain. Propose something practical and pragmatic that moves us forward and not remain stuck in neutral about to blow the engine blowharding in front of the cameras.. Its fucking childish and makes us ALL a laughingstock with no moral authority or credibility anywhere. See where others are right and build on it for gods sake.For all our intelligence here in the US , as a country we are pretty fucking stupid.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
this is why nothing will ever be done on border security.
the gop needs images like this to run on for the next 20 years. there could be an agreement, but then immigration would be off the table as an issue. this is something the southern gop run on year in and out. without this issue, the gop has no prayer of ever winning the white house and/or a filibuster/veto proof majority.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
My answer is 'Money'. Not 'Freedom' or 'Liberty' or 'Free Health Care' or 'Apple Pie'... they come her because of the money.
Sure, there are some that come here to escape conditions in their homeland... but, the vast majority of people come here for one reason... 'Work'. Work means money... money buys comfort.
Personally, i think that only a self-rghteous person thinks people come here to be just like them. I believe they come here to work.. so they get paid... so they can send the money home to their families... so their kids don't have to traverse hundreds of miles of harsh desert and years of seperation for their kids.
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So, if I am correct, that it is due to the money... then we should take steps to stop the main reason WHY they migrate here. Take away the jobs and place the jobs in their homelands. Not an easy task, but I believe it can be done.
Americans will also have to assume the cost of losing this cheap labor force. If you have the Illegals coming up here... you will have to embrace the higher cost of goods and services that come along with Americans taking over those jobs. I mean, who cares if the burgers you eat cost 15 bucks... as long as 'Those people' are no longer here, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Godfather.
Then, maybe you'll get what you are wishing for, right? What you should be wishing for is to move all of our farming to Mexico. If the jobs are down there... those dirty people won't be coming up here, right? Who cares if your tomato costs 3 bucks each, you won't have to worry about 'those people' coming up here to pick them.
Hail, Hail!!!
Cosmo wtf are you talking about.... "well believe it or not jobs are leaving the U.S for mexico (Turbo Meca-Levi strouss-GM-ford and others)" was all I said and believe it or not...I don't blame the mexican people at all...I blame corprate America but as long as it is so then why don't the locals take advantage of this if they do not already ? if the mexican government could at least offer education to it's people this would be a huge step in the right direction and another thing...when business come to countries like mexico-poland-chille-china and so on it is because of a few simple things, they work cheap and accept it and the EPA restrictions are almost non existant so don't blame me or anybody else for this stuff,the governments of these countries could demand a min wage for for their workers and other standards to promote a good living for thier people...no more excusses.
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Illegal immigrants pouring across the border could trigger a wave of lawsuits flooding the U.S. court system for years and costing taxpayers millions, according to legal experts.
The American Civil Liberties Union has already sued the federal government to ensure that each of the 60,000-plus unaccompanied children who have come across the border since November gets taxpayer-funded representation at deportation hearings. But legal advocacy groups who represent illegal immigrants could file additional suits alleging improper treatment at the hands of the government. And with the system overwhelmed, there’s little doubt corners are being cut.
“You can bet there is a phalanx of left-wing lawyers trying to line up illegal alien plaintiffs,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
"The sky’s the limit, it could be a nightmare.”
- Jessica Vaughn, The Center for Immigration Studies
Slow asylum hearing dockets — like those that have already prompted a class action suit on behalf of 40,000 illegal immigrants — are certain to get much worse, experts say. But every interaction between the government and the illegal immigrants pouring in could potentially trigger a cause of action if lawyers can prove the letter of the law was not followed.
Jessica Vaughn, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, said there's little the White House can do now that the children — most of whom are from Central America —are already here. Under U.S. law, kids from non-contiguous countries cannot be turned back at the border and must be granted deportation hearings.
“If we start sending these kids back to their home countries, there will be lawsuits galore,” said Vaughn. “We’re already seeing suits for conditions and denial of privileges. The sky’s the limit, it could be a nightmare.”
President Obama has asked Congress for $3.7 billion to deal with the border crisis, money that would include tending to the care and legal needs of the illegal aliens. But the courts are already clogged with suits like one from a woman who claims the Border Patrol kept her in a car for eight hours without feeding her and another filed in March by Americans for Immigrant Justice claiming illegal immigrants in the Texas Rio Grande Valley facility were held in brightly lit, cold, cot-less cells.
And earlier this month the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled that a Mexican teenager killed on Mexican soil by a Border Patrol agent who claims he was being pelted with rocks had rights under the U.S. constitution. His family is suing for $325 million.
Vaughn said the administration makes it easy to sue the federal government, both with policies that critics say have invited the influx, and half-hearted efforts in court.
“This administration is empowering these groups by not lifting a finger to defend itself,” Vaughn said. “ICE often times doesn’t bother to send a prosecutor to appear in court. This creates a climate which makes people think they can get away with anything.”
Illegal immigrant advocacy groups hailed the ACLU suit filed Wednesday in San Antonio on behalf of eight illegal immigrants ranging in age from 10-17. Immigration courts do not have to provide legal representation for adult illegal immigrants who are fighting deportation, but the ACLU suit said that the children it is representing must get legal help. And they have not been able to find lawyers, partly because the nation’s immigration courts are backlogged by 367,000 pending cases of children and adults, according to the suit.
A ruling that the government must provide representation could prove expensive to taxpayers, but no one expects illegal immigrant children to represent themselves. And the Obama administration has already signaled it is open to the idea of providing legal help where needed.
“We welcome this suit with open arms,” says Cheryl Little executive director of Americans for Immigrant Justice. “The money the president has requested is not enough. We’ve been overwhelmed and at crisis level for two years. Free legal assistance for children regardless of their status can mean life or death.”
Under the president’s proposed money request the Department of Justice would be given $15 million to hire attorneys to defend unaccompanied minors against deportation in removal proceedings before an immigration judge. An additional $1.1 million would be allocated for "immigration litigation attorneys" who, presumably, would assist adult illegal immigrants in their proceedings.
“The president is asking U.S. taxpayer to spend millions to help illegal immigrants who knowingly broke our laws to avoid deportation,” says Vaughn. “The federal government is undercutting its entire mission. No one is defending our law.”
Vaughn says the law requires legal counsel and hearings for unaccompanied minors but questioned why children released into parental custody are being treated as unaccompanied under the law. According to Vaughn almost half of the children in the current border crossing surge have been released to relatives living in the U.S.
However, Little said she’s concerned there is a move underway to send children back to their home countries too soon by using video conferencing to expediting hearings which according to Little would “violate these children’s right to their full and fair process.”
The ACLU is looking for other causes of action amid the border crisis, too.
“There was only one open bathroom and no activities for children who were stuffed into small cells,” said ACLU of Texas senior staff attorney Adriana Pinon. “We’re monitoring the situation. There’s always the possibility of a lawsuit. ”
Meanwhile, conditions for agents working in border facilities remains challenging.
“Agents in the El Paso and Laredo sectors are getting sick,” said Shawn Moran vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. “We’re working in close proximity doing medical screening on people and seeing cases of H1N1 swine flu, chicken pox, measles, lice and tuberculosis. People who are supposed to be cleared are being released into the community. Given the dormant period of some of these diseases there is a concern. ”
Moran doubts there’s much legal recourse for agents who get injured or sick as a result of the border crisis. And taxpayers won’t have much recourse, either, Vaughn predicted.
“The average taxpayer does not have the means,” Vaughn siad. “There’s more financial aid available to illegal immigrants than there is for the average taxpayer.”
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Okay then... based on what you said, what does Ford and General Motors sending jobs overseas have to do with Immigation?
You DO know that American companies are sending manufacturing jobs to China and Indo-China, right? Those workers are not looking for jobs in the manufacturing sector... the jobs the immigrants are taking are overwhelmigly the no-skill/low-skill jobs... like picking tomatoes, for example.
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The basis of this thread are your rants on immigrants in this country... i just don't understand how you think that jobs shipped off to China will stop unskilled labor from seeking farming jobs up here. The only way to grant your wishes is to either ship the farming (no-skill/low-skill) jobs to Mexico and point south.... or what? What do you propose as a solution? What?
Without the cheap labor.. who is going to pick the tomatoes? And what are those Americans going to get paid for doing so?
Hail, Hail!!!
Fact Check:
http://www.news965.com/news/news/local/tsa-agent-arrested-orlando-bringing-illegal-aliens/nZwhs/
"The US Department of Justice has announced that a TSA agent has been arrested for bringing illegal aliens into the United States.
Today, David Alexander Díaz-Torres, Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Officer, was arrested by special agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in Orlando, FL, for conspiracy to transport illegal aliens within the United States, announced U.S. Attorney for the District of Puerto Rico, Rosa Emilia Rodríguez-Vélez. Díaz-Torres was charged on September 10, 2013, in a 13-count superseding indictment with five other individuals for bringing, transporting, harboring and shielding illegal aliens within the United States.
On August 7, 2013, Rafael Severino, Eduard Bueno-Beltrán, Luis Raul Sierra-Conde, Juan Severino-Basora and Esther Mary Sánchez-Cruz were indicted for participating in a scheme to bring illegal aliens to the United States. On March 24, 2012, a group of Brazilian nationals were smuggled by an unidentified female to New York through the Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico. It is alleged that David A. Díaz-Torres assisted two co-defendants in smuggling the group of Brazilians by allowing them to pass the security checkpoint area without being questioned. The group continued to New York, Boston and Philadelphia on board commercial flights. "
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One TSA Agent was involved, not the entire TSA organization. The airport was in San Juan, Puerto Rico... not Chicago O'Hare.
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This is a good example how a seemingly intelligent person can be his worst enemy by sensationalizing an event to rationalize a very specific political objective.
Unless you misunderstood and thought the TSA had already smuggled in a Brazillion Foriegn Nationals in to the U.S. In that case, I understand why you posted this.
Hail, Hail!!!
So the libertarians are just like dems and republicants. Skew shit to further agenda.
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I don't want to scare you... but, i just learned that these next generation smart munitions can be converted from military use to non-lethal police use.
What these weapons are used for is suppression of hostile fire in tight urban environments. They were initially used for recon operations to pinpoint hostile targets. Equipped with cameras, these very small remotely controled drones could peer through windows and on roofs with very little detection. Once the target has been identified, U.S. firepower can be brought to bear and destroy the intended target.
The cool/scary thing about these drones is that they can be delivered in a package and break off into multiple, independent drones to cover several areas at the same time. Think of something the size of an over inflated basketball that can break off into a dozen or so baseballs that can all travel in different directions.
Later, these drones were armed with small, lightweight explosives... mini grenades. The suicide drones could be flown into very close proximity of the target and set off. The explosive charge would unleash small pieces of anti-personel schrapnel. Imagine twin M-80s in a jar with a bunch of aluminum sheet metal screws blowing up above your head. It may not kill you, but you won't be firing that AK at troops hiding behind their HMMWV down the street any more. You can expect them to kick in the door and finish you off within the next minute or so.
NOW... these things are in development for use by domestic police forces. They won't be armed with those mini grenades, but they will be able to deliver tear gas or taser wires to the place you are barricaded behind. They can also be used as recon systems in large crowd events, such as the Super Bowl and used in case there is a riot by tactically dispursing the crowd and herding them towards awaiting police forces.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/11/Exclusive-TSA-Allowing-Illegals-to-Fly-Without-Verifiable-ID-Says-Border-Patrol-Union&ei=epbAU8ukCeT6sgevjIGIAQ&wsc=yh
Mexicans seeking a new life. Americans clinging to some semblance of their old life. The old life is gone for both countries and both countries are at the root of the change.
In my opinion, the drug cartels that cater to USA recreational drug use have eroded the Mexican culture to the point where honest Mexicans seeking a modest life pack up their belongings and risk much- seeking a new life just a few miles over the border.
It's easy to say, "Do it legally." That's leaving much to chance that doesn't favour the typical Mexican seeking refuge from a country that is losing its soul.
If one was honest with themselves, they would look at almost every individual case and weigh in favour of supporting their endeavour to seek a new life. Can one honestly be so callous to turn an 11 year old from their border? If so, then what have we become?