i personally think they did. we all no that they change there setlists more than any other band,like what has happened to song such as bushleaguer,thin air,garden,etc
I dunno if I'd call it "playing it safe", but I think they've been going for the same vibe from show to show, for the most part, for the last several years.
Still great shows, I'm sure, but they make for less interesting tours as a whole.
I think generally the sets were more mixed up on the US '13 shows than recent years. The band openly admitted before Lightning Bolt was released that they felt the sets on the previous few tours were more playing it safe.
I think Ed and the guys do a great job with the sets - you have to get the right balance between hardcore, causal and new fans and also get the flow of the set right too. They certainly do that.
2000: Manchester
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes 2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
It's not just Bushleaguer though. They don't play any of their politically driven covers anymore. Gimme Some Truth, Masters of War, No War, I Am a Patriot, etc. Personally, I think those songs are just as relevant now as they were ten years ago. Just because we aren't officially at war doesn't mean there are no injustices being carried out by our government.
I'm not sure I'd use the same words as the OP, but the shows are a bit more predictable, that is for sure. I think they are doing it for a reason though. They want to play polished and well executed shows. They are playing large venues and charging a lot of money. I think they care a bit more about the product than they used to. There is nothing wrong with that.
It has thrown a lot of us (me) for a loop though, because one of the reasons many of us like this band is that we just never know what is going to happen next. I appreciate polished nature of the 2013 shows, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss some of the more random moments from the 90's tours, 2000 and 2003.
I agree. I was happy with the setlists from the shows that i attended.
Detroit 03, Toronto 03, Toledo 04, Kitchener 05, London 05, Cleveland 06, Detroit 06, Cincinnati 06, Chicago 07, Mansfield 08, EV Chicago 08, East Troy 11, Pensacola 12, EV Jax 12, Wrigley 13, Pittsburgh 13, Dallas 13, OKC 13, Detroit 14, Ft Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jax 16, Sea 18
I saw 5 shows this tour and saw absolutely nothing missing from the setlists compared to previous tours where I saw multiple shows. They averaged 30 songs a show and I saw some songs that I had only seen once or twice (if ever) in 37 previous shows like All Those Yesterdays, Fatal, Other Side and Alone.
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JOHN PAUL JONES ARENA CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA Tue 29 October, 2013
SET 1 Pendulum Release In My Tree Corduroy Go Why Go Lightning Bolt Mind Your Manners I Am Mine Swallowed Whole Faithfull Wishlist Sirens Jeremy Grievance Glorified G The Fixer Down Rearviewmirror
ENCORE 1 The End Thumbing My Way Sleight Of Hand Footsteps Future Days Mother Given To Fly Whipping Big Wave Sad Porch
ENCORE 2 Breath State Of Love And Trust Alive Baba O'Riley Little Wing
JOBING.COM ARENA PHOENIX, AZ Tue 19 November, 2013
SET 1 Long Road Release Low Light Interstellar Overdrive Corduroy Lightning Bolt Mind Your Manners Given To Fly Getaway Yellow Moon Even Flow Sirens Daughter Wishlist Infallible Do The Evolution Once 1/2 Full Better Man Go
ENCORE 1 Bee Girl Around The Bend Future Days Hard To Imagine Footsteps Jeremy Alone Down Unthought Known Porch
ENCORE 2 Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town Spin The Black Circle Alive Rockin' In The Free World Indifference
This is non sense. Setlists are so varied its not even funny. I witnessed Release and Oceans in one show. Only predictable part is the last 3 songs. That's it.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I mean no disrespect, but is this a joke? These were far more varied than in recent years..
1998-06-30 Minneapolis
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2 2018-06-18 London 1 2018-08-18 Wrigley 1 2018-08-20 Wrigley 2 2022-09-16 Nashville 2023-08-31 St. Paul 2023-09-02 St. Paul 2023-09-05 Chicago 1
Set-to-set structure has definitely become more predictable. However, with the exception of about 10 songs this tour, the set contents were much less predictable than any tour in recent memory (though jumping from roughly 28 songs per show to 33 certainly helped). Lots of tour stops had songs that didn't appear at any other show. It was a pretty good year to see multiple shows.
It's like going to an orgy and having sex with many people......I'm still going to "play it safe" and wear a condom. Just saying, PJ set lists are like an orgy, not monogamy.
Not in the slightest. Who would have predicted the formula for last year's tour? They made a better overall structure to the shows which I guess picky people will call them being predictable but my making it this way they're producing something for everyone at a really high standard and into the bargain started doing 3 hours or more every show. In addition to that they are dropping in songs that we just wouldn't normally expect or are unusually placed just for the surprise element and seemingly paying attention to more requests which adds something more unique. I don't think they are playing it safe any more than they did on any tour since they started releasing all the shows. I have listened to 90% of the shows since then and there's always surprises. The favourites are there to stay and they will always plug the new release until they tire of it. Funnily enough despite the collective age of the guys the energy and vibe at the shows is at a level unseen in a long time too and there's a hell of a lot of new fans every year. If you are feeling short changed by PJ shows then you must be very hard to satisfy and do we really need to hear so many covers politically charged or not?
Like a book among the many on a shelf...
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
Seriously,if there are fans out there,didnt understand the fact that with usa 13 tour the band pass to different upper level,wel,then.. nothing will make them happy then..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think the setlists are varied more than any other band I can think of.
I did a quick count the other day and I think that of the 127 songs from the 10 studio albums, 109 where played during the us leg of the 2013 tour. I think this is incredible. Obviously to add in the lost dogs stuff, other rarities and covers gives even more variation and considering some of the other throw away tracks on vitalogy/riot act etc are unlikely to be played live.
2006: Leeds; 2012: Manchester 1; 2014: Leeds; 2017: London 1 (EV); 2018: Amsterdam 1, London 1, London 2; 2019: Amsterdam 1 (EV), Dublin (EV); 2022: Berlin, London 1, London 2, Budapest, Krakow, Amsterdam 1, Amsterdam 2; 2023: Chicago 1, Chicago 2
No - Ed demonstrated a rather masterful job this past tour mixing up the set lists and changing them up from most recent years. I think they as a band went into the tour with a focus to challenge themselves to raise the bar on this tour in terms of set lists. Plus most all of the shows on this tour were pushing close to 3 hours.
A completely new diverse, mixed set to appease hardcore/casual/news fans each night while pushing close to a 3 hour show is one of the largest reasons why they're the best professional live band in the business.
Bristow, VA - 5.13.10
East Troy, WI - 9.3.11
East Troy, WI - 9.4.11
Atlanta, GA - 9.22.12
Las Vegas, NV - 10.31.12 (EV)
Las Vegas, NV - 11.1.12 (EV)
Chicago, IL - 7.19.13
Dallas, TX - 11.15.13
Oklahoma City, OK - 11.16.13
Seattle, WA - 12.6.13
Lincoln, NE - 10.9.14
Moline, IL - 10.17.14
St. Paul, MN - 10.19.14
Milwaukee, WI - 10.20.14
New York, NY - 5.1.16
New York, NY - 5.2.16
Boston, MA - 8.5.16
Boston, MA - 8.7.16
Chicago, IL - 8.20.16
Seriously,if there are fans out there,didnt understand the fact that with usa 13 tour the band pass to different upper level,wel,then.. nothing will make them happy then..
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Still great shows, I'm sure, but they make for less interesting tours as a whole.
I heard thin air in Oakland
I think Ed and the guys do a great job with the sets - you have to get the right balance between hardcore, causal and new fans and also get the flow of the set right too. They certainly do that.
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
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I'm not sure I'd use the same words as the OP, but the shows are a bit more predictable, that is for sure. I think they are doing it for a reason though. They want to play polished and well executed shows. They are playing large venues and charging a lot of money. I think they care a bit more about the product than they used to. There is nothing wrong with that.
It has thrown a lot of us (me) for a loop though, because one of the reasons many of us like this band is that we just never know what is going to happen next. I appreciate polished nature of the 2013 shows, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss some of the more random moments from the 90's tours, 2000 and 2003.
All things change.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA
Tue 29 October, 2013
SET 1
Pendulum
Release
In My Tree
Corduroy
Go
Why Go
Lightning Bolt
Mind Your Manners
I Am Mine
Swallowed Whole
Faithfull
Wishlist
Sirens
Jeremy
Grievance
Glorified G
The Fixer
Down
Rearviewmirror
ENCORE 1
The End
Thumbing My Way
Sleight Of Hand
Footsteps
Future Days
Mother
Given To Fly
Whipping
Big Wave
Sad
Porch
ENCORE 2
Breath
State Of Love And Trust
Alive
Baba O'Riley
Little Wing
JOBING.COM ARENA
PHOENIX, AZ
Tue 19 November, 2013
SET 1
Long Road
Release
Low Light
Interstellar Overdrive
Corduroy
Lightning Bolt
Mind Your Manners
Given To Fly
Getaway
Yellow Moon
Even Flow
Sirens
Daughter
Wishlist
Infallible
Do The Evolution
Once
1/2 Full
Better Man
Go
ENCORE 1
Bee Girl
Around The Bend
Future Days
Hard To Imagine
Footsteps
Jeremy
Alone
Down
Unthought Known
Porch
ENCORE 2
Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town
Spin The Black Circle
Alive
Rockin' In The Free World
Indifference
EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
Just saying, PJ set lists are like an orgy, not monogamy.
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
nothing will make them happy then..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I did a quick count the other day and I think that of the 127 songs from the 10 studio albums, 109 where played during the us leg of the 2013 tour. I think this is incredible. Obviously to add in the lost dogs stuff, other rarities and covers gives even more variation and considering some of the other throw away tracks on vitalogy/riot act etc are unlikely to be played live.
A completely new diverse, mixed set to appease hardcore/casual/news fans each night while pushing close to a 3 hour show is one of the largest reasons why they're the best professional live band in the business.
East Troy, WI - 9.3.11
East Troy, WI - 9.4.11
Atlanta, GA - 9.22.12
Las Vegas, NV - 10.31.12 (EV)
Las Vegas, NV - 11.1.12 (EV)
Chicago, IL - 7.19.13
Dallas, TX - 11.15.13
Oklahoma City, OK - 11.16.13
Seattle, WA - 12.6.13
Lincoln, NE - 10.9.14
Moline, IL - 10.17.14
St. Paul, MN - 10.19.14
Milwaukee, WI - 10.20.14
New York, NY - 5.1.16
New York, NY - 5.2.16
Boston, MA - 8.5.16
Boston, MA - 8.7.16
Chicago, IL - 8.20.16