Pearl jame gives and gives- Seattle crowd shows no respect.

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  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    i don't have a dog in this fight because i will never judge a crowd at a show i have never attended, but a question for seattle residents...

    is pearl jam looked upon as that popular high school kid that never left town, never moved after graduating and growing up? you just kind of get so used to seeing them in and around the city (small city) after being a band for 20+ years it's hard for non-hardcore fans/residents to really get excited about them anymore?

    they just kind of become... there

    any thoughts or opinions?
  • burgburg Posts: 20
    I met 10x's the people that were not from Seattle (NYC, Houston, Mexico, Boston, Other east coast locations...) at this show...I'm local and was at the show - but I would venture to say a good % of folks at the show were not from the greater seattle area... that being said, I though the energy was OK - but not great.. it was still a great show.
  • rival. wrote:
    i don't have a dog in this fight because i will never judge a crowd at a show i have never attended, but a question for seattle residents...

    is pearl jam looked upon as that popular high school kid that never left town, never moved after graduating and growing up? you just kind of get so used to seeing them in and around the city (small city) after being a band for 20+ years it's hard for non-hardcore fans/residents to really get excited about them anymore?

    they just kind of become... there

    any thoughts or opinions?

    Yes my thought is when a concert sells out in like a minute that fanbase wherever they are from for the Seattle show is hardcore. Probably the people who weren't loud didn't pay for the tickets. All i know is that in the 200 sections where almost everybody PAID for their tickets people were dancing and singing and having the time of their lives. If we thought of them as the band that never left town why would every concert be an instant sell out? Also being from outside Seattle and living here for 10 years Seattle Crowds are always different. That being said I thought they rocked for a Seattle crowd and I thought PJ showed an energy i hadn't seen since the mid 90's and was fitting with so many early era tracks.
  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    I have an idea, start the tour in Seattle, and end it in Seattle, then compare the two crowds.

    Those that live in the NW and go on tour, have to drive a hell of a lot more than those in the east that go to multiple shows. Lack of sleep, and long stretches of driving are very draining.
    rival. wrote:
    i don't have a dog in this fight because i will never judge a crowd at a show i have never attended, but a question for seattle residents...

    is pearl jam looked upon as that popular high school kid that never left town, never moved after graduating and growing up? you just kind of get so used to seeing them in and around the city (small city) after being a band for 20+ years it's hard for non-hardcore fans/residents to really get excited about them anymore?

    they just kind of become... there

    any thoughts or opinions?

    I don't feel that way, I always appreciate a chance to see them, but I was a bit offended that they did not do their 20th celebration at the Gorge.

    Wouldn't say Seattle is a 'small city' at just over half a million. Being a Seattle native, I grew up with the attitude of Seattle being more of 'the loner child' type of city, we do our own thing, because we like it, we didn't want to become 'the next big thing', we liked being a 'secret gem' type of city. When we got voted 'most liveable city' back in the late 80s and everybody started moving here, it lost a bit of its charm. So Seattle has settled into a nonchalant type of attitude...well, at least that's how I see it.
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,095
    even the south... It is off the hook.
    Why "even" the south?
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  • SDHSClassof82SDHSClassof82 Seattle Posts: 306
    RKCNDY wrote:
    I grew up with the attitude of Seattle being more of 'the loner child' type of city, we do our own thing, because we like it, we didn't want to become 'the next big thing',

    I think that's the key right there - individualism is very strong here. I don't know why that translates into raucous sports crowds and mellow concert crowds. Generally in the PNW, forming loud crazy tribes isn't really the thing. More of a solo run in the woods or kayak trip kinda place. I'm fairly new to the area and I'm discovering new things I love about it all the time. I'd say it's still a bit of a secret gem. A lot of people don't even realize it's got a huge gorgeous lake on it eastern side. And the summers, long sun-drenched days, uncrowded waterfront and miles and miles of peaceful hiking trails....uh, nevermind. Rains every day here - all year long - it's miserable. :lol:

    I wouldn't say Pearl Jam is the popular kid that never left town and is taken for granted. From what I hear, their initial huge success and ambition was met with a lot ridicule locally. Now I'd say they've earned respect with their years of hard work and humility. Their support of local organizations is widely recognized and appreciated. I've noticed a lot of comments about them in The Stranger or PI start out: "Well I've never been a huge Pearl Jam fan, but they did a pretty awesome job on......."
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  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    RKCNDY wrote:
    I grew up with the attitude of Seattle being more of 'the loner child' type of city, we do our own thing, because we like it, we didn't want to become 'the next big thing',

    I think that's the key right there - individualism is very strong here. I don't know why that translates into raucous sports crowds and mellow concert crowds. Generally in the PNW, forming loud crazy tribes isn't really the thing. More of a solo run in the woods or kayak trip kinda place. I'm fairly new to the area and I'm discovering new things I love about it all the time. I'd say it's still a bit of a secret gem. A lot of people don't even realize it's got a huge gorgeous lake on it eastern side. And the summers, long sun-drenched days, uncrowded waterfront and miles and miles of peaceful hiking trails....uh, nevermind. Rains every day here - all year long - it's miserable. :lol:

    I wouldn't say Pearl Jam is the popular kid that never left town and is taken for granted. From what I hear, their initial huge success and ambition was met with a lot ridicule locally. Now I'd say they've earned respect with their years of hard work and humility. Their support of local organizations is widely recognized and appreciated. I've noticed a lot of comments about them in The Stranger or PI start out: "Well I've never been a huge Pearl Jam fan, but they did a pretty awesome job on......."

    ahh...you 'get it'! Nobody will ever really truly understand what it's like to live here or understand the residents until you really spend time to immerse yourself here. We love the city, we love the things here and have a passion, we just aren't as forward or obvious about it. :)
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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    rival. wrote:
    i don't have a dog in this fight because i will never judge a crowd at a show i have never attended, but a question for seattle residents...

    is pearl jam looked upon as that popular high school kid that never left town, never moved after graduating and growing up? you just kind of get so used to seeing them in and around the city (small city) after being a band for 20+ years it's hard for non-hardcore fans/residents to really get excited about them anymore?

    they just kind of become... there

    any thoughts or opinions?
    A couple of things. Like SDHSClassof82 stated the individualism is strong out here and honestly the whole "Grunge" scene has came and went.

    With the sports teams, they've been so shitty for so long and everybody here loves the Seahawks. Also the Hawks are peaking which is why the crowd is loud and there is a bright future for the team.

    Go to a Mariners game and you can hear a pin drop :)

    Plus tastes and things change. Look at the Seattle Pearl Jam crowd, I don't think I saw more than a handful of people that are under 25 years of age.

    The music tastes here have morphed into Macklemore, MadRad, Kurt Vile, Lumineers, and EDM. Face it, PJ isn't as popular with the mainstream as they used to be.
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  • GR8DaneGR8Dane Posts: 957
    How can it be Seattle's fault when it all these people fly in for the show?

    Wasn't most of GA 10Club members?

    :nono:

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    But I will say it was one of the better Seattle crowds of late.
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  • hometown crowds aren't the best crowds unless the band/act/team are new to the success racket. the watchmen were huge in winnipeg in the 90's. now they play a free show before a Bomber game and you barely get a few hundred there. it's the same old shit. "aw, seen em a thousand times already, why bother?".
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  • thefixer9thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    I thought the Seattle crowd was great. End of story.
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  • I kind of agree to a point....the building was only 80% or so filled. Now granted there are a ton of people from out of town, but that begs the question why didn't all the locals scoop up all the tickets? It's an interesting thought and I know that there were some weather issues down around Portland which kept some people from making it, so I can't blame those folks who were unable to get there.

    I wouldn't say the crowd was bad, but it just wasn't anything super-loud or really memorable. But going into the show I thought that it would be a world-class crowd seeing them in their hometown. I definitely plan on going back to Seattle because it's an absolute blast with a ton to do, but I don't think I will go out of my way to plan a PJ trip there, that's all. So I do see where you are coming from.
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  • SDHSClassof82SDHSClassof82 Seattle Posts: 306
    Now granted there are a ton of people from out of town, but that begs the question why didn't all the locals scoop up all the tickets? /quote]

    Locals don't have any advantage over anyone else in buying tickets. Same chance in 10C lottery or online / phone with Ticketmaster.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    TravAaron wrote:
    THE INFLATED TICKET PRICES ARE THE CAUSE OF THIS..
    WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY OUTRAGEOUS PRICES FOR DECENT SEATS
    ITS HARD TO BE ENERGETIC FROM BEHIND THE STAGE (this is where i was)

    thank you for letting me vent
    enjoyed the setlist for the 12/6 show

    this...i am with you. $100+ a ticket is ridickerous.
  • vaggar99 wrote:
    TravAaron wrote:
    THE INFLATED TICKET PRICES ARE THE CAUSE OF THIS..
    WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY OUTRAGEOUS PRICES FOR DECENT SEATS
    ITS HARD TO BE ENERGETIC FROM BEHIND THE STAGE (this is where i was)

    thank you for letting me vent
    enjoyed the setlist for the 12/6 show

    this...i am with you. $100+ a ticket is ridickerous.

    No. No it's not. Big time band that plays for 3 plus hours is very reasonable. They would have sold out charging $150- be thankful they didn't.
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  • The ticket prices are completely normal for any act of PJ's stature, I am with you ThirtyBillsUnpaid
  • CAVSTARR313CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    I sat behind the stage (2nd to last row in the whole place) and had a fucking blast! Good, energetic folks all around us.. It was really hard to judge the rest of the crowd from way up there, but it seemed good..

    but if some think the crowd was lame,

    there are factors that need to be factored in..

    Many people traveled for this one.. for some it was the last show on a string of shows.. If we were all 20 years old, this may not matter. but for 30+ 40+ 50+, traveling can wipe you out.

    For me, I worked all day thursday. Then hopped on a plane to Denver, and then one to Seattle. We got to the hotel at 1am PST.. which was 4am for my bodies clock (EST). We woke early on friday because we were excited to be in Seattle and being able to see another PJ show... Band took the stage after 8 PST (11 EST) and played 37 songs..
    We gave it all we had, but I would be lying if I said we weren't tired during the show.. We danced and sang every song, but still..
    I think many folks were tired, wiped out from being on the road. Previous shows or not.

    I think this is why Philly 1 was better than Philly 2.. Lots of the same faces, everyone just blew their wad on night one
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  • Caveeze wrote:
    I sat behind the stage (2nd to last row in the whole place) and had a fucking blast! Good, energetic folks all around us.. It was really hard to judge the rest of the crowd from way up there, but it seemed good..

    but if some think the crowd was lame,

    there are factors that need to be factored in..

    Many people traveled for this one.. for some it was the last show on a string of shows.. If we were all 20 years old, this may not matter. but for 30+ 40+ 50+, traveling can wipe you out.

    For me, I worked all day thursday. Then hopped on a plane to Denver, and then one to Seattle. We got to the hotel at 1am PST.. which was 4am for my bodies clock (EST). We woke early on friday because we were excited to be in Seattle and being able to see another PJ show... Band took the stage after 8 PST (11 EST) and played 37 songs..
    We gave it all we had, but I would be lying if I said we weren't tired during the show.. We danced and sang every song, but still..
    I think many folks were tired, wiped out from being on the road. Previous shows or not.

    I think this is why Philly 1 was better than Philly 2.. Lots of the same faces, everyone just blew their wad on night one
    this is very true..when u do alot of shows,the last one is the one u feel more tired..at euro 10 at lisbon,i could barely walk even before the show,my ears was fuckin pain after so many flight in 3 weeks in the row,and after the show i want to fuckin sleep for 3 days,but i had to go to airport to get the flight home
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  • Now granted there are a ton of people from out of town, but that begs the question why didn't all the locals scoop up all the tickets? /quote]

    Locals don't have any advantage over anyone else in buying tickets. Same chance in 10C lottery or online / phone with Ticketmaster.


    Yeah but all the tickets that companies, local businesses, local connections....the same with any other city, there are tons of those as well. I know that everyone has the same chance but it's still easier for someone living around the corner to buy a ticket on Stubhub for $150 and take a $10 cab ride over while others fly from other countries or from the east coast. I was just surprised there weren't more locals at the show. Didn't affect the show for me at all, just an observation.
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  • amethgr8amethgr8 Posts: 766
    I don't see why to compare the shows. They are all very individual. That's one of the beauty's of PJ, they are not cookie cutter and each an individual experience. If you were lucky enough to see more than one show on the tour, you got to tour with them, make the progression with them.

    There were two shows where the venue didn't have Miller lite beer. My hubby was bummed. Really? That's fine for him he can feel the way he wants, as anybody can about the beer, crowd, set list, etc. how far do you need to breakdown a rock concert. I decided before I went it that I would have nothing but a great time. And I did. We did.

    Really tho, for the sing along songs I thought the crowd was so loud it was tough to hear Ed at times.

    I couldn't take my eyes off the stage. I guess I'm fortunate.

    Why such strong, across the board judgement such a big shows, so many variables with the band and audience. You look back on the show and the best memory, good or bad, is about the crowd?

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  • The ticket prices are completely normal for any act of PJ's stature, I am with you ThirtyBillsUnpaid

    Then here's to you and me! :D
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  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,399
    I think a lot of people had expectations that were out of proportion for this show. Yes, I would have loved to see more "rarities". Yes, I would have loved to be in GA rather than in the shittiest seats I ever was at a show. Was it the best show I have ever been at? No. But I had a fantastic time. For anybody who says the crowd was lame - you should have been behind the stage in the 200's. We were all rocking our asses off! Just being able to see this band that is so special to me in their hometown was an amazing experience. Everything around it - meeting old and new friends, seeing the city, walking around and suddenly seeing "landmarks" for a PJ fan made this whole weekend magical. It was not just about the show for me, I felt like a circle completed. My teenage self and I shook hands and were taking it all in with a silly huge smile on our face.
    I sometimes have the feeling that "Seattle was so lame" is something that people feel compelled to say after a PJ Seattle show. I don't know what this is all about, but I don't feel that way. It was a wonderful show to end an amazing tour. I am sad it is all over now. This was the first time I went to see them several times on a tour, and I had the most wonderful time of my life. I miss everyone already.

    I hope new dates will be announced soon, and I hope I can manage to attend one or two ...
  • The ticket prices are completely normal for any act of PJ's stature, I am with you ThirtyBillsUnpaid

    Then here's to you and me! :D

    I think that for bands of their size and popularity, PJ, Phish and Bruce all charge wayyy less than what they could charge. The most bang for your buck with these bands because you are world class performers for 3 or 3+ hours of different material every show. They could all charge over $100 and get the same results of sold out shows and I love the fact that they still keep it low.
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  • The ticket prices are completely normal for any act of PJ's stature, I am with you ThirtyBillsUnpaid

    Then here's to you and me! :D

    I think that for bands of their size and popularity, PJ, Phish and Bruce all charge wayyy less than what they could charge. The most bang for your buck with these bands because you are world class performers for 3 or 3+ hours of different material every show. They could all charge over $100 and get the same results of sold out shows and I love the fact that they still keep it low.

    Can we also mention that the tickets themselves are only like $65, and then like 30 bucks in damn fees. Ugh.
  • wall232wall232 New York Posts: 1,346
    I think a lot of people had expectations that were out of proportion for this show. Yes, I would have loved to see more "rarities". Yes, I would have loved to be in GA rather than in the shittiest seats I ever was at a show. Was it the best show I have ever been at? No. But I had a fantastic time. For anybody who says the crowd was lame - you should have been behind the stage in the 200's. We were all rocking our asses off! Just being able to see this band that is so special to me in their hometown was an amazing experience. Everything around it - meeting old and new friends, seeing the city, walking around and suddenly seeing "landmarks" for a PJ fan made this whole weekend magical. It was not just about the show for me, I felt like a circle completed. My teenage self and I shook hands and were taking it all in with a silly huge smile on our face.
    I sometimes have the feeling that "Seattle was so lame" is something that people feel compelled to say after a PJ Seattle show. I don't know what this is all about, but I don't feel that way. It was a wonderful show to end an amazing tour. I am sad it is all over now. This was the first time I went to see them several times on a tour, and I had the most wonderful time of my life. I miss everyone already.

    I hope new dates will be announced soon, and I hope I can manage to attend one or two ...

    My wife and I were lucky enough to see a few shows on this tour, as well as being in Chicago. We both really enjoyed ourselves at this show and thought the crowd was on fire in the back of the stage, and looking out across the stadium the crowd was into it. I can’t see how anyone thinks the crowd was "lame". Yes, I know it was mentioned at the show, but it really wasn’t that bad.

    I think there are people out there that feel a Seattle crowd has to be a certain way and if they don’t meet their standards than they are considered lame.

    We had a great time in Seattle; going to so many of the places where this all began was amazing for us. We will gladly go back and see them play here any day of the week!

    Thank you to Pearl Jam for an amazing tour and thank you to all the wonderful fans we meet over the past few months. Your guys, yes even the ones that complain, are all awesome!
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