Pearl jame gives and gives- Seattle crowd shows no respect.

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  • lina319 wrote:
    I was sitting 2nd row up on the wings Stone's side right in front of the 'special guest and his friends'. I don't understand these threads..I was rockin' out and going nuts...people in front and all around me were going nuts, GA folks looked on fire especially in front on Mike's side....when the lights came on the ENTIRE ARENA from floor all the way to the roof was on their feet going nuts....during porch and alive the arena went crazy....during better man everyone was going crazy....and more and more....I don't get all this hate this show is getting...it was one of the best sets and shows of the tour...the band was on fire and full of energy and the crows was not bad from my point of view...it's frustrating that this band gets taken for granted and some feel so ENTITLED....just enjoy the show, the band, the fans, the experience....I am still numb and so glad I was able to come all the way to the opposite coast for this....thanks for reading. :)
    Word... I was 2nd off the GA rail by Mike/Jeff. The people behind the stage were often on their feet, and the few times I looked behind, usually during a killer song like Porch, the whole arena was going NUTS. I remember being impressed that even the seats in the back rafters were jumping around like maniacs. I mean... if I'm a dick for not crowd surfing during Nothingman or Crown of Thorns, so be it, but I have trouble believing that the opening poster was at the same show as I. And that "lame" 2nd encore... yeah... the crowd's lack of exuberance totally ruined it for Mike during Alive :roll: And Kim Thayil (who I spotted backstage and glanced at several times from the start of that encore) had to be dragged onstage because of how disappointed he was with things up to that point :roll: :lol:

    You buggered up the quote feature.

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  • :oops: Fixed in original post.

    no problems either way.

    just mentioned for clarity's sake!
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  • SZ303389SZ303389 Posts: 453
    ruggs1996 wrote:
    Honestly I was not at the Seattle show but I was at BKN 1, BKN 2, and Philly 2. I was showing my mom (not a PJ fan) the video of Eddie on the light during Porch in Seattle. She was saying I can't even hear the crowd and she was noticing how no one in the crowd was going nuts. She was like "I thought you said the crowd goes nuts". Then I showed her videos of Porch and Release from BKN and she was like wow thats a crowd. That's when you know people.... This band should have ended this tour in NY. MSG 2 might have been the greatest tour end ever and maybe the best show ever too.

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  • SZ303389SZ303389 Posts: 453
    If you hate seattle crowds so much stay home! We don't need you, we love Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam loves us and if you don't like how we do things in Seattle thats your problem not ours! Happy Holidays :)

    ed hates seattle crowds by the way :lol:
    he all but admitted it in BC
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  • its normal the little jealousy same as the hype for the bands hometown..i totally get it!
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  • If you hate seattle crowds so much stay home! We don't need you, we love Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam loves us and if you don't like how we do things in Seattle thats your problem not ours!

    Right you are, neighbor. An engaged, appreciative crowd can take many forms. Bugs me when a crowd is called lame because not everyone is pogoing and screaming. I really think some of the east coasters don't understand the west coast vibe.

    I was behind the stage. Went on my own, but within 4 or 5 songs I had strangers arms around me, singing along every song, dancing, loving every minute. Nothing like a hometown show! Welcome back guys--- THANK YOU. See you around.

    I was behind the stage as well totally rocked!!!
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  • CharliePCharlieP Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 1,035
    In Columbus, 2010, Ed joked about the band becoming an organized religion. (I think it was National Prayer Day.) The band could then enjoy all the perks/tax exemptions therein.

    To that end, this discourse on Seattle crowds at Pearl Jam shows reminds me of a scripture verse (with apologies to the Seattle fans that bring great enthusiasm to every Pearl Jam show):

    "And He said, 'Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown."

    Luke 4:24

    (This will be my last religious post of the night, I promise.)

    I hear you. It´s harder to get recognition among your own. Always has been

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  • if the crowd action/inaction at a show ruins the experience for you, maybe you need to find a new type of experience.
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    if the crowd action/inaction at a show ruins the experience for you, maybe you need to find a new type of experience.

    The crowd is part of the concert experience.

    It can also be hard to feel part of a concert when people all around you are sitting down or keep asking you to move while they are leaving and entering your row so they can get more beer and food while your trying to get into the music. Also, it was just such a big difference from the last few concerts I've seen (not just PJ). Eddie even mentioned something about the crowd. I haven't read the whole thread, but here is my opinion on it. This is the worst crowd I've seen at a PJ show or any concert in a long time. This is just the opinion based on my section, the overall crowd noise, seeing the pit, and other factors. You don't have to agree but that is my observation and opinion. I think the band may have sensed that since they replaced 2 deep cuts on the setlist for 2 casual crowd favorites. I also had great seats on the lower wings - Mike's side - and noticed a lot of people with comped tickets (they had stickers on their shirts) around me. These people were not into the show at all and spent a lot of time sitting, talking, texting, and just taking pictures of themselves. It's pretty much impossible not to notice these things.
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  • Again... I feel like we're discussing 2 different shows. Being '2nd row' GA by Jeff/Mike, it seemed like everyone was into it and grooving. LOTS of singalong... arms in air... overall enthusiasm. I can't speak about further back in the pit, or over by Stone, but we were definitely into it, and there was little doubt that Mike was feeling us. Keep in mind that any perceived lack of interest from our section might be because those who were further away confused our UTTER AWE with indifference... I can see how it might be hard to differentiate from a distance ;)
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    brsnyder wrote:
    There's a reason the band lives in Seattle, a place where they can walk to the store and be treated like a normal person...

    They would probably get that in Brooklyn too....

    Right you are, neighbor. An engaged, appreciative crowd can take many forms. Bugs me when a crowd is called lame because not everyone is pogoing and screaming. I really think some of the east coasters don't understand the west coast vibe.

    In all fairness, that is probably true. When I have to call corporate headquarters in California, for my franchise, sometimes it feels like I"m speaking to people from another planet they are so laid back. I don't think we on the east coast do laid-back very well, so for the non-Seattle-ites at the show, maybe they just didn't get that the crowd enjoys differently than they do.
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    By Corbin Reiff
    December 7, 2013 1:28 PM ET
    Seattle rockers Pearl Jam closed out the North American leg of their Lightning Bolt tour last night with a performance for the ages. It had been over four years since the band last staged a concert in their hometown, and the city’s patience was more than rewarded with a three hour and fifteen minute marathon of hits, deep cuts and covers.

    The show kicked off properly with the brooding track "Pendulum" from the band’s latest record, followed by the one-two punch of Vitalogy songs "Nothingman" and "Corduroy." As coincidence would have it, the night of the show fell on the nineteenth anniversary of that record’s release, though the fact went unacknowledged by the group. From there the band bobbed and weaved their way through their back-catalog to the unwavering delight of the sold-out Key Arena crowd.


    The fivesome seemed quite pleased to be back on their home turf, which added to the convivial feeling of the evening overall. Lead singer Eddie Vedder took many opportunities throughout the night to tip a half-empty bottle of red wine to various local fixtures including Easy Street Records, KEXP, and the sorely missed Supersonics – "wouldn’t this building be a great place for a basketball team?" he deadpanned. Vedder even deigned to take a playful jab at fellow Seattle chart toppers Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, jokingly shouting "fuck you" when he discovered the duo had sold out three consecutive dates of the same venue in the days following the band's own show.

    As expected, a good deal of Lightning Bolt material made its way into the setlist with "Mind Your Manners," "Sirens," and the title track garnering the most acclaim. The more obscure numbers the band chose to tackle included a take on the track "Breath," which originally had been recorded for the soundtrack to the Cameron Crowe film Singles. This was in addition to a solo Vedder cover of the Velvet Underground’s "After Hours" (played in tribute to that group's recently departed frontman, Lou Reed) and a timely performance of the little-known Christmas single "Let Me Sleep."

    The energy inside the packed arena really came to a head, however, when the group busted out a succession of their more renowned hits, among which numbered superb takes of "Better Man," "Alive," "Rearviewmirror," "Black," and "Daughter." Indeed, the earthshaking force of the crowd’s response to these songs led Vedder to wonder aloud if he had mistakenly wandered into a Seahawks home game.

    As always happens with a Pearl Jam concert, the music itself was absolutely on point. Time and again, lead guitarist Mike McCready dazzled the audience with bombastic displays of guitar virtuosity, going so far as to play the solo to "Even Flow" behind his back. Vedder’s voice has never sounded better, even with the massive demands placed upon it, and the trio of rhythm guitarist Stone Gossard, drummer Matt Cameron and bassist Jeff Ament continue to be the steady driving force and heartbeat of the band throughout any given show.

    The evening drew to a close with the invitation of Steve Turner and Mark Arm of Mudhoney as well as Soundgarden guitarist Kim Thayil onstage for a searing all-Seattle performance of the MC5 classic "Kick Out The Jams," after which McCready, at the urging of Arm, let loose with an incendiary take on Eddie Van Halen’s finger-tapping opus "Eruption." The guests departed soon thereafter and the band let loose with a meandering version of "Yellow Ledbetter," to finish things off. It was an evening that will go down in Seattle lore, and a well-seized opportunity for Pearl Jam to close out their tour on a high note.
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  • Better Dan wrote:
    if the crowd action/inaction at a show ruins the experience for you, maybe you need to find a new type of experience.

    The crowd is part of the concert experience.

    It can also be hard to feel part of a concert when people all around you are sitting down or keep asking you to move while they are leaving and entering your row so they can get more beer and food while your trying to get into the music. Also, it was just such a big difference from the last few concerts I've seen (not just PJ). Eddie even mentioned something about the crowd. I haven't read the whole thread, but here is my opinion on it. This is the worst crowd I've seen at a PJ show or any concert in a long time. This is just the opinion based on my section, the overall crowd noise, seeing the pit, and other factors. You don't have to agree but that is my observation and opinion. I think the band may have sensed that since they replaced 2 deep cuts on the setlist for 2 casual crowd favorites. I also had great seats on the lower wings - Mike's side - and noticed a lot of people with comped tickets (they had stickers on their shirts) around me. These people were not into the show at all and spent a lot of time sitting, talking, texting, and just taking pictures of themselves. It's pretty much impossible not to notice these things.

    the crowd is only as much of the experience as you let it be. that being said, yes, people coming and going constantly moving by you is a complete distraction and utter annoyance.
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  • SZ303389SZ303389 Posts: 453
    Again... I feel like we're discussing 2 different shows. Being '2nd row' GA by Jeff/Mike, it seemed like everyone was into it and grooving. LOTS of singalong... arms in air... overall enthusiasm. I can't speak about further back in the pit, or over by Stone, but we were definitely into it, and there was little doubt that Mike was feeling us. Keep in mind that any perceived lack of interest from our section might be because those who were further away confused our UTTER AWE with indifference... I can see how it might be hard to differentiate from a distance ;)

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  • SZ303389SZ303389 Posts: 453
    Better Dan wrote:
    if the crowd action/inaction at a show ruins the experience for you, maybe you need to find a new type of experience.

    The crowd is part of the concert experience.

    It can also be hard to feel part of a concert when people all around you are sitting down or keep asking you to move while they are leaving and entering your row so they can get more beer and food while your trying to get into the music. Also, it was just such a big difference from the last few concerts I've seen (not just PJ). Eddie even mentioned something about the crowd. I haven't read the whole thread, but here is my opinion on it. This is the worst crowd I've seen at a PJ show or any concert in a long time. This is just the opinion based on my section, the overall crowd noise, seeing the pit, and other factors. You don't have to agree but that is my observation and opinion. I think the band may have sensed that since they replaced 2 deep cuts on the setlist for 2 casual crowd favorites. I also had great seats on the lower wings - Mike's side - and noticed a lot of people with comped tickets (they had stickers on their shirts) around me. These people were not into the show at all and spent a lot of time sitting, talking, texting, and just taking pictures of themselves. It's pretty much impossible not to notice these things.

    true, most ppl seemed to have stumbled into the wrong venue, or were too strung out on heroin. its not the pot in seattle, its the heroin.
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    seattle's dirty little secret is heroin btw, snap out of it seattle, you aren't that cool
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  • YefaYefa Posts: 1,133
    dwhite76 wrote:
    From what I hear the people in GA didnt thaw out till the 2nd encore. I mean come on they were sitting out in 25 degree weather since 5 am.

    Im sure they did just fine after being awake for 20 straight hours and freezing all day.

    For the life of me... I can't understand the mentality that motivates someone to do this?

    Scenario 1:
    GA ticket holder freezes ass off. Gets tense in line as line monitors police an informal numbering system and some try to circumvent unofficial system. Waits anxiously as line begins to move into venue. Races to rail upon entry. Gets angry as more people squeeze against rail. Experiences disappointment when tambourine is not handed to them. Sad when person beside them gets wine and they are offered none (am I ugly?). Sees show 6 feet from stage.

    Scenario 2:
    GA ticket holder goes for Mexican food and margaritas with friends before show. Arrives at 7:30 as Mudhoney begins to play. Enters without any wait in line. Checks on the floor and discovers plenty of room. Grabs a beer and sits in some available seats to have a drink and watch Mudhoney. Grabs another beer and heads to floor securing a place to watch 20 feet from stage.

    It seems a no-brainer to me, but obviously some feel differently.
    It strikes me as rather comical that some 10C members think there's only one way to enjoy GA. I will copy/paste my post from another thread. Note how different my experiences were and that I had a great time at BOTH shows on the tour where I had GA. :D

    I had GA for Worcester 2 and Seattle on this tour. I didn't try for the rail in Worcester. I was 10 people from the rail in front of Jeff & had a great time. My friend (who lives in the Seattle area) and I decided to line up early to get close for Seattle. I was a bit concerned about "the list" because of the stories I had read here about people getting great list numbers then enjoying the city and coming back an hour before doors to their old spot in line. I can say that didn't happen in Seattle. There were line checks at specific times (which were announced to all who were there) so all would know when the next one was. If you missed 1 line check you no longer had a number & had to get a new (worse) one if you so chose to get a number again. Here is when the line checks were held: 6am, 9am, 11:30am, 2pm, 4pm, 5pm. As you can see, it would be impossible to go enjoy the tourist sites of Seattle & make it back for the next line check. People were looking out for each other. Donuts and (lots of) coffee were bought for sharing with other fans. I met awesome fans from (among other places) Brazil, Italy, Australia, Canada, Rhode Island, Denver, Ohio, and NYC. I caught up with friends from Chicago I had met on the 1st leg. When it was time to go inside the Key we were walked in. I had the rail between an Italian man and a Brazilian woman. This was my 58th PJ show and my first time on the rail. It was a memorable experience not only for the show (which I loved) but also for the people I shared it with. If GA can be run this way for future USA/Canada shows, then I think it can not only continue but flourish.
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  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    Do people want just a snake pit of writhing bodies making constant loud noise for it to be a "good crowd"? I'm kind of confused what traits make a crowd good or bad.
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  • KV4053KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,504
    I dont understand. I was at both Vancouver (sec 119) and Seattle (GA) and thought they were equal in terms of energy.

    What am I missing?

    PJ draws an older crowd in the US compared to the crowds I have seen in So America from what I can tell so that may be a legit issue depending on what your benchmark is
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  • dwhite76 wrote:
    From what I hear the people in GA didnt thaw out till the 2nd encore. I mean come on they were sitting out in 25 degree weather since 5 am.

    Im sure they did just fine after being awake for 20 straight hours and freezing all day.

    For the life of me... I can't understand the mentality that motivates someone to do this?

    Scenario 1:
    GA ticket holder freezes ass off. Gets tense in line as line monitors police an informal numbering system and some try to circumvent unofficial system. Waits anxiously as line begins to move into venue. Races to rail upon entry. Gets angry as more people squeeze against rail. Experiences disappointment when tambourine is not handed to them. Sad when person beside them gets wine and they are offered none (am I ugly?). Sees show 6 feet from stage.

    Scenario 2:
    GA ticket holder goes for Mexican food and margaritas with friends before show. Arrives at 7:30 as Mudhoney begins to play. Enters without any wait in line. Checks on the floor and discovers plenty of room. Grabs a beer and sits in some available seats to have a drink and watch Mudhoney. Grabs another beer and heads to floor securing a place to watch 20 feet from stage.

    It seems a no-brainer to me, but obviously some feel differently.

    FYI...Eating Mexican Food before joining your fellow man in the pit for 3 hours is a MAJOR party foul

    :cry:
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I was at the show , and it started out great, but the crowd was so lame.
    They offered up n energy or support for the fucking home town band that sells out touring the world!
    All the other cities celebrate and embrace the home town heros..ex bruce, lame ass bon jovi, billy joel, list goes on an on. For all the charity work and support this fucking band gives to seattle...they get nothing in return.
    I will never fly out here for a show again...
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  • A good portion of the attendants were people from out of town, so don't pin it all on us Seattle natives. Seattlites tend to be a bit docile when it comes to crowd energy I will give you that, but it wasn't all us. Plus, the seats I was at were fine, people were just as pumped and excited as I was and we were all singing along. We had good energy. Eddie probably asked the crowd to wake up because it was past midnight. That is kind of late for most people.

    Please stop bitching about Seattle crowds, its bloody annoying. I just want my Seattle bootleg already.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    thefin190 wrote:
    A good portion of the attendants were people from out of town, so don't pin it all on us Seattle natives. Seattlites tend to be a bit docile when it comes to crowd energy I will give you that, but it wasn't all us. Plus, the seats I was at were fine, people were just as pumped and excited as I was and we were all singing along. We had good energy. Eddie probably asked the crowd to wake up because it was past midnight. That is kind of late for most people.

    Please stop bitching about Seattle crowds, its bloody annoying. I just want my Seattle bootleg already.
    ...
    I'd add... people need to quit worrying about how other people enjoy the show, right?
    If the 'Crowd's Energy' detracts from you having a good time... that's your gig, not the rest of the audience.
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    SZ303389 wrote:
    seattle's dirty little secret is heroin btw, snap out of it seattle, you aren't that cool


    dude... I'm sorry, but you're an ASS. KAT/SEA...PLEASE LOCK THIS FUCKING THREAD
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    ed started all of this. :lol:
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    San Diego is their hometown show. Just saying...
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  • dwhite76 wrote:
    From what I hear the people in GA didnt thaw out till the 2nd encore. I mean come on they were sitting out in 25 degree weather since 5 am.

    Im sure they did just fine after being awake for 20 straight hours and freezing all day.

    For the life of me... I can't understand the mentality that motivates someone to do this?

    Scenario 1:
    GA ticket holder freezes ass off. Gets tense in line as line monitors police an informal numbering system and some try to circumvent unofficial system. Waits anxiously as line begins to move into venue. Races to rail upon entry. Gets angry as more people squeeze against rail. Experiences disappointment when tambourine is not handed to them. Sad when person beside them gets wine and they are offered none (am I ugly?). Sees show 6 feet from stage.

    Scenario 2:
    GA ticket holder goes for Mexican food and margaritas with friends before show. Arrives at 7:30 as Mudhoney begins to play. Enters without any wait in line. Checks on the floor and discovers plenty of room. Grabs a beer and sits in some available seats to have a drink and watch Mudhoney. Grabs another beer and heads to floor securing a place to watch 20 feet from stage.

    It seems a no-brainer to me, but obviously some feel differently.

    FYI...Eating Mexican Food before joining your fellow man in the pit for 3 hours is a MAJOR party foul

    :cry:

    :lol:

    I 'process' mexican food better than that clam shucker from Boston who was crop dusting (I think it was Boston?). You're safe around me.

    But with that said, there are a ton of offensive behaviours that people in pits are going to have to prepare for given the general obscenity human beings are: some people spill their drinks all over; some smoke cigarrettes; some smoke pot; some scream unintelligibly; some sing way off key; some bludgeon their way to the front; and, among an endless list... some fart.

    Which one is worse? Depends on who you talk to.
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