Prediction: Concert Seating Will Change

DopeyBoy · July 2006

Can't see them changning it, that would just be dumb!
Although it wouldn't be too hard to implement the "hometown" idea, I still don't see them changing things, not that dramatically at least.
Just because a few spoiled babies can't get front row, they're not gonna change things. I've been to 8 shows and never been closer than 18th row, but hell, I'm just happy to be in the building, let alone that close!
Enjoy the tickets you get, and don't bitch unless you have a real reason!!!

Peace
:-p

meme · July 2006

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

I doubt that actually. I don't see the band ditching the seated set-up as they get older- that just defies conventional wisdom. Plus I think US venues are better equiped for seated floor plans than most European ones are.

I can only hope. My number is in the 300,000, but since I'm 35 I'm pretty content with my mid-floor or side seats.
Of course in Milan I'll be in front row though. Once in a while...

Reno1979 · July 2006

Uh.. my number is quite low... My own wants and desires would I guess be to leave it the way it is, since I had no worse than 15 rows back in four shows I bought 10c for on this tour.

The better option for the whole, in my opinion is to mix things up. The scalping thing is just not an issue... You don't get your tickets until right up before the show. There might be a small percentage who would show up and sell them outside, but that happens now. Trust me, I just saw it in Denver.

I think you should go try to get some price quotes on custome socks. I did this sort of thing in a past career, and you would be surprised how custom printing and stitching goes up in price once you aren't working with T-shirts. Or you can just laugh at me like the elitist you seem to portray so well.

SoonForgotten2 · July 2006

Reno1979 wrote:

I think you should go try to get some price quotes on custome socks. I did this sort of thing in a past career, and you would be surprised how custom printing and stitching goes up in price once you aren't working with T-shirts. Or you can just laugh at me like the elitist you seem to portray so well.

Yes, reselling is done now even with the system in place as it is. Imagine how bad it would be were this not the case. It would also enable scalpers to quickly join 10C come tour time and resell the tickets. The current system discourages that pretty well.

And yes, I am such an elitist for questiong your sock expertise. I said nothing personal, but I guess socks are just to near and dear to your heart to not take offense. But really, custom socks? Are they tailoring at the arenas for each buyers own foot? It's a logo sewn onto either a black or white sock. Maybe if they're hand sewn onto hand knitted socks made from hand picked cotton then I could understand the $15.

pjhawks · July 2006

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

None of that matters. The point is simply you do not fuck with your best customers. I think that's a pretty simple business guideline. Ten Club has nothing to gain by making any of the suggested changes. Doing so would serve to alienate their most loyal customers. Why should 10C, as business (which they are) do that?

well because isn't it better to serve and please the masses than a few hundred fans? If there are like 50,000 fans wouldn't it be better to give 45,000 of them at least an occasional chance at the best seats, then allowing the same 5,000 to always get them? In a business sense pleasing the 45,000 would be greater. I'm not judging right or wrong on this, just pointing out the possible business reasons for a change.

SoonForgotten2 · July 2006

pjhawks wrote:

well because isn't it better to serve and please the masses than a few hundred fans? If there are like 50,000 fans wouldn't it be better to give 45,000 of them at least an occasional chance at the best seats, then allowing the same 5,000 to always get them? In a business sense pleasing the 45,000 would be greater. I'm not judging right or wrong on this, just pointing out the possible business reasons for a change.

But you already have those joining based on the system. The backlash of changing it would likely outweigh the initial profits of the change. People may complain about the way seating is allotted by they are still buying tickets and memberships. If you're 10C, why rock that boat?

mulder11 · July 2006

Why does this subject continue to be raised by those members with higher membership numbers? It wasn't a surprise how seating was done when you joined. I've been a member for 10 years, best seats I got was this tour, 11th row. I'm moving up as the years go by, and I don't complain about it. I too was one of the new members back in the day and it continues to pay off. I don't need to email the 10club offering suggestions on a process that has worked for 12+ years.

obiwon76 · July 2006

Funny how these type of requests are often initiated by those who are dissapointed with their seats. Why would the 10C change the system? Fan Clubs are supposed to reward the people who have been there the longest. I've been mailing in my 10C fees for the past 10 years and it's paid off.

Sexy2aFault · July 2006

Reno1979 wrote:

Do you know what it costs to design, and have made a smallish run of custom SOCKS? I do. Probably about 5 to 7 dollars a pair. Seems high, but trust me, custom stuff like that is expensive. So they double their money or so. A limited run, ultra rare concert poster costs $25. They would still sell the same amount if they charged $75. Their tickets are cheap for a band of their size playing in the venues they play. The could easily make 5-15 more a ticket. If by limiting the amount of "upfront cuz I been here since forever" seats will really drive away fans, then I have mistaken how much these "LOYAL" fans really love the band. I would think putting new people up front would actually grow the hardcore, rabid fanbase. Trust me.. my first upfront experience changed who I felt and viewed Pearl Jam forever. Now we just have bedpost notchers in the first few rows.

Reno is correct, plus it has to be disappointing to see 35 year old fellas in the front row for every show who really do not want to hear WWS into Severed into Corduroy, so they act like they have anemia..... I hate those guys. Loyal or not, they do not deserve how good they have it now, they should put a limit on the best seats to maybe two a 10C member per tour.. So that way a Bostonite could have a good seat to either Boston shows, or use one of of his premium seats for a Hartford..

The rest of the tour he should get average 10C seats.

Reno1979 · July 2006

Why is it funny? Of course the people who aren't happy will raise their voice. HELLO? I support a change. For the good of the whole. My number is 103XXX. Everyone with a low number should still get ONE show based on their seniority. A tip of the cap for long time faithfulness. After that, just do it randomly.

Even between us with lower numbers I don't think it is quite fair. Let's say I am in Philly and have number 140XXX. That puts me on the side or back on the floor in the current system due to all the people on the east coast who travel to so many shows. Great side seat, or good middle floor seats. If you had a better system. that would put the same person way up front, in their home town. I just think I would gladly sit a bit farther back, and have some equity. My opinions... not the gospel.

Reno1979 · July 2006

The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..

TWHolt · July 2006

Motown322 wrote:

My guess would be, "Stop crying about the tickets, you f**king babies."

You have a low number.

SoonForgotten2 · July 2006

Reno1979 wrote:

Even between us with lower numbers I don't think it is quite fair. Let's say I am in Philly and have number 140XXX. That puts me on the side or back on the floor in the current system due to all the people on the east coast who travel to so many shows. Great side seat, or good middle floor seats. If you had a better system. that would put the same person way up front, in their home town. I just think I would gladly sit a bit farther back, and have some equity. My opinions... not the gospel.

Some people have to travel and have no hometown where Pearl Jam actually plays. Others get 2-3 "hometown" shows per tour, so what would be fair then? Shall 10C also accomodate for people who have to work the day of the show or have some other obligations and therefore want to transfer their "hometown" show to somewhere else? What about people who live right in the middle of two shows? There will always be someone complaining about how they distribute tickets, no matter what the case is.

dont_go_on_me · July 2006

Reno1979 wrote:

The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..

it's really not that hard to sell an extra ticket. If you put the tiniest bit of effort into it you shouldn't have a problem.

SoonForgotten2 · July 2006

Reno1979 wrote:

The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..

This I agree with. But then again, 10C is a business and wants to sell as many tickets as possible. They can make people buy 2 regardless of whether or not they need them, because better the 2 than none at all.

TWHolt · July 2006

Reno1979 wrote:

The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..

One change at a time. Then we work on that one.

dont_go_on_me · July 2006

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

This I agree with. But then again, 10C is a business and wants to sell as many tickets as possible. They can make people buy 2 regardless of whether or not they need them, because better the 2 than none at all.

this may mess up the seniority factor as well. Most rows on the floors are even numbered so in the first row if everyone except 1 person has 2 tickets, then what happens? The first person in the second row doesn't sit with their ticket partner? Or does the next person in line that bought only one ticket get bumped up to first row?

TWHolt · July 2006

neartodeath wrote:

exactly the point

u2's fan club was a complete disaster because they allowed anyone to join, and people signed up in droves, and later they found out that people were joining just to scalp tickets

if you make it more fair for the new people who just joined, you are opening up the potential to having scalpers abuse the 10c allottment. right now it's the fans who are up front and they bought their tickets at list price

There are other methods to reduce scalpers....put your name on your 10C ticket perhaps...or 10C number.

dont_go_on_me · July 2006

Boozer wrote:

Lots of other methods to reduce scalpers....put your name on your 10C ticket perhaps.

so the ushers have to ask for ID everytime you go to your seat?

leadbedr10 · July 2006

Im sure this is mainly an east coast problem.
Look at the 4 NJ shows, almost 1400 10c members.
There is almost more at those 4 shows than the whole second leg.
I wish they would do something about a hometown show, but since im on the east coast it really wouldnt help me much.

Prediction: Concert Seating Will Change

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