The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..
Even between us with lower numbers I don't think it is quite fair. Let's say I am in Philly and have number 140XXX. That puts me on the side or back on the floor in the current system due to all the people on the east coast who travel to so many shows. Great side seat, or good middle floor seats. If you had a better system. that would put the same person way up front, in their home town. I just think I would gladly sit a bit farther back, and have some equity. My opinions... not the gospel.
Some people have to travel and have no hometown where Pearl Jam actually plays. Others get 2-3 "hometown" shows per tour, so what would be fair then? Shall 10C also accomodate for people who have to work the day of the show or have some other obligations and therefore want to transfer their "hometown" show to somewhere else? What about people who live right in the middle of two shows? There will always be someone complaining about how they distribute tickets, no matter what the case is.
The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..
it's really not that hard to sell an extra ticket. If you put the tiniest bit of effort into it you shouldn't have a problem.
"I'll do whatever the song dictates - if it doesn't need a real lead, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I'll fuckin' go off." - Mike
"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..
This I agree with. But then again, 10C is a business and wants to sell as many tickets as possible. They can make people buy 2 regardless of whether or not they need them, because better the 2 than none at all.
The other change, and I have posted this before, that I think is a NO BRAINER, is to let 10c members buy single tickets. Ridiculous how many empty seats in prime areas have actually gone EMPTY on this tour. I didn't believe it until I saw it in NJ and DC. Trying to sell your extra, SUCKS. Not all of us have girlfriends or boyfriends who will go to five shows a tour. Eh hem..
This I agree with. But then again, 10C is a business and wants to sell as many tickets as possible. They can make people buy 2 regardless of whether or not they need them, because better the 2 than none at all.
this may mess up the seniority factor as well. Most rows on the floors are even numbered so in the first row if everyone except 1 person has 2 tickets, then what happens? The first person in the second row doesn't sit with their ticket partner? Or does the next person in line that bought only one ticket get bumped up to first row?
"I'll do whatever the song dictates - if it doesn't need a real lead, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I'll fuckin' go off." - Mike
"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
u2's fan club was a complete disaster because they allowed anyone to join, and people signed up in droves, and later they found out that people were joining just to scalp tickets
if you make it more fair for the new people who just joined, you are opening up the potential to having scalpers abuse the 10c allottment. right now it's the fans who are up front and they bought their tickets at list price
There are other methods to reduce scalpers....put your name on your 10C ticket perhaps...or 10C number.
Lots of other methods to reduce scalpers....put your name on your 10C ticket perhaps.
so the ushers have to ask for ID everytime you go to your seat?
"I'll do whatever the song dictates - if it doesn't need a real lead, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I'll fuckin' go off." - Mike
"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
Im sure this is mainly an east coast problem.
Look at the 4 NJ shows, almost 1400 10c members.
There is almost more at those 4 shows than the whole second leg.
I wish they would do something about a hometown show, but since im on the east coast it really wouldnt help me much.
Um... I have sold tickets.. I have also had morons not show or just never call back. I will stand by my stance of selling your extra, SUCKS. I have put effort in.. and much more than the "tiniest bit", Mr. Elitist.
If there is an extra seat in a row, I am sure somone will buy it.
Let me also say this. I really don't like the term "Hometown System". I will never use it again. I live in the middle of nowhere, MD. They will not be setting up the stage here anytime soon. I thought it was fairly obvious however, that what we mean is, LET EVERYONE HAVE ONE SHOW (WHO CARES WHERE) BASED ON SENIORITY.
I'd suggest you do the same. It's your very own "wants and desires" to change a system that works very well into something that benefits you and your situation for the best. This whole "10C needs to do something with the tickets because I'M getting screwed" crap is such an old bit around here. When you joined, you knew that seniority was the way tickets were handled. I can't understand why it comes as such a shock that people who have been in the 10C for 10+ years might go to more than one show and they're sitting in front of you.
No one is shocked Mo. Just requesting a change. Like you've never posted any ideas on this board.....do you feel threatened?
Not particularly... 141xxx. I just get tired of the whining about a system that works. It's not going to be an optimal situation for everyone no matter what you do. How do you determine "hometown"?? By state? If I live in Marquette, MI, it's much closer for me to go to Milwaukee, Chicago or Minneapolis than Detroit... what if I live in Florida where they're not playing? What's my "hometown" show then?
Try your luck through Ticketmaster if you're pissed about the 10C seats. You'll probably be disappointed with them.
and here's where the just because you've been in the fanclun longer doesn't mean you're a bigger fan (because it doesn't). sorry for being 7 when they first came out. sorry my parents don't go to concerts. i just killed the seniority arguement.
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stop allready the american tour is on it's last leg don't people believe that 10c has looked at all options of distribution of tickets come on they have been doing this since when certanly before "98 ,man i do miss when not too many people new about 10c it was way better nobody bitched i hope they keep this system.
and here's where the just because you've been in the fanclun longer doesn't mean you're a bigger fan (because it doesn't). sorry for being 7 when they first came out. sorry my parents don't go to concerts. i just killed the seniority arguement.
It doesn't mean that, but it's the only indicator 10C has to go on. Seniority isn't about who has been a fan for longer. it's about who has literally paid their dues to the fan club longest. I think that's a fairly simple concept.
No one is shocked Mo. Just requesting a change. Like you've never posted any ideas on this board.....do you feel threatened?
No, not threatened at all... post away. It's just a tired old bit. You can't please everyone. 99% of the people who want them to change the setup do so because they want better seats, but they post under the guise of "for the greater good of all the lower-number 10C members". It's no less selfish a move by them than the people around here with 10+ years into the club saying the system works fine and them getting blasted because "you must have a low number".
higher. more recently joining members of this fan club should not have and do not deserve any say in this matter. i totally understand where they are coming from in wanting to have the chance to sit closer but they shouldnt have a say. we have been paying this club loyally and buying everything and anything they put in front of our faces since 1992 on. loyalty should be rewarded not penalized. i agree there are way too many testosterone raged dudes in the first 10 rows. but that isnt there fault that 'do the evolution' was written about them. you cannot fault a fan for wanting to be there for every show and buy everything the band sells.
so there is no logical or fair way for the system to completely overhaul without screwing those who have stood by you when most fans over 250xxx didnt even know that no code or yield were ever released albums.
loyalty means being loyal and it means always being there good or bad. and to try and mess with that to get a little more vibe in the first many rows just doesnt make sense.
the only way i see it fair is if every 10th ticket pair issued were randomly given to members that are out of that lot for the first 20 rows say. whatever...point being that there is a lottery for newer members to potentially get some great seats.
and i am not trying to be a jerk. save my name and pm me next time there is a show and if i have sweet 6th row seats and can take someone who wants that experience i will be glad to
We will continue to bitch, moan, cry and raise our voice. Check yourself. I am sick of people telling me to "shut up", or "quit whining" and "be happy". This is fucking America, bitches....
Who's job is it now to stop scalping? security? 10C? Judge Judy? Do you have any ideas to permanently eliminate scalping?
Pearl Jam attempts to limit scalping via 10C- making tickets available the day of and yes, by assuring that people joining just prior to a tour kicking off do not get prime seats that they can then mark up. It's not their job to do this but it is their perogative. They are looking out for their fans. I don't think security has any fans to look out for.
I just don't understand how limiting your "choice seats" to one show per tour, or even leg of a tour, you are getting "screwed"? REally? Wow. And you above me to say that anyone with a high number has no say.. Really? So my voice with a number 103XXX should be heard and Mr. 267XXX should be ignored? REally?
and here's where the just because you've been in the fanclun longer doesn't mean you're a bigger fan (because it doesn't). sorry for being 7 when they first came out. sorry my parents don't go to concerts. i just killed the seniority arguement.
Yeah, you sure did. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for that gem.
I'm gonna try that argument with my boss today... "I should get 6 weeks of vacation like you do, Bob. Who cares if I've only worked here 7 years instead of the 20 you've put in. Sorry I was only 15 when you started. Sorry I didn't come here and work earlier. I've earned 'em."
No, not threatened at all... post away. It's just a tired old bit. You can't please everyone. 99% of the people who want them to change the setup do so because they want better seats, but they post under the guise of "for the greater good of all the lower-number 10C members". It's no less selfish a move by them than the people around here with 10+ years into the club saying the system works fine and them getting blasted because "you must have a low number".
Don't mean to blast though...personally I think it's great for all the low numbers to have a chance at close view and I think it's great that I am pretty much guaranteed a seat in the house for any show I desire. 10C have done a amazing job with everything. But this change that has been mentioned will always peak my interest...I apologize guys.
Yeah, you sure did. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for that gem.
I'm gonna try that argument with my boss today... "I should get 6 weeks of vacation like you do, Bob. Who cares if I've only worked here 7 years instead of the 20 you've put in. Sorry I was only 15 when you started. Sorry I didn't come here and work earlier. I've earned 'em."
I have a pretty low number, and haven't been farther back than 8th row on the past two tours. But I agree that it's annoying to have the same people in the front couple of rows at every show. I agree that 10c members should have priority seating for one show per tour and sort of random seating for any other shows they want to go to. I'm not saying that brand new members have a shot at front row - it would go by seniority for the people who choose priority for that particular show. Doesn't the band get tired of seeing the same exact people in the front row every time? I think it's funny that some with low numbers get so defensive when we know that the really low 10C numbers are pretty darn arbitrary anyway.
The system in place now has NOT been in place for 12+ years. We used to only be able to get 10c tickets to one show per leg of the tour. We used to have block assignments, but not seat assignments. We used to have to MAIL in our ticket requests (and yes, this was in the age of the internet). So yes, things DO change. I've seen it happen.
I think the whole "You get one concert to sit according to your number and the rest will be average" will take too much work. My number is 397XXX and i agree that the veteran 10C members should have better seats. You snooze, you lose. I am, however, in favor of making the seating random instead. If you're a diehard fan and attend 5-6 shows in your region, I'm sure you will get a few spectacular seats at random for at least one or two of the shows. And the others will still be good because they're 10c seats.
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You know what? I wish PJ would change to only playing GA venues. Then everyone can bitch about having to wait in line all day long and about not being able to show up early enough and about not being able to buy a poster (or doing so and having it crushed). At least you fuckers get a good seat, regardless of 10C number without having to wait all bloody day for it and being able to use the loo between the opening act and PJ without losing your spot.
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You have a low number.
Some people have to travel and have no hometown where Pearl Jam actually plays. Others get 2-3 "hometown" shows per tour, so what would be fair then? Shall 10C also accomodate for people who have to work the day of the show or have some other obligations and therefore want to transfer their "hometown" show to somewhere else? What about people who live right in the middle of two shows? There will always be someone complaining about how they distribute tickets, no matter what the case is.
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"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
This I agree with. But then again, 10C is a business and wants to sell as many tickets as possible. They can make people buy 2 regardless of whether or not they need them, because better the 2 than none at all.
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One change at a time. Then we work on that one.
"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
There are other methods to reduce scalpers....put your name on your 10C ticket perhaps...or 10C number.
"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
Look at the 4 NJ shows, almost 1400 10c members.
There is almost more at those 4 shows than the whole second leg.
I wish they would do something about a hometown show, but since im on the east coast it really wouldnt help me much.
That leaves it up to security to stop scalping then, which isn't going to happen. What motivation would they really have to enforce that?
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If there is an extra seat in a row, I am sure somone will buy it.
Let me also say this. I really don't like the term "Hometown System". I will never use it again. I live in the middle of nowhere, MD. They will not be setting up the stage here anytime soon. I thought it was fairly obvious however, that what we mean is, LET EVERYONE HAVE ONE SHOW (WHO CARES WHERE) BASED ON SENIORITY.
No one is shocked Mo. Just requesting a change. Like you've never posted any ideas on this board.....do you feel threatened?
Not particularly... 141xxx. I just get tired of the whining about a system that works. It's not going to be an optimal situation for everyone no matter what you do. How do you determine "hometown"?? By state? If I live in Marquette, MI, it's much closer for me to go to Milwaukee, Chicago or Minneapolis than Detroit... what if I live in Florida where they're not playing? What's my "hometown" show then?
Try your luck through Ticketmaster if you're pissed about the 10C seats. You'll probably be disappointed with them.
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Who's job is it now to stop scalping? security? 10C? Judge Judy? Do you have any ideas to permanently eliminate scalping?
It doesn't mean that, but it's the only indicator 10C has to go on. Seniority isn't about who has been a fan for longer. it's about who has literally paid their dues to the fan club longest. I think that's a fairly simple concept.
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No, not threatened at all... post away. It's just a tired old bit. You can't please everyone. 99% of the people who want them to change the setup do so because they want better seats, but they post under the guise of "for the greater good of all the lower-number 10C members". It's no less selfish a move by them than the people around here with 10+ years into the club saying the system works fine and them getting blasted because "you must have a low number".
so there is no logical or fair way for the system to completely overhaul without screwing those who have stood by you when most fans over 250xxx didnt even know that no code or yield were ever released albums.
loyalty means being loyal and it means always being there good or bad. and to try and mess with that to get a little more vibe in the first many rows just doesnt make sense.
the only way i see it fair is if every 10th ticket pair issued were randomly given to members that are out of that lot for the first 20 rows say. whatever...point being that there is a lottery for newer members to potentially get some great seats.
and i am not trying to be a jerk. save my name and pm me next time there is a show and if i have sweet 6th row seats and can take someone who wants that experience i will be glad to
Pearl Jam attempts to limit scalping via 10C- making tickets available the day of and yes, by assuring that people joining just prior to a tour kicking off do not get prime seats that they can then mark up. It's not their job to do this but it is their perogative. They are looking out for their fans. I don't think security has any fans to look out for.
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Yeah, you sure did. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for that gem.
I'm gonna try that argument with my boss today... "I should get 6 weeks of vacation like you do, Bob. Who cares if I've only worked here 7 years instead of the 20 you've put in. Sorry I was only 15 when you started. Sorry I didn't come here and work earlier. I've earned 'em."
Don't mean to blast though...personally I think it's great for all the low numbers to have a chance at close view and I think it's great that I am pretty much guaranteed a seat in the house for any show I desire. 10C have done a amazing job with everything. But this change that has been mentioned will always peak my interest...I apologize guys.
Heh. Nice.
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The system in place now has NOT been in place for 12+ years. We used to only be able to get 10c tickets to one show per leg of the tour. We used to have block assignments, but not seat assignments. We used to have to MAIL in our ticket requests (and yes, this was in the age of the internet). So yes, things DO change. I've seen it happen.
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